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Your experience,tragic as it may be, is completley irrelevant. We`re talking about a system. Like I said before, you project your case onto it some1 else will project the opposite one. But when deciding on it one must strive to be as objective as possible. To see DP as a systematic solution that you may face one day (as opposed to this one SOB) that a)opposes the foundation of the system its conclusion it is b)has virtually no prevention effect and is irreversible c)is in conflict with one of the core modern western values (sanctity of life). I on the other hand do not understand how any of you would fundamentally differentiate form a murderer/rapist and yourself, putting some1 into a cell, telling him when he is going to die and then execute him in cold blood. Not all things "wrong" are written in penall codes, imo. technically, no. murder is, by definition, unlawful killing. so, actually, you have that "death penalty is lawful killing" and "murder is unlawful killing." taks Such is the definition of murder in the US/countries with DP. Elsewhere *all* killing is unlawfull ergo from that perspective DP is what ammounts to a legalised illegal act.

Perhaps you should say the same thing about all killers. Like the guys who condemn other people to death, for example. Indeed. It`s not about your subjective feelins. It`s about a systemic solution that indorces the taking of a life, wich is supposed to be the fundamental value of our modern society. We`re better than that so to speak lol... So, the US considers freedom to be a fundamental value of its society. Does that mean we shouldn't take freedom away from offenders? The US actually considers freedom more important that death. There is a universal "ladder" of values and "legal goods", you know. And life is above personal freedom on that ladder, no question about it. If it werent you`d execute on sight with no incarseration, detention etc. whatsoever. US may be special but you`re not that special lol. It`s now just a question weahter or not that final step of the ladder is off limits not only for an induvidual citizen but for the whole state aparatus aswell. I say it should be.

Well it would shure take the superbowl half time show to a whole new level... public execution on a stadium. Yep thats just what we need ain`t it...

Perhaps you should say the same thing about all killers. Like the guys who condemn other people to death, for example. Yeah, we should just legalize murder then. That would bring the cost of prison way down and also be totally bitchin sweet Death penalty IS legalised murder... But you can fight murder without the usage of Lex Tallion. Infact they`ve been doing it since Roman times.

Perhaps you should say the same thing about all killers. Like the guys who condemn other people to death, for example. Indeed. It`s not about your subjective feelins. It`s about a systemic solution that indorces the taking of a life, wich is supposed to be the fundamental value of our modern society. We`re better than that so to speak lol...

Excellent point. But it is extremely rare I think. It is far more common to have a repeat offense committed by a criminal who was shown leniency by the court. Generally speaking, excecuted men commit no more vrimes. Yet the modern judicial process with all its safeguards is founded on the very notion that it is better to let X guilty ones walk just to prevent an innocent to get wrongfully punished. And not if, but when that still happens the punishment should be such that the innocent one can be "reinstated" (and somewhat compensated). DP contradicts this in a very profound way.

Prisons need not compete for popular support. A society is formed for the very explicit reason of a state aparatus "enforcing" the social contract of the majority against the "deviant minority"... So to put it bluntly, you ether have no problems with prison or you *are* in prison lol. A sentance is supposed to serve genaral and special prevention (special-prevent the offender from repeating his act, general-act as a genereal deterant for others). It should have nothing to do with subjective notions of revenge and righteous anger. And then, like steve said, it`s a balance of mere "retribution"(prevention) on one side and "retribution" with rehabilitation on the other. But not for the sake of securing societys support but for the sake of what is more efficient for the preservation of said society. US leaned to the first, continental Europe to the latter... I`ll let you be the judge whos penal system has had more success... But the death penalty is antiquated and not fit for this day and age of civilized society. Not at the least cos it is irreversible. So what would your stance on DP be if it was your son that was wrongfully executed as a result of a judicial error GuardDog? See, it works both ways heh...

