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I'll have to play it then, if I find the chance.

Excellent choices (I can't believe I forgot DK1 & 2)

I never got to play this one, but heard it was great*It looks it. _______________________________________ More games... I forgot Painkiller Arcanum and Portal Also... (though they are ancient) I rather liked the Realms of Arkania series (and the Gold Box games from SSI, and the Eye of the Beholder series) _______________________________________ This looks interesting http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EHzHoMT5eRg...feature=related

Surely he died four years later.

Fallout series Baldur's Gate series Icewind Dale series Planescape:Torment the Witcher Lands of Lore series Serious Sam series Jedi Academy Prince of Persia (the original) Prince of Persia:Sands of time Blood (and just about any other Build engine Game) Armed and Dangerous Sacrifice Temple of Elemental Evil Psychonauts Dawn of War (and expansions) Ground Control series Vampire series (masquerade and Bloodlines) Epic Pinball (the Cyborgirl table)

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Not only Arcanum, but this would have [likely] had it too And has the best D&D based TB combat to date (that I have seen).

Oh I disagree. FO could have been like Stonekeep (which I liked), could have been like 'Die By The Sword' (which I also liked), but they designed it the way they wanted, to suit their goals... and they even designed Arcanum that way years later; *Edit:for clarity* the upcoming Diablo3 has the same art director as Fallout (though its not technically ISO ~and of course not TB). (We're lucky it wasn't like the last link in my SIG. ) They actually stripped Fallout down a bit after the loss of the GURPS license... FO used to have 14 targets on the aimed shot. The chief aspect was the combat system, everything else followed. I would love a 3d/'rotatable' FO3 or 4 (perspective like the Witcher or DoW), that was TB during combat and otherwise basically FO:NV.

Butting in... I would agree. Saying that one or the other is just better is an inherently personal statement, but a person can say something is better if they mean that it is more suitable ~or appropriate. I would argue that NV's wasteland (what I've seen of it) is a more suitable return to the series proper. I really liked (and still like) FO3's landscaping and art design, but I found that I liked it best when away from the towns (or any sentient NPC except wandering scavengers). FO:NV's Wasteland is better [to me] because it better resembles a series game in both pacing and attitude, and plausibility within the setting (a setting that includes supermutants, talking animals and psychic cyborgs ) The problem I had with FO3 and not FO1, 2, or NV (so far), is that I could never take any NPC seriously... None of them commanded attention like Marcus, Set, or the Lieutenant (or even Butch, Killian and Cabbot for that matter). Talking to some in Greenspring and the first NCR guys at the outpost seemed believable to me, and the wastelands surrounding them seemed appropriate. ~More appropriate than the lands surrounding Megaton, or the folks inside.

I'm fairly sure it already has... and then some. http://www.gog.com/en/gamecard/planescape_torment --------------------------------------------------------------------------- I think it has more to do with the kind of play, and kind of player than the graphics ~which IMO are still great. (but then I prefer FO1's dialog heads to any I saw in FO3 )

You have to be kidding me, I've never heard of this. And I love Myth! I don't have that one any more... There is also an urban warfare mod that is similar. Here is a Civil War conversion though (I've not played it, but found it just now while searching for the other one) http://projectmagma.net/downloads/BlueAndGrey/ Here is another... http://projectmagma.net/downloads/CarnageIslands/

No argument there. AP's equate directly to time, and in theory the faster PC moves first, and its all supposed to be considered simultaneous action, but the limits of TB do cause unrealistic sideffects in the linear action of the events, but in this case you really can say, "its just a game". There is a neat mod for Myth that sets it in the old west, with six shooters and cannon. Fun game, with RT strategy and while they don't fall over in pain from one shot... its still pretty brutal and they don't live long while getting shot at. Pity the guy with the knife.

Absolutely! (and yet I did this even in the first weeks) ~but Fallout supports it.(and dropping a bomb is do different than dropping a mine in FO3 ~I've done it to see if it still worked) Its a fact that FO3 cheats where FO1 did not... In combat the inventory requires APs to enter, but the pipboy requires nothing, and AP's regenerate for free (and reloading is free). *Sure there are exploits in both games, but IMO FO3's are equal or more onerous.

