BruceVC

Well if you've been reading my posts you know what I think. Trump is a political neophyte who does not have the temperament, character, the education, or the experience to be a political leader and should not be anywhere near a positions of real power. He seems to have no idea what the President actually does and can't do and has no core philosophy that motivates him and drives his actions. He is wholly ill suited to be President. Hillary Clinton is irredeemably dishonest and thoroughly corrupted. She embodies every negative quality of the cartoon caricature of a bad politician. She will say anything, stoop to any level, kill if needs be to obtain political power. And not to achieve any end in particular, just for it's own sake. She lies without even thinking and then denies ever doing it even when confronted about is. She is wholly ill suited to be President. One of these two will be the next President, God help us, and we will all be damaged by that. Not from them. We've had bad Presidents before. They seldom do lasting harm. But the level of nastiness in the electorate against the folks voting the other way seems worse now than ever before. And the worst part is it is not done in favor of a candidate most of the time but in opposition of the alternative. And neither of these two are worthy of the passion and acrimony this is ginning up. And that is the saddest part of all. GD lets say you had to define which candidate is worse in certain ways Dont you agree you would be more embarrassed as a US citizen under a Trump presidency? As you correctly say " He seems to have no idea what the President actually does" ?

Nothing, Clinton is one of the most qualified and experienced candidates to ever try to win the presidency She is very suitable

This is a very good post and offers some accurate insights, the paragraph below is particularly annoying when people keep repeating it An example in these very threads is the whole "Clinton has laughed at a rape victim" statement, which is easy to debunk, and has been debunked here, but that doesn't everyone and their mother of rolling out that utterly baseless statement again and again.

Nah, the media isnt so bad GD you just need to be selective in what you view and choose to believe, you can always verify stories and reporting perspectives ?

Its awesome, you wont be disappointed and its got brilliant actors like Ed Harris and Anthony Hopkins

Its excellent, I am loving it. It makes me think of those alternative realities where we are also not real and everything we think is real is in fact controlled Anything from HBO is normally good in my books

Links ? You consider it normal for a politician to believe and support something like a campaign around " gay conversion therapy " ?

wait what I meant emaciated, well spotted

Thanks for the kind words, I look back now and I have learnt so much about how you are suppose to help that type of addict. But end of the day a person needs to want to stop heroin and more importantly they need to be booked into a proper rehad ....not a house. And there stay must be mandatory You can blame the Nigerians, in SA the majority of Nigerians are involved in crime and most South Africans want them all deported because they blame them for all the crime But if you go to Nigeria, and we do a lot of work there, you will see they not criminals, they are a intelligent and proud nation but due to decades of government corruption some Nigerians leave NIgeria and commit crimes but they see the crime as business Anyway in SA what happened to Nicole is rare because very few Nigerians sell Herion because it has such a terrible outcome It does happen to be positive I suppose ?

