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I'm late to this part of the arguement, but I'm concerned that this makes sense to you because it makes no sense to me. Hypothetical breakdowns: Situation A - Purchased Game: Buying a product, an application, that I can use whenever I want, over and over - I get the same application from somewhere else and I don't do anything with it I did not have the right to do anyway. Therefore, the only problem here is that I used an illegal source for my legal product. Situation B - Movie Ticket: Buying a service, the option to rent a place in a movie theater for the duration of one single showing of the film. I have not purchased a right to see this film whenever I want, over and over. I download the film itself, a reusable product, so I can watch it over and over though I have no right to and have not paid for this product. In this case I have paid only for a service and am therefore in possession of an illegal product from an illegal source. In situation B I possess an illegal product and therefore have committed a crime. In situation A I do not possess an illegal product even if the source offered it illegally. Only the source has committed a crime, I have not. I have paid for exactly every one of the games I have played. Some games I've paid for three times (Gothic 3). Now tell me: what did I steal? You paid for a product (or a product key) and then you chose not to use it. That doesn't give you the right to then download it illegally. You don't see how silly that sounds? If I buy a ticket to a movie and decide to just hold on to the stub, then go home and download it illegally, that doesn't put me in the clear. edit: This is also a very slippery slope. If I buy a movie without a digital copy, does that give me the right to download it off a torrent? The product key is a different matter, because the product key is a unique product whereas the application is not, meaning an illegally procured product key is an illegal product. As for the movie example, there is no slippery slope. It is legal to procure a copy of a film for personal use, say as a spare copy, in any case the argument holds no water since a DVD is just a container for a digital copy and once again you would not be getting something you don't already own. The source is of no consequence. You would not have the right to download a different version of it, however. For example, say you have a DVD but you download an HD version - that would be a crime. It's more of a steep cliff than a slippery slope. Thus far you have not managed to give an example that is not either completely legal or completely illegal on the part of the downloader. The only variable here that makes for murky legal situations is cracks, but that is again not by default a part of downloading an illegal version of a game. In fact, I've cracked games I legally own for no other reason than they would not work otherwise (I'm looking at you, NWN 2). The slippery slope there is the other way around - if cracks become illegal, being modifications of software, all mods immediately become illegal as well. EDIT: Keep in mind that I am not American and what I understand as my basic consumer rights may differ from yours, as I see some people have already pointed out that in some regions personal copies are legal.

Tiiiiiiiiigraneeeeees!!!! I miss your homicidal rage through Faerun.

I'm inclined to disagree since opening decreases value on collector's items plus a game is a bunch of code. If you already own it, in the strictest sense, you have not gained a new or different product. You've just gotten something you own off a different source than intended. Not that I'm advocating piracy or anything, I just think once you own a game then, you know, you own a game. What does it matter that you got it off a CD as long as you paid for it and already gave your money to support the developers? Yes, in a perfect world there would be no piracy, but it's not a perfect world and dealing with what if's is pointless.

Are your other stats any good? Maybe you can take levels in something else. I've already taken levels in something I'm equally bad at! I'm already crap at 2 classes!

Chaotic Neutral Human Barbarian/Rogue (2nd/1st Level) Ability Scores: Strength- 9 Dexterity- 12 Constitution- 11 Intelligence- 14 Wisdom- 13 Charisma- 14 What the fudge? That is the worst character ever!

Excelsior, true believer!

Try it out.

The PE boards terrify me. I am hyped for the game but any opinion posted there just gets flamed for not being enough yet simultaneously too much like either Baldur's Gate or Icewind Dale.

Adding my 2 cents to the sequel title "speculations" : Torment 2: Numenera Boogaloo

Steam has Greenlight so they don't have to wade through mountains of crap and have to check the legal side of selling all of it. Case in point, a billion Slenderman games have been posted and all of them would have been denied due to not owning the rights to the character nor having permission to use it, but now Steam only had to deny the two or three that were actually popular. It saves literally mountains of work.

Ravenloft would be pretty awesome. I'd love to see Avellone playing with pretty much every horror trope you can find.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X07xNrVd7DU&feature=share Someone drove a truck full of Ghostbusters DVDs into a warehouse full of Men in Black DVDs and ended up with something that looks as fun as it looks stupid.

Yeah, Routh was a great superman and I almost wish he was given another chance, but that was ruined by that film being a huge failure on every other level.

Source Code's not bad either, if more action orientented.

None of my news networks are reporting anything. I heard something about loss of life and limb? EDIT: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/16/us/explosions-reported-at-site-of-boston-marathon.html?_r=0 2 Explosions at the finish of the Boston Marathon. Unknown cause thus far. So far dozens wounded reported and 3 casualties.

He's got my vote.

I don't know this setting but I thought the main character conceit of an abandoned body taking up a new consciousness is quite nifty

Wow, that sucks. Interesting to see it from that perspective. An interesting experiment would be to go play some online games with an obviously female monniker to see how much more abuse you get.

Doesn't seem to be a female thing because I do much the same thing.

I assume there are a lot more women here than we think that we just tend to assume are men due to gender neutral user names like the good lady up there. Most women gamers I know don't advertise their gender (nor do they have to) because it often leads to unwanted attention. Even if it's not harassment (of which there is a lot) but I assume it's also annoying to have the same conversation every time someone realizes you're a woman. This place is pretty good about it most of the time, at worst displaying apathy and at best being entirely accepting. There's other places that aren't nearly as forgiving, ranging from horrible harassment (see the website fat ugly or slutty that documents some of this) but also just as annoying are white knights - the worst kind of sexists, they who might as well be writing "come here women, I'll protect you because I know you can't" on their t-shirts. Also INB4Volo screaming "Misandry!"

Don't care much for Age of Wonders but I'm happy another relatively big release is coming out of my tiny country. I thought I was going to have be ashamed of our stupid Killzones forever.

Pretty sure it's out there considering I played it personally.

Did you see The Hobbit in 48fps 3D? Because I tend to get painful eye strain and headaches from 3D but the 48fps was smooth watching.

I keep hoping they do a single player Warcraft RPG. They should totally bring back that cancelled graphic adventure. The genre is back! Nah, you can find the parts they made online. Abandonia has it, I think, but I'm ot sure. They should make a new version, not bring that one back. It was terrible and deserved to be cancelled.

I agree, both Indigo Prophecy and Heavy Rain were enormous failures as games. Due to the lack of meaningful choice it became a series of meaningless cutscenes interspaced with even more meaningless and menial gameplay. It demonstrates a complete lack of knowledge about what makes a movie good nor what makes a video game good and as such their bad combination doesn't work at any level. Worse, they're obsessed with this idea that realism is the only way to tell a story and David Cage is downright disrespectful to thousands of games which exhibit more emotion and depth with a hundred polygons than he will ever be able to with a billion. Man, when Blizzard said they were going to announce something that wasn't a sequel, expansion or that Titan project, I somehow got the idea in my head that they were finally going to do something new or interesting. WarCraft TCG? Wasn't there one already?