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So, his two last posts are quite a same. I can't remember my posts, but they propably were attempts of reasoning. -------------- Dude those powers are confirmed on those sites. THEY EXIST. Get over it. Also force plague could be used at nearly any time possibley even the movies. All it does is weakens and slows down the jedi. ------------ ermm... oh, and: ----------- I doubt that. Actually almost all of them are used in books. ---------------- Still about foce powers. I remember writing loooooong post (aka the full answer) later simply because I was so bored and had nothing else to do. I never posted it since OPG hadn't logged in for a long time by then. too bad I didn't save it. However, it mostly used all the old arguments I and others used when OPG still raged about Exile's awesomeness Besides, all his arguments were already triumphed over, by me and other ones. I explained (in that post in page two I quoted) whole instant learning thing. Now it's confirmed that Exile is LSF, so canonically whole "insta learning" never existed It was fun as long as it lasted, too bad he was defeated long ago and started to ignorantly repeat himself I beg your pardon for typos, but I was quite careless when writing those posts. After all, they were sended to OPG Xard

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never to less those powers have been confirmed in wiki and wookiepedia and are in almost all the novels. THEY DID HAVE those powers back in the old days. ------------------ Just how exactly how he couldn't understand the fact many force powers are made in EU because of GAMEPLAY/ENTERTAINMENT reasons... :crazy: Omgz, there isn't force crush in teh movies but it's in kotor2 thus sidious sucks lolz" Geez. I never gave the full answer since he had abandonded forums by then. Also I wasn't very keen on idea to start repeating same arguments for 100th time again.

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I still can't remember any storyline proof that Exile used forms he learned from masters to kill them. Dude no one EVER stated (meaning creators of star wars) that sidious won and wiki tells you what happened. Read the novel as well. Mace used vapaads super conducting loop to redirect everything palpatine had back at him. NO PROOF whatsoever that palpatine won the saber duel. Sidious didn't even know of vapaad untill mace introduced it. Yes palaptine was faking his lightning but it WAS THE SAVE HIS LIFE. ALL PALPATINE ever can do is HIDE behind his bitchs to do his work for him cause his lack of power. He played anakin for his LIFE. Either way sidious was mabey just a few hairs stronger than yoda. Well alot of this is not fresh in my memory since the debate. Um no. These events STILL happened 4,000 years ago and all that KNOWLEDGE was LOST and people formed into weak children but playing with toys. Also I do not lvl a character up and say OMG LOOK AT MY BUILD! I base everything off the story. Sidious barley even uses anything except for force lightning. Yeah real impressive. rolleyes.gif Ok even ANAKINS medeclorians probably had a limit. Also he was NOT EVER AT ANY POINT the most powerful jedi or sith. He had the most potential and that's about it. Luke on the other hand in his prime power I have to admit is impressive. But the Exile could simply learn his abilities and mock them, master them (possibley even better than him withion seconds), and after killing him gain all his power. The exile can gain pwoers simply because he gained abilities NOT POSSIBLE unless you give up the force. Just from feadings and leachinf off others he may very well have come to be a close second to luke at the end of the game and his blade work was probably even better. Actually all that stuff is 3. Anyway storywise the crystal increases ones power one thousand fold but it's power decreases the further away you get from it. The exiles crystal is as powerful as him or reflects his own power. You it depends on how you think of it. It could be less, same lvl, or more powerful than the exile. We will never know I guess. Hmm I am not sure about where or what this was debated about in the topic. Acually the exile did master it better. STORYWISE he used THOSE tecniques within the force to kill them so yes he did master them better. And since he is a wound in the force he can simply leach off others and send echos through the force and gain things that luke wouldn't even be able to gain. But it seems we have a misunderstanding here. You play LS and I play DS. As DS you learn instantly better than the masters while in combat. As lighside though the Exile is simply taught and not directly from sendings echos from the force and leaching to gain his power but just from being taught. But I am saying if the Exile was to FIGHT someone else he would feed off him and use his own abilities to destroy him in most cases. And the exile does seem to have to will the ability to learn from other masters in combat. It's all very debatable but the exile is not just a worthy opponant to luke because of this but because every passing kill he WILL become stronger. And the most impressive thing about the exiles power is most of the time he/she is not even putting effort into it but the powers just come. STORYWISE. Many different things will help the exile win. And regardless of what lucas says and like it or not jedi have shown these things called feats of their powers and skills which WERE SHOWN and DID HAPPEN. Lucas can't erase time or change something that was already shown. Mabey he wanted windu to live AFTER he made the movie but the movie already came out and fact was fact. It happened and was shown. PEROID. No mere words can change the fact of what the characters did and you must realise that lucas approved these characters so he can't really take it back now. Yes luke is impressive in his final years I get it. Luke might beat the exile logically and he might not but the exile ALWAYS holds the potential of beating luke because even if he couldn't he could simply set out the learn new abilities (and be sucessful) and kill others to gain more power. anyway I am tired. I will speak mroe this this tomorrow. --------------------------------------- Quotes don't work in that post at all. Oh well... ^_^

