EnderAndrew

A 20th Level Fighter can roll a 1 and whiff 5% of the time. Let's say I am some insane fighter in WoD and I have 12 dice to roll to hit. (Really twinky characters might actually even roll say, 15 dice, but that's rare). You are five times more likely to get a success than a 1. So, 1 in 5, 15 times over again is a .000000016384% chance of botching. Compare that to a 5% chance of failure for a Level 20 Fighter botching and tell me which rule is broken now. You suggested you are more likely to botch with more dice, but mathmatically, you are less likely to botch with each dice. Mind you the chance for failure isn't so drastic. The chance for success if 50% for each dice. If you need one success, then chances are, on 2 dice you will succeed. With 7 dice, you will more than succeed. Multiple successes increase damage, or add to the effect. However, that's partially why I make the base difficulty instead of 6. It brings the power level down a bit, without changing a bunch of rules. I can alter the style and challenge of play simply by altering the difficulty, but the overall rules aren't broken. And as far as I know, both Exalted, Abberant, and the brand new WoD systems all went with a base 7 as well. So my one house rule is actually a standard rule in the newer versions of the Storyteller/WoD rules.

He deleted a brand new thread as soon as I posted it, and I didn't really feel it was spam, but oh well. I think he's just on a cleaning rampage. I was just trying to spark conversation as this board seems somewhat devoid of it lately. Back on topic, I wonder if the Restoration crew has any intention of updating Atris.

Ultimately, if the plot is about Jedi and Sith, and you are neither, then it's pretty hard to be the focal point of the story. You keep mentioning Han Solo, who is not the focal point of the Star Wars saga. He is a cool character, but a second banana. In single player RPGs, people usually want to play the focal point of the story.

I'm considering going with a dual-boot system and trying Linux again, but there isn't a single need that I can think of. Currently I have a Windows app I enjoy for every computer need I have. And I enjoy gaming. However, in the spirit of being open-minded I'd like to find a 64-bit build of Linux that might be suited to web surfing and gaming.

Yet you have the conversation option before combat saying that you're attacking her to get your saber back.

I don't think most players want to play second banana in an RPG.

But a single 1 doesn't ruin your roll. You need more 1's than you have successes to them to be a factor. So a larger dice pool actually increases your chances of having more successes than 1's mathmatically.

Why is it that when you kill her you don't get your original saber back?

We might reach a majority concensus however that it is not D&D.

I don't think debating the merit of going in a certain direction should merit pruning. Flaming the person for a suggestion is another story, and I feel I've stayed left of that.

Egad. I have a 120 gig HDD for Windows and applications. Then I have a 250 gig HDD for games and MP3's.

You are mistaken there. Let's say I'm only rolling 1 dice, and I have to hit a 6 (a 7 in my game). I have a 50% chance of getting a success, and a 10% chance of rolling a 1. With more dice, you don't have a greater chance of failure as the 1's have to outnumber the successes. With each new dice, again you have a 50% chance of success, and 10% chance of rolling a 1. In addition, if you have a specialty, you get to reroll a 10 and possibly get multiple successes on one die.

I don't know if it officialyl constitutes cut content, but I don't hear people talking about the whole Atris story much. I feel something was missing there. It never felt complete or explained. One moment she is a LS Jedi. The next she is attacking me, and I somewhat inferred later the she studied Sith holocrons and was seduced somewhere along the line. Was that really jarring for anyone else?

Yet my beef is with the core mechanics and you say they can be fixed with simple house rules.

See, I'm lucky enough not to hit major bugs.

The game should be about Jedi and Sith, but you shouldn't play a Jedi? That would make it hard to develop the game. What kind of plot would they run that wouldn't require you to be able to feel or understand the Force? And what non-Jedi Tech Specialist should reasonably be able to stand toe-to-toe with the baddest Sith in the Galaxy?

Honestly, I find that WoD combat resolves MUCH quicker than D&D combat. It may have something to do with the lethality of combat, where one-hit kills are far more common, instead of 15 rounds of combat. It doesn't take but 5 seconds to roll 7 dice and count for successes, and you don't have to consult any tables or charts. Still, you suggest that modern systems would need house rules before they could become playable. I don't know what house rules WoD would need. I run with one house rule, not because of a flaw in the system, but rather to just increase overall difficulty. I up the standard diff from 6 to 7.

I finished Dantooine last, but then had to return to Dxun, and then return to Dantooine.

WoD is a pretty simple rules system. You have three groups of attributes, Physical, Social and Mental. You choose one to be primary, and divide up 10 points. Let's say you pick Physical. You have Strength which governs damage down in melee combat and brawling. You have Dexterity which governs your ability to hit. You have Stamina which governs your ability to withstand damage. All attributes have a base of 1 for free. You might split your 10 points up, putting 4 in Strength, 2 in Dex, and 4 in Stamina, or however you see fit. Skill points go along a similiar line, and any character can put points equally into any skill or attribute as they see fit. Let's say at the end of character creation, you have a Dex of 4, and a Brawl of 3. You're a Gangrel, and you prefer to fight hand-to-hand with Claws. You take 7 dice (4+3) and roll them. Your difficulty is 6. For every dice that is a 6 or higher, you have a success. If you role a 1, it takes away a success. I just used a random web-based dice roll, and got this: 8, 3, 4, 1, 1, 4, 4 There are more 1's than successes, so this roll is a botch, and you fail to hit. That's basically it. You now know how to play with that system.

Spellmar raises an eyebrow.

Certain DM/GM/STs feel that Toon was one of the few perfect systems. It may be the simplest system I've ever run across. And in running D6 with no house rules for over 7 years, I never once heard a complaint. In fact, many of my players want me to go back to running a D6 Star Wars game. Neither of these are brand new systems. As WoD is a popular system most people are familiar with, I'd like to lay it on the table. How is the system flawed and what house rules would be necessary before running it?

I haven't said the players who play such games are inferior. I have said the rules are inferior. And I will maintain that a game that limits my opportunities as a role-player is inferior to a game that allows more opportunities. From a pure logical standpoint, I think most people would have to agree with that statement. I feel some don't want to as they have certain attachments to D&D. They have fond memories, and have had good times playing D&D. It should be noted that I have said several times, that I think people should be entitled to play whatever they want, and I hope they have fun doing so. However, I think when designing a game, people shouldn't stick simply to the conventions that exist simply out of tradition. And I've met countless players who play D&D primarily because they've never been exposed to other systems, and I think that is really sad. When VHS beat out Betamax, the world accepted a standard that was inferior, but more popular. Pop music often sucks, but it sells. Popularity does not equate directly to quality. McDonalds is the most popular burger chain in the world. They have far from the best burgers. I don't know why people defend D&D's rules so vehemently, when the rules are in fact severely flawed.

Yes, but then you're layering rules upon rules to fix problems within the game, but still you're stuck within classes. You seem to have missed my point that the game punishes unique character builds. What kind of "role-playing" is that when you are rewarded for following the best twinks instead of playing your character? Inherently, that is ****ed up.

My wife's GYN/OB called me a major geek because I knew who Pandora was. She had heard someone name their child Pandora, and when I mentioned it being ****ed up, and explained the myth, the doctor was shocked anyone in the world would actually remember Greek mythology. I think Pandora is one of the more commonly known myths. I also used to think doctors were smart.

You can't get max influence with every member of your party at once, and that's the way it should be. If one action pleases Atton and pisses off Kreia, then I'm all for that style of play. I like that my party members have differing opinions.