I second this. I allways felt a great aanger for the developers cos they discriminate against bigger cup sizes. I never got what the fixation with such in depth customization is all about... Imho thats completley redundant. It`s not like you get to see a lot of your own face during gameplay... And still its a major focal point for creaming galore whenever one gets to choose his own particular "tone" of skincolourcolour... A mistery to me... (case in point: Oblivion and Ghotic3. Can`t really say I was heartbroken cos I had no customization options heh)

When ppl tell you you won`t get left behind that is usually when your ass gets ditched

sure. Windu would pwn palpy and all would be well in the galaxy far far away. Black-Purple powah!

I think it`s pritty much granted that neither protagonist of K1 or K2 will play a major part in K3, simply because that would ruffle too many feathers by setting a 100% visage etc. etc. Better to have them go out whit a bang and then retrace theirs steps (as a padawan in the new order) to finish what they started, as opposed to the alternative of marginalising them and/or lame halfarsed hooded cameons.

Well still 2 to be announced heh For K3... All I`m gonna say: 100 years after K2.

Idea on par with sabre-whips... But I wouldn`t put it beyond the geniouses at LA... Ladies and gents... LA gives you: Sabre-Batons. Featured in the concept art of TFU (Click me gentlyimage 32 out of 37). Let the hurling begin... This has to be the worst idea since Greedo shooting first.

In K1 Taris wins it for me, hands down. THATS how you do a city/planet wide metropolis ffs. Captured the spirit of it perfectly and got me hookline and sinker. Puts Nar-Shadaa to friggin shame tbh. And Manaan was good too hehe... E2 style jedi detective/investigation work, nice touch. In K2 I`d go with Dantooine... Nar-Shadaa, and pritty much all urban areas, were a big letdown (see paragraph above). Overall K1 planets are vastly superrior imo.

For Christ sake... you have 10 nuts with no/limited acces to guns and 10 nuts with easy acces to guns, which group will potentionally make more damage? And did Charlton Heston teach you that line about guns not killing but people? Meh, it`s hopeless... a culture thing I guess... But I don`t know how having a police force armed more heavilly than 1/4 of the world`s armies just to fight crime isn`t a clue into some serious society issues. Nvm these horrific tragedies every year, US doesn`t need to intervene in ME, it has a warzone on its home soil. But somehow thats "normal" for ye folks... To each his own... Bringing in China and holocaust is just ridicolous. So you need an automatic weapon at home to protect you from uncle Sam now? Jesus H. C., I knew historically America was founded on gunpowder but that`s taking it a wee bit far...

So you`re basically telling me you feel that it would be better to arm everyone so those 30 unfortunate soles could duke it out OK-corral style instead of introducing strict mesaures about fireweapons/ammunition? That john wayne type of thinking frightens me if I`m completley honest heh...

See, that`s part of the problem. "Only" a handgun. Like smallarms are accesories and gun control only applies to 50cal and above. Dare I say that in a european country a handgun is considered quite a big deal and the problem isn`t percieved as the fact that there are potentionally too few metal detectors or armed guards at school entrances. There is something fundamentally wrong with that. It`s like they`re stuck in time as far as guns are concerned... a true gun-ho culture...

Christ... How long will it take ppl over there to realise that the redcoats are home and indians went swimming so it`s safe to hand in the artillery pieces... maybe we wouldn`t have to watch this every 2 years or so...

