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I thought Fahrenheit was a pretentious attempt at creating an interactive movie from the wrong direction. Crappy art, but still art.

So, what you're saying is that games are already a superior medium to film? There's a ton of games that don't rely on violence all the time. Just because they're not the hyped up big sellers out of the big US studios doesn't mean they don't exist. Just the same as the same can't be said of movies. Wow, it doesn't seem like you really read my post. I know there are non violent games out there, but I doubt they account for much more than 10% of the market. Movies have developed their non-violent genres to a much greater degree. Yes, popcorn movies are huge and sell well, but they are are rarely considered artful. I'd say maybe 25% of movies rely on violence to push the plot forward. Keep in mind, 85% of statistics are made up. And it's not just about violence, it's the use of violence. Bioshock is an artful game, but I've still spent a lot of time killing very similiar creatures over and over again. That puts it a lot closer to a standard horror flick then it does Apocalypse Now. I'm not saying games aren't art, I'm just saying they have a long way to go before they fit that "fine art" definition. They definitely aren't a superior medium, although they have the potential to be. But games need to break out of their demographic on a more consistent basis. As it is now, the appeal of games is too limited to teenage boys. And it doesn't seem like you think about your post. Made up statistics don't make points. Nor does the selective reasoning that killing similar creatures over and over again between and during narrative points of an 18 hour game compared to a 2-3 hour movie somehow denies the classification of art and fine art. There is nothing about the definition of "fine art" that excludes things that attract through the use of action. Fine art is actually a very open consideration if you ignore the definitions that are exclusive to the medium and focus on the ones that say it's specifically about being intentionally appealing to the sense. If you can honestly say the existence of action in Bioshock somehow denies the existence of beautiful scenery and sound within it, then, and only then, you can say it does not fit the definition of fine art.

Since the confidentiality is commercial, does that mean you'll spill if I give you 5 quid?

I'm not: http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/bioshock http://gamerankings.com/htmlpages2/924919.asp

How's it taste?

I should be offended. The US is a cheap import? Those bastards!

I just reread the thread and did not catch her say that. As far as I can still tell, she's upset because she's afraid it either won't work or that there's some sort of otherwise difference between them. I'm sure it's an entirely honest mistake on the part of the retailer.

I'm biased because I may be doing some work with Gearbox, but Hell's Highway looks to be awesome in more ways than just graphics. What kind of work?

It'd be the perfect alibi.

You're an inferior medium, Xard.

I'll keep my eye out, in Texas, for people in Seattle.

I love Persona 3. It's such a fun game. I think I may like it more than Bioshock, but Bioshock still wins me among recent games for specific moments in it.

So, what you're saying is that games are already a superior medium to film? There's a ton of games that don't rely on violence all the time. Just because they're not the hyped up big sellers out of the big US studios doesn't mean they don't exist. Just the same as the same can't be said of movies.

Wow, so you were right. I'd applaud but it'd look like I was being sarcastic. It does explain the large case though. You lucky brits get those nice slim DVD cases. Glad you got your color manual at least. I don't think they're threatening reputation or anything. They're just saying nobody else has complained, which makes sense because there's no significant difference beyond packaging. Could you link to where they make the claim for KOTOR 1? Perhaps e-mail them back with that link and point out where they are making the mistake.

PC games (the media and the game content) don't care about region. The reason they package and market differently is for different audiences and to help keep track of how well things sell in a region for future marketing and development. I'm sure there's more to it, but that's some basics. To directly answer your question in regards to game CDs/DVDs. US CDs are no different than UK CDs beyond who stamped them, how they were packaged, and where they were shipped to. Unless there's particularly extenuating circumstances (such as for Fahrenheit/Indigo Prophecy where content had to be removed for the US release) or the publisher is insane.

The entire ruleset needs an overhaul.

Basically all that Action Replay (and Gameshark, if that's still around) does is it modifies memory locations. What this means exactly, I can't tell you. I can tell you that you can't use it for mods. It can make simple changes such as causing data values to behave differently, not increment/decrement when they otherwise would, increment faster, change defaults, etc.

Bad kitty.

1) Misinterpretation that he's devaluing games. 2) Disagreement with the principle. There's a possible 3rd, but it's not worth mentioning.

I didn't get that impression. Especially not with his stated claim of why.

But art isn't a consideration of value but of classification.

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