Ah the British. Please don't make us kick your asses a third time. Its a terrible thought, your niece working in the sex industry. The reality is much worse than you can possibly imagine WARNING : Guys I started writing this and I realized I have never written all this down. I had to complete this but this story is not a positive story. Dont read this if you want to have a laugh One of my nieces ended up in the sex industry. Her name was Nicole and she was my favorite by far, she was 10 years younger than me but we got on so well. She was intelligent and kind and sweet and always had time to chat to me for hours . She had these distinctive blue eyes and cared for things that no one else seemed to care about. She always reminded me her older uncle " one day us girls will be truly equal in society...you never known there may even be a female as the leader of the free world " ...and the reality was 12 years ago this was inconceivable and I never considered it possible She experimented with drugs at the normal age 16-18 but it was all innocent, then when she finished school and went to Pretoria to go to Varsity she had a new boyfriend who was 7 years older and a tattoo artist and a real lowlife. She fell for him and he got her into heroine...none of us knew but her life came apart. 8 months later I tried to get her to stop the heroine and leave her scum of a boyfriend who she claimed " really loved her " But the addiction of heroin is inhuman and I had never encountered or understood what I was suppose to do to help her, she dropped out of varsity and even stole from her very wealthy parents to support her habit. Her boyfriend became a drug dealer working for a particular Nigerian syndicate. Her family basically cut her off and everyone avoided her....her mother did say " I will pray for her safety " ....like that helped I have never forgiven her family for how they reacted , I suppose its hard to address this kind of failure I never turned my back on her and tried ineffectively to help her but heroine controls you and it takes everything that resembles your humanity. It wasn't a few months before the inevitable happened, her boyfriend convinced to work for Nigerians as a street hooker ....of course he got free drugs. Over the next 6 months I must have received 10-12 late night phone calls and it was always the same ritual and outcome I would drive into JHB, into the slums where the NIgerians and other criminals lived and find her on some dirty corner crying.. She use to come back to my house and always promised to go to rehad and how this "time she would stop " and after 1-2 days her withdraw symptoms would become too much and she would leave my place, it was always a different excuse " let me see him one more time ". It may seem like I could have forced her to stay but its not like that, the third time I did try force her and physically restrain and she burst into tears and told me " men must never use violence against women " ....she left my house as usual I didnt hear from her for about 6 weeks but I had a friendship with her friend another young heroine addict who had no one caring for her but somehow respected what I was trying to do and told me she was now working in a strip club owned by the Nigerians But this wasnt your normal strip club. this was in the apartments and had no official address. No white person would ever know this place existed. Only the Nigerians, there guests and the girls worked there. It was dark and desolate, this awful techo playing with the odd Nigerian in some corner and maybe 6-8 girls all addicts walking around high on smack and having to service multiple customers. Heroine and HIV were rife They called her I remember and the one guy laughed when I told her I was looking for her, he thought I was a client. Anyway she came up to me, she looked emancipated and she was very thin. She had started spiking by now but yet she was strangely cogent Its weird I have never written this down before but I remember everything she said " Brucie : ) what you doing here " " I have come to take you home., lets go. It doesnt matter about what you have done ...lets go " " you silly billy. You want to take me home. I want to go back to the beach, I want to see Puff the Magic Dragon and hear the sea in the shells ( her family use to sometimes join us for Xmas at our beach cottages and she loved the song Puff. She use to sing it all the time...its ironic and relevant The last time she was at the cottage she was 17 and she was with her friend, neither of them knew the old story that if you place a sea shell against your ear it makes sound like the sea and waves, its just a trick of sound but it does sound like the sea. I told them convincingly it was the sea, Nicole knew I was joking but played along ...shame to this day I think her friend still believes it ) " Can you take me there ? My father wasnt ashamed of me, remember what he said to me " you girls can do anything you want with your lifes " " Dont worry about what your family think, you can get better. Everyone misses you " ( this was true as my family cared ) " oh Brucie, you silly billy. I cant go home, I can never go home ...this is my home now and I cant walk in the light again. I love you and I always will, you never gave up on me and its not your fault. Tell my family Im sorry I embarrassed them. But dont ever come back again, I dont want to see you again " She could see my devastation and utter frustration She smiled and the light returned to her blue eyes " dont be sad, one day a girl will be the leader of the free world ...and we will dance and sing " I left her and got into my car and drove home in a state of misery...this song was playing She OD three weeks later, everyone except her dad was at the funeral. Everyone was so sad yet no one had cared for her the last year, I was appalled by the hypocrisy and since then I dont go to funerals Thats the story, its not all bad because I made several changes to things going forward I have never forgotten that life of how some girls end up on heroin, most hookers dont do Heroin so dont think what I saw is the inevitable outcome for all hookers. I have helped several ladies through the years when relevant and I am always prepared to try to help. Some girls do really leave the sex industry but most women dont need people like me saving them I have learnt you can reason with most addicts on drugs like crystal, coke and even rocks but I walk away from heroin. I am not going to try to help someone who cant be helped, fortunately I have never had another person I loved get hooked on smack You need to get the family involved, it matters to the overall impact I blamed her boyfriend and he got his justice in the end He moved to Cape Town and worked with the Nigerians there until he was directly implicated in this mass murder https://www.theguardian.com/world/2003/jan/21/2 Several people were arrested eventually for this and he was sentanced to 25 years in Pollsmoor prison. This is the worst and hardest prison in SA and is dominated by the coloured gangs, not black but colored, but these gangs are hard core and sexual violence is normal so the thought he would be sodomised on a daily basis made me very happy, watch the videos to see life in pollsmore https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SrkcpEgsqhs https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollsmoor_Prison

This must be the first time you have cracked a really good joke, you normally very serious ...nice one

I understand it may seem upsetting to realize you are insecure about women but this can be fixed and addressed. I am not saying you hate women and you not a misogynist. And you not like Trump I know this because despite all your attempts to undermine any posts I make highlighting sexism you care about your niece for example. Remember when I realized she worked in the sex industry you did defend her....in fact she not have worked there if I recall or you did say she has subsequently left ? But lets be honest, in all the years I have raised any issue around sexism or abuse you have never ever even attempted to support me....not once. Now most members dont necessarily support me but you also constantly say things like " Clinton laughs at rape victims". Its frequent and very inaccurate and does not appear rationale But end of the day you can change this view if you want, you just need to resolve the core issue you have with women. This will be a personal journey, I don't expect you to share it unless you want to ?

I'm not sure if you are on my " gloating " list, we seem to have debates in an open way. I'm not sure how much more I can continue to try to improve your views....its gets draining at times because you make progress but then you make illogical posts Also as I said earlier I firmly believe you have an irrational insecurity about women and gender equality. And until such time as you acknowledge this its makes it difficult to help you see the right perspective

https://www.facebook.com/cnnmoney/videos/10154034240553067/ Guys this video made me feel much better about this election, it really puts things in perspective. Most of us have become bogged down with this election and at times we appear jaded, frustrated or melancholic But we tend to forget there are always a new generation who will be voting for the first time and this election is very exciting and significant for them. It made me realize there are people who just want to be part of this historic election because they care.....no falseness or innuendo... very comforting for the future of the US Also they raise issues in a candid and sincere way, how come we dont seem to be able to do that at times ? Now yes these girls are only 18 so lets not be captious, they still have good insights Watch the video, you can skip the singing in the beginning as I found it annoying but watch from 2 minutes....also they sing the US antham at the end, very emotional and real