I second this! MBII is the only reason why one would keep JA installed. Beaturifull maps (some servers run them in full authentic mode to duplicate the movies as much as possible), combat system completley different to the hack and slash of the JA... sabering actually takes skill to master... parry/stirke/deflect... I tell ya it rox! But comparing it to KOTOR is ridicolous... like comparing watermellons with grapes... JA isn`t about the uber deep story and KOTOR isn`t about mouse abuse combat... To each his own ppl. It`s not a question of which gamme is better to you it`s a question of which game genre you prefer

Ummm... you`re kinda missing the point here... It`s not about the quantity of rip-offs... Its SW ffs, how can it be anything but a rip-off of the OT? A macho NPC will always draw paralels to Han. A mentor type to Obi1. A love story to Han&Leia/Ani&Padme. Redemption story to Vader etc. etc. Most people enjoy seeing a bit of the movie characters in them and will instinctivly look for conections like that. Its about the "weight" of them. Face it, most of what K1 and K2 riped-off is kinda inconsequential... you like it, great candy for you, you don`t, you can easily live with Atton&Exile remebering you of H&L and still have fun... The main beef is that TSL takes it to a whole new level; wich is actually an old level, and that`s the problem. To (again) kill of every jedi just to set off the PC on a Luke type mission was a heavy heavy alteration of the exciting timeline that brought a whole new dimension to the SW universe. Heavy copying that killed it off, to be precise. You got stuck on what the odds allegedly are... wth? thats like saying it`s different cos exile is female. Who cares about the odds or gender? The fact is: TSL took a 180% U-turn and went for the "last of the" routine we know soooo well... That single rip-off causes more "damage/problems" to the franchise and timeline that all other K1&2 rip-offs combined. What K1 bult up K2 tore down even before the oppening scene, and went for the "good old" formula. However you may feel about K1, it still left a huge amount of manouvering space for TSL to do an "inovative" story in this "inovative" timeline. What TSL did kinda left K3 with very few options on the inovative scale, barring new drastic changes wich will marginalise TSL as the experiment gone wrong heh. As it stands, if you have great K3 cravings you can just go play JK series. Just rename the characters and apply the new year count in your head. KOTOR looks to have turned into the all to simmilar story in the grand scheme of things. Here`s hoping K3 takes another U-turn!

Gameplay wise TSL itroduced some nifty fetaures one now sorely misses in K1... But I do still think K1 was better. One reason is that I prefer SW stories being the good old clear cut good vs. evil duel that defines SW... but thats not the main reason. KOTOR introduced a de facto new universe filled with untold potential. Thousands of jedi/sith, epic confrontations, old jedi order and all that jazz... it was one of the best selling points it had tbh. I personally found paralels (like wookie/scoundrel character pairs etc.) more of a plus than a minus to the game. Yes it kinda ripped off certain elements. But it turned out nice. Enjoy the irony of how historic details have a tendency to repeat themselves hehe.. For the life of me, I can`t understand how ppl ranting about KOTOR ripp off`s of the OT don`t mind TSL wich pulled the biggest and most catastrophical ripp off of them all... It took one of the gratest things about KOTOR and threw it out the window, trading it for another "last of the masacred *insert*, alone against the overwhelming odds" Luke type of story. Never mind its been done to death mind you! The point is that where KOTOR paralels with the cannon movies can be forgiven/overlooked/ignored with no ill effect. That can`t be done with TSL. It ripped off the entire friggin universe. Not only it messed itself up for a "picky" player like KOTOR did, it potentionally messed it up for all of its succesors that will be tied to its story. It massacred and butchered what was a very promissing timeline so that we now have one that is practically the same as the one after the OT... It now really doesn`t matter if K3 is set 20 years after TSL or 20 years after the OT (leaving the whole unfortunate EU aside), does it? I wouldn`t say I hate TSL for doing that, but I certanly resent it. I still rate it as a good game but imho they took it in the completley wrong direction. Personally, I hope K3 will be set like 5-10k years after TSL and the franchise gets "another fresh start"... With some of Revans and Exiles actions having a long lasting effect on the plot so their story is tied up...

Bad idea. For one it won`t help with stabilizing the country. Secondly the death sentance is barbaric. No civilized nation practices capital punishment.

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Sweet! Looking foward to it! Might I suggest a sticky for this one... I sense potential here!

Well Im all for it but Im sad to say I reeeeeeealy doubt youll be hearing from any devs.... if they even come here anymore...