bodrock

Unecessary addendum: I ran into a feqw glitches here and there, including one that forced me to save and reload, but other than that, no game-breakers at all.

90+ hours played in KOTOR2 says it was worth the $50, and I still plan on a 3rd playthrough..... I have ZERO interest in REPUBLIC COMMANDO.

all I want from KOTOR3 at this moment is that it be made, with plenty of development time, and for it to be in the next wave of gaming consoles (Xbox2?).....

I disagree it seems to me it is impossible to get all of your companions to change if you are DS you at least cannot be a DS master to do it. It seems that the only person who you can reverse influence is Atton. Everyone else you need to make LS choices in order to get them to gain influence with you. Once you do that there are not enough oppurtunitty's in the game to get DS points to become a DS master and still have all of the companions be Jedi. I have tried it 3 time now and it seems impossible. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I always convert them all into Jedi and I normally play DS. You can also convert them into Jedi if loose a lot of influence on them. If I want to chose LS options, to gain influence on them, then I do Nar Shadda as my second planet: there are plenty of places to gain influence on LS party members there and it leaves you a lot of time to regain DS mastery later on. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> exactly. What's a handful of LS points for influence, when corrupting them into dark jedi allows you to show your true DS colors? Sure, you gotta be nice at times, but when they fall, they do so completely. Getting Bao-Dur and Atton as dark jedi was very satsifying (especially hearing Atton's story), and pulling Disciple down too was great.

I completed KOTOR2 twice now (enjoyed both plays immensely!), and am barely holding myself back from playing a 3rd time....but figured I had so many other RPGs in the queue, I could come back to it later on. It still lingers in my thoughts, however.

poor Disciple.......so he's a goody-goody! All the more reason to corrupt him to the darkside whenever possible. I got him bottomed out, but he won't serve me as a fallen jedi, unfortunately -- I influenced Bao-dur and Atton instead, and they're maxed.

I thought the ending was fine -- reminded me of Episode V in that . I don't know what I would have liked to have seen after the last cut, but I was satisfied (reminded me of ESB here too), and immediately started my second playthrough as a DSer.

like the first one, you gotta experience the game both LS and DS, imho! I preferred DS in KOTOR1, and LS in KOTOR2 (just barely, although corrupting my party members is great fun!)

Bodee Rahk'rr, male LS sentinel/Jedi Master -- otherwise known as "tha Freak-Nasty Bodyrocker Jones" or "bodrock", a nickname and handle I've been using for years. Ayla Seraph, female DS consular/Sith Lord -- it sounded nice, and she ain't no angel. my next game will star Jahnee Bindo, male Jedi Consular -- dunno yet if he'll be neutral, light or dark, but since I miss Jolee, here's an example of what can happen when you "pull a Bindo"

FYI: KREIA LIES.

I stopped reading right there. KOTOR1 was polished? Man......KOTOR2 ain't nearly as polished as it should be either, but the first game was far from perfect if we're talking about bugs/glitches/performance. Anyway, I can't say I prefer this one to the original, but I have been hooked on this game for the last 80+ hours, forsaking all other games (and I've bought plenty to keep me busy after I'm completely done with this game). I did something similar with the first as well. I'm not disappointed -- sure, I wish the game was polished to perfection. I wish the devs hadn't been pushed for sucha quickie release date and added all the things they wanted or perfected things that they did. But as it is, it is still the most engrossing RPG I've played since the first game, including all the RPGs I own for the PS2 -- I'd say these two games rank up there with all-time console classics. As I've said before, I enjoy the story for it's darker, more introspective feel -- the first game had more of an epic feel to it, but I don't feel this one's story dulls in comparison -- I could easily see why some would prefer it. I do prefer KOTOR2's LS ending to the first game's though, and I may be the minority here. The first game's LS ending was definitely reminiscient of Episode IV, happy happy, but I preferred the DS ending. I also enjoyed roleplaying the darkside in the first game much more -- for me, Revan was a darkside female that could not be redeemed. With KOTOR2, I'm finding I enjoyed the LS a bit more -- sure, I'm getting that evil-enjoyment of perverting my party members, manipulating others, and killing lots, but for this story, I felt the story fit well with the Exile being a male lightsider, finding redemption.... I don't know if I'll be playing a 3rd time immediately after, but I plan on it eventually!

as a consular/sith lord, even with proficiency in dual-wielding, I'm still not as much of a kick-ass melee fighter as my sentinel/jedi master was, with his duelling-maxed single-hilt lightsaber (that is, she tends to lose HP much quicker up-close).....but then again, who needs a 'saber when you've mastered the Dark Side of the Force.

