Shadowstrider

I didn't say it wasn't doable without speed. I said I couldn't imagine doing it without it. I also said to him without any force powers. I know I certainly could not(then again, I do not have the patience to save every round.)

As usual, my posts go largely ignored... The forum software is invisionboard, the php improvement over the old CGI ikonboards. Invisionboard is the most stable forum software I've ever used. I recomend it to all my clients.

This is so childish. Simply ask the moderator WHY you were warned. Then contact "The Guildmaster." Stop spamming the forums with inane question which you could easily have checked by clicking the link to the moderation team.

You're crying about usermods coming from Iplay/BIS/Bio...

"A step in the right direction does not take you from the swamp."

Relevance?

They may not be that well thought out, but try reading into his posts instead? Don't be an idiot and take everything at face value, that's all. There's a lot of wisdom in his posts. A board like this, anyway. Hence this board's suckiness. I take it this board is a total waste of time? I SHALL REPENT AND HEED THE WISDOM OF BIAS! OH YES... No. How can something be wise, and not well thought out. Reminds me of something someone said in debate in highschool. "Thats like saying STDs are good, because they're proven good." ...

I didn't say you would miss 25% of the time with a consular/sentinel. I said the +5 to BAB means the guardian has 25% more of a chance to hit. I don't know how you can say 2 additional damage a round is useless... especially since if you're only making 1 attack a round I cannot see you beating uber-cheesed Malak. Its +2 damage per ATTACK. If you have a double-bladed saber, 2 weapons you have 2 attacks. If you use flurry, you get another, at an expense to attack rolls(where the +5 BAB helps). If you use speed, you get an additional attack(or is it 2, at master speed? I forget). If you're using all of those, you would have 4-5 attacks, which is 8-10 additional damage a round, not 2. Assuming that the consular cannot/won't use the same console to the same effect. Besides, the sentinel only gets 1 point more per level, and since computer use isn't a class skill(unless I'm mistaken), the difference is neglible. It goes back to, the fact that skills are not necessary, while combat IS, and force powers are(if you beat the game without a single force power, I am very, very, very, very impressed, I could never have beaten Malak without force speed.).

Your taste in movies sucks. You're a ****head. Go to your den and wrap your lips around a revolver. K THX BYE Hi. This might be the funniest reply to anything, ever.

I'm pretty certain I can make a consular that won't use it's force powers and still beat the game. So that would make that class unbalanced as well. I also think I can make a guardian without using any of the additional feats it gets and still beat the game, so by your definition that class would also be unbalanced. If you can finish the game without using a force power(which is an improper test), I'de be surprised. There is more to the guardian then the bonus feats. It stregth is combat, not the 2 extra feats it gets, alone. It can deal 2 more damage per hit, and hit 25% more of the time. The consular's strength is that its force powers can be very, very difficult to resist, and used more often. Since it hits as often as the sentinel, it is as good in combat as the sentinel. What makes the sentinel poorly balanced is the reliance on the skill point for balance, and that its immunities stop growing at 12, for the most part(saves till grow).

Sentinels get 1 skill point per level more. The MP and HP is balanced, because it is supposed to be the "intermediary" class. The have the same BAB as a consular. Other then that they get three immunities, fear, stun, and paralysis. The immunities are the hardest to gauge. Since the average jedi level is 12-14. That ensures that they get all their immunities. However, another reason it can be seen they were not properly balanced is that the immunities stop at level 12. Another should've been issued @ 18, to follow the 1/6 levels progression. Consular and Guardians continue to get bonus abilities jedi levels higher then 12, the sentinel does not.

I find Megatron's bias overrides his rationale. Not to mention, they're often short, and not well thought out(due to his biases), which is contrary to what you said you wanted.

Balance is not opinion. "A state of equilibrium or parity characterized by cancellation of all forces by equal opposing forces." Sentinel is not balanced because it relied on skill points to balance out itself with the other jedi classes. Since the skills system is unecessary, skills are not balanced. Forcepowers are necessary to win(consular), and combat is necessary to win(guardian), skills are not(sentinel). Not balanced. Not opinion.

What are you talking about? I already acknowledged that "I think the sentinel is just the least powerful, not the least effective." was opinion. I also noted, thats not what I was debating. If you'de flip your brain on, you might realize this.