I liked the combat in FO1, 2, and Tactics ~tactics built onto FO2. In FO2 you could use APs for more than attacking, and you could even choose not to use AP's and would gain an armorclass bonus for every AP you did not expend; (x2 with the right perk and conditions). FO played fair, and the NPC's could run out of ammo, or jam their gun, drop their melee weapon, or even twist their ankle or something and pass out ~same as the PC. They also played by the same [simple] rules, and I can recall knocking out opponents, unloading their gun, and stealing their ammo ~then moving off to attack someone else. When they awoke they hopped up and tried to shoot my PC, and then could not reload, and had to expend AP's to close into melee range. In FO2 you can move behind a corner, and drop dynamite as you go, and them sometime follow you around the corner and end their turn on the bomb. You can end your own turn behind someone else and a shooter has a decent chance of hitting them instead ~do this on purpose, and you might draw angered "allies" into the fight. FOT had better combat, but FO2 combat was great IMO. In a skill based RPG, if someone shoots you in the head, it might just nick your ear or scratch the bone... No guarantee that it punched a hole in your skull ~and provided its not a .22, its not impossible to survive if it did ('cuz people have).

hay, I loved every part of FO1 and 2. but that was back in 1998. 12 years later, a person that never played them? I tried playing FO2 last year and couldn't bring myself to. Well... There are several posts on the Bethsoft forum from FO3 customers that learned of FO1&2 and bought them and came back posting they liked them (some actually liked them more and said, [to the effect], that they now understood what some of these old fans meant by their comments )*(to be fair, there are plenty that say the opposite, call names, and say its a waste of their money.... they expected ) I once showed an older cousin Fallout 2, and he was the self described shooter junkie that only played FPS games. He had it 5 minutes and was starting to get into it ~and can you believe it crashed? . (their PC was messed up to begin with though) Fallout 1&2 are on my never uninstall list, and have been for years.

VATS did not exist in the earlier games... (except as a location in the game called the "Vats" ~Vats filled with FEV). What we have in FO3/NV called VATS, is an odd re-envisioning of the 'Aimed Shot' option in Fallout 1 & 2. In these games AP's were far more important and were used for all actions during combat. ~Aim actions cost more AP's than non-aimed, and the hit percentages were a fixed linear risk rather than calculated by proximity (which IMO is bad despite being more realistic). Combat was a favorite part of Fallout for me, (and its why I could sit through Tactics, as they improved it ~if you ignore the RT default).

'Icewind Dale' and FO:NV, and a little 'Dungeon Hack' on the side.

You spend too much time on Beth boards, friend. Fix your sarcasm/troll detector;) Guilty

Fallout is older than Bioware's NWN I remember NWN1 (It was the very first pay2play online MMO) I call your NWN and raise with my Pool of Radiance. I'm just too lazy to walk upstairs and take a picture of the box. I have all the Gold Box and Legend series RPG's installed using custom DOSBOX shortcuts.

I remember NWN1 (It was the very first pay2play online MMO)

Currently Bloodlines & Disciples 3 (Both are [so far] better than I had imagined ~which is to say, Fantastic!) I'd like to know as well (same reasons). What is your opinion of Monolith's 'Blood'? This only makes more and more interested in playing Gothic 2. Indeed... I have Gothic 2, and was seriously looking at GOG's Painkiller:Black edition.

Me? Force of habit. I type somewhat how I talk (meaning pauses, breath and gestures that are often lost in print). Some of the usage is not correct English I know, but I'm reasonably consistent; even though I tend to over-use semicolons (and sometimes not appropriately).

I dislike the idea that I pay for the privilege of being allowed to play ~this time, and possibly the next. I'm aware that software (long since) and games are adopting the notion licensed, not owned; and making your use of the game dependent on their say-so. When I look at my library of games, and see just how many favorites are from non-existent companies, I ask myself, what if these were DRM crippled in a similar way... I'd not be able to play what I'd purchased. I recently re-installed Mirrors Edge and had no internet connection at the time ~The DRM practically called me a thief outright, and refused to play unless I was vouched for by their server ~despite having the retail DVD in the local drive. (Mirrors Edge is a great game, but that by itself is enough to not buy another EA game ever again ~which is my intention.) I have used STEAM for titles that I cannot find close by, are trivial whims, or cannot find without some worse DRM infecting it, but in general I avoid STEAM, and buy hard copy discs (or DRM-less installers) whenever I have the option. (Stripped of the options... I'd just as soon quit buying games altogether than migrate to STEAM. I have over a hundred games and I've not seen 15 in the last ten years that really impressed ~so its very rarely worth the hassle.)

Same here... However, I've recently begun to look at Steam as the default last resort, for when I just can't find a title, or when I can't find it without worse DRM.

That's confirmed? That's a real bummer; makes you wonder why they did not have him record a generalized intro (loosely usable for New Vegas, or something else), while they had him in the studio.