Old news. I don't like way many characters look like. They should've followed official artwork more closely

Heh, this is quite fun. Apparenly I can't remember my answer to that PM but this is his counter-post: :p Sorryy for off-topic mods

I guess his PM's to me were his final posts. He continued debate in PM when topic was locked ^_^ Um no. Sidious was the DARK LORD OF THE SITH but the others WERE SITH LORDS. Sidious was the master and they were the apprentices. They were all sith lords. Anyway out of all of them sidious was the most powerful but anakin had the most potential. The arguement was about sidious power lvl. He was the most powerful during his time and his clone VASTLY improved from the original sidious lack of power but still not enough to be the most powerful sith ever. What do you HONESTLY think would happen if DE sidious approached nelius? He would get drained within an instant ALL OVER. Did sidious discover the secrets to immortality such as Sion? Was sidious able to create a force LIGHTNING storm or use force crush. Did sidious anailate hundreds of other force sensitives BY HIMSELF? Did he learn the electro magnectic torpedoe (which was a power he tried to learn but FAILED)? Did he grow in power simply by watching a foe and observing him while fighting him and than master that same ubber power tecnique of his foe but even to a greater degree when it took years for his foe to learn that tecnique? Could sidious just simply drain the life out of multiple jedi masters (some of the strongest in the order)? Could sidious go around and make force bonds instantly and force those to follow him. No. Even when Revan and The Exile had such powers to form an army as deadly as the empires perhaps by sending force bonds to those they didn't because they did not need to hide behind others. Until sidious SHOWS PROOF of more impressive feats than he is NOT the most powerful ever but only the msot powerful dark lord of the sith during his time. He may have been the greatest minipulater ever and one of the smartest dark lords of the sith but when in comes to RAW STRENGTH and RAW POWER he does not compare to some others although DE sidious does come on the top 10 if not top 5 list for most powerful dark lords of the sith ever because of his force storm ability. But that's all he has shown us. Almsot everything he acomplishes is THROUGH HIS ARMY and his armies TECNOLIGY. If he was so powerful why did he needa death star to crush his foes? Whenever he was ALONE in a fight against another force sensitive he did not show to be all what he is made out to be. His power is within his allies and army. Well at least most of it anyway. DE Sidious is an exception. This is first post in the Mighty OPG series ^_^

Besides, siths considered he to be strongest one among them. That's why he was so strong, none could challenge him (expect Revan). Sion was sith that time too. If would've been stronger than Malak he would've seized mantle of Dark Lord of the Sith

I miss him, 'twas so fun back then. Little bit frustrating, but... :'(

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Well, if it's just one word replies only, then yeah, you lose I'd say. But, if it's not just one word replies then you could say: STFU OPG p00 eatin' n00b!17! Yay or nay? Probably nay, right? :"> Meh, or you could just say STFU n00b! Or Umm...Finland pwnz teh Germanians kthxbye. Or, you could pretend this post of mine never happened. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I couldn't come up with anything 1337 enough. I mean YAWEH!!11one sounds more than little bit like Yahweh I mean, what should I say? Allah? God doesn't exist? oh...

I really can't see why Architect has this campaign going on this topic. IMO it's said vlearly many times Revan was teh Genius. There's no reason to presume otherwise. Although I like your posts in general very mucho, Architect , I don't agree with you at all in this topic. Your "proofs" are little bit... well, since I can't come up with anything that means same as kaukaa haettua, I say they're "far shots". Really, black looks white from certain point of view. This is same kind of thing. If there isn't any proof you can make it to look like there is. For example whole "mandalorians and echnani are lying" is just... well, stupid

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Because you have brain cancer? On topic: :crazy:

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supper power? However, Iraq was more stable when Saddam was in lead

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I hope this improves my frame rate which 1.03 crippled edit: oh well, it's not illegal to hope