Sure. Which is why the sentinel is not underpowered(i.e. insufficient). I do not equate power to balance. You could be balanced, but still underpowered(insufficient). In this case, the sentinel is not balanced with the other classes, but is still powerful enough. I don't understand how you can say this, then say this: It WOULD make sense, IF there weren't enough computer spikes in game to have 0 ranks in the skill, and still "hack da gibson" and avoid battles. If the consular has advantages, and access to the Sentinel's ability to avoid battles, hows it balanced?

No its not, its how trouble starts. You'de know, your friends at the codex prove this. Debating opinion is bad news... of course this is my opinion, so lets debate it... No its not. Though I could see how you could confuse it.

Volourn, the reason I, and almost everyone, say you almost only use opinion is because, *gasp* you do almost only use opinion. Not to mention you skirt issues with opinion, and declare it the defining factor. Its illogic. The few times you do post "facts" to support your claims, you most often do not provide any numbers, or links, or quotes.

OK, admittedly, useless was not the best term. I should've said, unnecesary. As for unbalanced and underpowered, its fairly simple. Underpowered means it does not have sufficient power to win. Unbalanced means it is not equal/balanced with the other like classes. Straight melee, is what I found to be the least effective. Since Sentinels have more force points, I found them more effective. Thats opinion, but I already said that. Least powerful, because the major draw of the sentinel is its skills. Since skills are unnecessary, the draw of the sentinel is decreased, and less powerful. You can have something VERY powerful, but not at all effective. Likewise, you can have something VERY effective, but not all that powerful.

The fact they're not balanced. Underpowered implies you cannot play through the game, because you lack the abilities. You can easily beat KotOR with a Sentinel, but they're still not balanced.

2 feats is a big difference. Thats 2 ranks in an additional combat type. 5 BAB is 25% better hit chance.

Firstly, I only post my opinion on my site. The swkotor is a fact site, to help people who want to min/max powergame, find items, etc. Secondly, who denied the Sentinel's immunities were not useful? Before you go on a tangent, realize what you're ranting about. Thirdly, it is not opinion that skills are almost useless in KotOR, its fact. If you choose to use them, it doesn't change the fact that they're almost useless. The fact that you don't need to use skills to succesfully play through KotOR is what makes them useless. Just because you say it is opinion doesn't make it so. Go ahead, try to play KotOR without spending any of your skill points. You don't need skills, therefore, they're useless. Not opinion, FACT. Fourthly, who said Sentinels were underpowered? I said they weren't balanced. That is also fact. Fifthly, my use of opinion, is scarce, if at all. I said I beat Malak without using a healing item. Thats not opinion, that is experience. Skills are almost worthless... again experience, and fact. I said that Sentinels are not balanced with the other jedi classes, fact. Where is this opinion, which I am using as the entire evidence and credentials of my posts? Sixthly, why should I care what a bunch of people think about the sentinel? Opinion is moot. They're not underpowered, but they're not balanced with the other classes. Fact. Actually, it is my opinion that the guardian is the least effective. Nice assumption, though. I think the sentinel is just the least powerful, not the least effective.

prolly right O'course I am.

What are you talking about? I've only posted fact. YOU'RE the one who posted opinion: Who cares what you would prefer, or not? The fact is skills are almost worthless in KotOR, because you have workarounds like uber-bashing, and access to computer spikes out the anus. BioWare poorly balanced the skills, and the classes in the game. Thus far you've said you're sentinel's AC was high... Sentinels get no AC bonus. Only Scoundrel's get a class-based AC bonus. Whose illogical? The fact is the ONLY ability which sentinels get, which have any weight, are the immunities. The immunities do not weigh-in when compared to the consular's abilities, nor the guardian's feats and BAB. http://shadow-network.net/swkotor Go... look for yourself. I went to the trouble of outlining what, EXACTLY, classes get. Ignoring your opinion about skills(which is impossible for you, I know), Sentinel is the least effective of the jedi classes.

If by modified, you mean "barely recognizable base code," yeah modified.

Tip when arguing with Volourn: Choose your battles. Anyone can judge his arguements in this thread as flawed. Just make your points, and when he doesn't refute them with anything valid, let it die, or point back to your previous post.