I don't believe I've ever said a positive thing about Trump. Well this is the best answer you could have made because you must have been joking then when I asked you several months ago but you did say you supported Trump And it was a shock as at times you have deep views on SJ and I hate to think of anyone as a hypocrite....and considering your general view on equality in the world how could you seriously support Trump and not be a complete contradiction

You know the best part about a Trump win would be all the crow Bruce will have to eat. He's better chew it good! GD Okay we all adults here, I wont lie to you. As you know I am very frustrated by the lack of support for Hillary from this forum from the actual US members. I have tried to use logic, honesty, persuasion, reasonableness, patriotism, fear-mongering and its basically been ignored And I blame myself for not explaining the reality of why the US really doesnt need 4 years of Trump And I promise you this has nothing to do with me being " right ", this is about the next 4 years and what is the best political situation for the US so I mean well Anyway there are some forum members, not you, who I will definitely be gloating over if Hillary wins....so I have no issue with anyone doing the same to me if Trump wins But can you think of just one compelling reason why Trump deserves to be president ?

You can basically read this thread on autopilot. "According to pol some sources Clinton has admitted she'll be abolishing income tax and replacing it with racial serfdom". "We just need to go out and vote third party then our broken 2 party system might be able to fix itself by 2020" "x IS A SJW NAZI SCUM. IF YUO SUPPORT x YOU SUPPOPRT RAPE AND EVIL. PERIOD" "c'mon guys you can't really hold this horrible thing Clinton has done against her?? surely you no shes sorry and dont wont trump to winn right?? (◕ᴗ◕✿) "Bourgeois democracy is a sham we're all doomed". Etc. I'm sure I dont agree with this post but I'm not sure what you saying, please can you respond in simple English to these questions What " horrible thing " has Clinton done? Yes we dont want Trump to win, I know you support him but what is one reason you actually want Trump to win? What do you mean by "Bourgeois democracy ?

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If my intention was to post scandals around Trump I could literally post something critical about him every 2-3 hours, he is a much bigger target But unlike you Im not obsessed with Trump, he is simply an embarrassment to the USA and I want him to lose the election volo I have mentioned this numerous times to you before, its okay you will be fine. Women are your equal, not your automatic better....no need to feel insecure

No, this is just another example of the constant obsession you guys have with feeling the need to highlight any possible " issue" that gets directed at Clinton....surly you cant be this concerned with such trivial perspectives ? Relax bro, we're not going to steal your love for her. But guys seriously.....do you really think this constant scrutiny of her is rational or normal ? Please consider my question as constructive

My best friend who immigrated to Oz 18 months ago is back in SA for 1 month so we had an awesome reunion party today at a really festive restaurant ...loads of shooters, laughs and good food. It was great to see him and his wife again, I'll be seeing lots of them over the next 4 weeks

No, this is just another example of the constant obsession you guys have with feeling the need to highlight any possible " issue" that gets directed at Clinton....surly you cant be this concerned with such trivial perspectives ?

volo I dont hate men? Why would you think that...we just need to acknowledge some societal realities like there is rampant abuse of women and children in different levels of society and most of the times these crimes are committed by men. So lets not deny this ...abuse is a problem in society and the groups that are the greatest target of this are women and children

I am a very reasonable person and I firmly believe in a more fair and equitable society Hillary Clinton flaws and the negative views some people have of her pale in comparison to the numerous issues I have with Trump Trump is a disgrace and a hypocrite. He panders to a pointless dream of what " makes the USA great ", this dream will never be realized even if he becomes president. This dream of his involves bigotry and a negative narrative of what defines the USA I absolutely support Hilary for a number of reasons but one of the main ones is she says things " lets make the USA great together " . She is also honest about the current state of the USA, its really not that bad so I support a more positive and constructive view of the future that the Democrats espouse

This is why my biggest outrage with this election is the media corruption and why I'm quicker to condemn Clinton than Trump. Screwing with the media extends BEYOND the election cycle and ruins any sense of trust there was. It creates doubt and discourages people from trusting any news or even bothering with watching. Had I been that woman...? I would've purposefully saved my accusations til after the election if I wished to be taken seriously, for that exact reason. It has nothing to do with people doubting Trump is capable of such a thing and everything to do with people doubting the media even more. Now it's just sex scandal #7 that they doubt, but in the future it could be much more serious topics that are disputed. Guys I absolutely believe these types of accusations, there is real precedent and Trump has offended women on numerous occasions Because of the actual comments Trump has made I have taken a certain stance when any women accuses Trump "guilty until proven innocent " And at the same time you refuse to accept anything negative about Hillary Clinton as being true despite the fact there is a long history and tons of evidence that is not just "he said she said" Sorry Bruce, credibility = 0 GD !!! Thats rude, you know in the 18th century this comment would be considered an attack on my integrity. I would have been insulted and I would have demanded satisfaction ....we would have met for a duel tomorrow morning at 6 am!!