It's true that most of my favorites happen to be available for PC. However, since I don't enjoy gaming on my PC, it doesn't affect me. It seems to only be a factor for those attempting to justify not buying the Xbox to themselves, and that's fine. But if you think all it has to offer is PC-ports and PS2-also releases, you're talkin out yer ass. Can't wait for JADE EMPIRE. And NINJA GAIDEN is nearly perfect.

oh, And as for the I would have welcomed their help and companionship, of course, but it was still pretty sick to kick some ass all by yer lonesome.

Even if the endings are for the most part identical (from what I've read -- I'm doing DS right now, just before the Ravager), it's allzabout the JOURNEY for me. The story and the roleplaying experience has been completely different from my first playthrough as a Pillar of Light, and I think this is a big difference than KOTOR's original straight-up bullying. Sure, that means of DS-cruelty are still there, but the ability to twist your party members' emotions to make them dark jedi? There was nothing even remotely similar in the original. Sure, you could clean out your crew, but what's more evil? Killing them, or bending them to your will? It would've been nice to have HK's quest, and more sidequests for the party members, but I feel their stories and the NPCs themselves were much better integrated to this game's story. If someone misses out on the roleplaying experience of the other end of the Force spectrum -- their loss, I say. My only gripes with this game is that it needed more polish. I never experienced a game-breaking glitch/bug, and I've been playing it for about 80+ hours now.

yup. And what D Murda said.

I'm glad it sold well, even though I agree that Lucas Arts were wrong in rushing the game out. May KOTOR III be more polished, and have more development time. I love the game as is, but it could have been PERFECT, imho.

yup, manipulate them with influence, then when they're ready, twist their emotions into hate to bend them to your will -- great stuff

I'd say no -- KOTOR2 is and should mainly be about the Exile.

Awright! I have the record: 81hr29min. It seems like I went straight through; at "Normal" difficulty I only got killed, like, three times (didn't lose any NPCs) but: A. I ain't in no hurry (what's the hurry?) B. I creep around in slo-mo planting mines a lot. C. I talk to about everybody and sightsee. D. I play a lot a pazaak (win more than I lose, mostly) E. I tried swoop racing a lot (I suck at swoop racing so much DirtDevil offered to sponsor my bike!) F. I spent tons of time messing around with the workbench (turns out I didn't need to at "Normal" but I'm glad for all the new options now that I'm wading through at "Difficult.") <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'm glad I'm not the only one taking my time, and soaking it all in.....

That always seems to be the fallback defense for people. For every fanboy, there needs to be someone to equal it out, unless the game is truely good, then there's not nearly enough to equal. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> fallback defense? I'm just saying why hate when you could appreciate something else. But it sounds like you feel it's your duty to balance things out, so go right ahead.

O ffs this is ridiculous... You get Force Crush as a DS Sith Lord prestige class special only... Did you by any chance skip a few convo's? <_< <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I played a Marauder and got Force Crush so I don't know wtf you're talking about. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You get Crush for all Sith classes. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> suh-WEET

Yeah, this is my first time through at "Difficult" and my arsenal is woefully understocked. I'm currently stuck trying to get through the poison gas bar on Citadel Station. I think I prob'ly shoulda built my lightsaber before going in, but I hit "let's go" w/o thinking and now the game won't let me back into the 'Hawk until I'm done. Last night I managed to get all the way through the Red Room only to get mobbed and killed by a bunch a gerbils at the blastdoors to the first green room. Gerbils! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> lol DAMN gerbils! I picked up my lightsaber b4 goin to Nar Shaddaa (I wanted to be sure I had Disciple and a lightsaber before I went too, for influence purposes!) -- quickest way I found is to go to the Jedi Enclave on Dantooine and save Jerron (salvager/jerk), so he'll sell you two (of the 3) parts of yer lightsaber (aka jedi "relics"), and then fix yer alignment to trigger Visas (I believe it needs to be 75% in either direction -- you'll know by the cutscene), and head back to the Ebon Hawk to take her on (I needed help -- thankfully Bao-Dur was nearby to back me up!) to get a lens, the final part. For your second playthrough, what's your setup? My first was LS sentinel/Jedi (pimp)master male with Revan as a DS female -- this time, it's DS consular/marauder(?) female with Revan as a LS male.

wurd

nice! yeah, When all else fails, I always fallback, pump with stims, and start lobbing grenades, and/or run-n-gun -- I always keep a decent arsenal!