I'm not going into an argument on what defines "good" behavior.
if you don't wanna discuss- what the hell are you doing on the board?
care to enlighten me what you mean by setting up then? skywalker does not have issues with the jedi teachings, but with the organisation and relationships of the order. thats it.
that wasn't forbidden in the order. 40 years before kotor, there were two cathar who were engaged. 10 years before episode1, qui gon was engaged to another jedi master.
there are NO neutral jedi. he left the order on his own accord since he didn't feel like a jedi anymore. he made mistakes- so he left.
maybe that's what it SHOULD be- but it isnt. star wars was always about the conflict of good vs. evil. paladin vs. anti-paladin. jedi vs. sith. jedi WERE virtous- but yes, they also made individual mistakes. revan made a mistake and it cost a lot of people their lives.
yes- one on the verge of falling to the dark side. but as you might remember- he stopped himself in time.
you are twisting my words- 1. han was not a slave, he was a smuggler who owed money to a hutt crime lord. 2. skywalker gave jabba the chance to let them go- he said "you're making a big mistake, jabba". what DO you expect from someone who's trying to get a friend back?
because- as he states in his own words "i am a jedi- as my father before me". he knows that his only chance to beat the emperor is to redeem his father. this by the way is something that Lucas himself says. star wars (all six episodes) is mainly about the life of anakin skywalker / lord vader. he becomes the greatest jedi of his time- falls to the dark side - and is redeemed by the last jedi of that time, who becomes the first master of a new order
you can compare slavery to genocide if you wish- no problem with that. hutts aren't the only ones keeping slaves. the "sith culture" has been beaten down by the jedi because they were literally trying to kill everyone else- like the yuuzhan vong. slavery by the way is itself not an evil thing
you are completely misunderstanding what i have been writing about. jedi do NOT force others to see things their way. trying to do so pushes you to the dark side. trying dominating others minds in kotor and you will see at what times this gives you DS points and when it doesn't. travelling through hutt space, visiting every slave-owner and forcing them to accept YOUR GOODY GOOD JEDI VIEWS IS AN EVIL ACT. you do not use the force to do stuff like that.
jabba did not give solo the chance to pay him back. he did not accept explanations. read the books / comics between the movies and you'll see why skywalker was right about freeing solo
see- THAT is the whole point. it isn't important whether I think it's right. in their culture- it was ok. jedi use their powers for defence- never aggressively. they do not go to the hutts and say- you there! stop having slaves. they are or have been passive in that way.
as skywalker says, his school / academy is a place of action. he takes up the old principles of the jedi (old republic time) and counters threats actively instead of waiting for invitations. at the same time- he doesn't invade other peoples cultures.
see- a roman would have had no problems with this. just like so many other cultures in history. we are also talking about alien cultures in kotor, but you are involving human emotions and the principles we uphold in THIS world and THIS time. we're talking fantasy universe here, so don't forget that this is all fiction and there are billions of sentions in this fiction to whom slavery is perfectly fine.
just because you want to project your principles and thoughts on the jedi- a fictional, religious "force" wielding organization doesn't mean the jedi have to be the way you think. again, i am MERELY STATING whatever is writtin in various books and comics or what is to be seen in movies.
if it makes you feel better, i'll include quotes and point to the specific places in the sources i know.
right- i forgot. master yoda is a human being. just like many other alien masters of whom some did not even have emotions comparable to those humans might have. this isn't about "training" "brainwashing" etc. it's about a certain view of the world.
take buddhist monks in our world, if you find fiction that hard to believe. these guys can set themselves up in flames. live for years without what you might call love or anger or fear... does that make them LESS human? you have a very single-minded definition of humanity. ever been to africa? try visit that place sometime. it's like a different world. people have completely different principles. in some places, it's ok to sell your child just like selling cattle. now, is that good or bad? to you, this is wrong. but that is the same state of mind all conquerors had in history. you don't get it, do you? your principles might not be true for others.
once again- jedi have been marrying for centuries. it is NOT welcomed and it is not liked in the order as it gives way to passion and fear. yet, as jolee says- passion is not the same thing as love.
there is a certain order that has been following certain principles for thousands of years. they call themselves jedi and have a rigid set of rules. i don't know what jedi you are talking about but the ones i mean are the ones from the books, the comics, the roleplaying systems and the movies around something vaguely called "star wars"
that's the point- force traditions without the distinction didn't become nearly as powerful. it was either light side or dark side. someone following either of those became powerful. others have not. there's a reason as to why other force traditions haven't become that wide-spread.
unfortunately, they are. now, you can argue again with me on this. but again i will simply just point you to various books. take a look at "power of the jedi" and "hero's handbook" from wizards. or take a look at starwars.com if you don't believe me. i'm merely repeating what i read- no need to get upset about it.