Revan Si-Darlo

Truth is, the studios are biased towards lightside males because that's what the movies are about. However, this doesn't mean a thing so long as the KOTOR series allows the player to choose the endings of the previous games. Until they pull the Jedi Outcast trick on us there's no real official ending. Though, I do have to say, the lightside ending at least, male or not, makes the most sense at least for Revan considering that the Star Forge is destroyed in the cannon universe one way or another (databank).

Once again, I disagree. We already know that Anakin is the Chosen One hence making him the most powerful Force user anyway . Second of all, power does not necessarily meen sheer prowess in the Force. And I'm not going to take a Mandalorian's opinion on Jedi that seriously considering they know very little of the Force. Not that I don't respect them, but they look on the Jedi as little more than magicians. Yes, though not as powerful as Anakin Solo. Also, he has a tendency to be timid in his use of the Force, at least in the beginning and then he gets over it a little bit.

So many choices... ugh... Jolee... Aychkay... Jolee... Aychkay... NO! Must choose! I guess I have to go with the most eccentric non-organic since Marvin the Paranoid Android... Aychkay Forteeseven (or HK-47 depending on whether you're going phonetic or not). I decided on the droid mainly because he can never be serious which makes him all the more ridiculous and the idea of a homicidal assassin droid masquerading as a protocol droid is just too good to resist...

I'm not too interested in a non-human NPC but it wouldn't be any better or worse really. And of course it would be stupid to make an individual model for each NPC, but more alien models would be good considering how few of them there are and how many human models there are.

I don't really agree. I certainly don't like Vrook but I think he's more of a fundamentalist Jedi than a villain. He is really, really anal about the Code and his interpretation of it but he doesn't really mean harm. He simply doesn't trust those eager youngsters . You know, I enjoyed that too in spite of my lightsided self. That's why I voted that way. All the same he didn't really deserve to die. I was just happy that what was left of the Council wasn't going to suck me dry of the Force out of fear for the unknown. And really, if you think about it, Vrook isn't that much different from many of the Jedi in the Prequels.

"Revan was Power - it was like staring into the Heart of the Force. Even then, I could see the Jedi he'd slay etched on his soul" <{POST_SNAPBACK}> That has more to do with what happened to Revan at Malachor and during the Jedi Civil War than it does with his innate power.

Strange, I never thought the Trandoshans looked paperish. I rather liked how they were done. Oh, well, maybe I didn't notice or maybe you played PC and its different there... What about Twi'leks? Actually, though, it would be kind of cool if in KOTOR 3 (which they would be insane not to make considering the money opportunities there) you had a female Wookiee on your party. I've always wondered what they look like... Don't forget Wookiees! Heh. In any case, the chances are good KOTOR 3 will have improvements. After all, look at how much TSL improved variety. There's about one Quarren in the entire game of KOTOR and that's on Taris. You never see any[/g] Gran or Trandoshans (at least that's what I remember and I've played it pretty recently) and they even use the extra Revan models you aren't using for NPCs. If that's not lame I'm not sure what it is. Not to say that either game is bad or anything :D.

I'm sorry, but Revan is not the most powerful Jedi. The Exile is more powerful than him as is Bastila, Anakin, Yoda, Vandar, and Luke. He is a cunning and able Force user but he has no special qualities. He is merely average for a Jedi. The Exile on the other hand posseses such powerful bonding that he can: 1) Form a bond so strong it is lethal unless broken (which it is if you try and redeem Kreia. Or at least that's my explanation of KOTOR's LS ending). 2) Be severed from the Force because of the pain caused by his bonds. 3) Warp the alignment of others with his bonds. 4) Become a hole in the Force because of his bonds and the above effects of them. Infact, I'm a little suprised he's not on the chart. But nonetheless he isn't the most powerful either. I'm sure Yoda is stronger and I know that Anakin has the potential to become stronger although that potential is weakened by his fall. Therefore I vote Anakin. Oops. Just realizes I was using "he" instead of "s/he" as the pronoun for both Revan and the Exile. Well... guess that's just my bias showing .

Hence the scarcity of female Mandalorians... :ph34r: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Heh, are you kidding? Reason you don't see many female Mandalorians is because the males stay away from this as much as possible . Male Mandalorians are scared of those women Mandalorians. I mean, can you imagine a woman with the body build of Canderous? Shock and horror.

Good luck. Hope you're not seriously underestimating the work it'll take to make it good. It's been a real load working on the KOTOR graphic novel. Speaking of which, if you can draw western style as well as eastern style, maybe you'd like to take a look at my little production.

I'm one of those few people who likes TSL more than KOTOR. Reasons: 1) I agree that TSL was hurt by Lucasart's stupid deadlines but even so the dialogue and the storyline are better than KOTOR all the way to the end (I think Malachor is much more interesting than the Star Forge even if it is a bit confusing). 2) TSL's characters are cooler and more three-dimensional. Furthremore, you have to work more to get a romance instead of simply gaining experience. I'm always confused when people say the KOTOR romances are more realistic. 3) TSL is unique it doesn't play, look, or sound like a regular Star Wars game. I was fascinated with Kreia and really felt sad when she turned on me. It was much darker than anything else in Star Wars outside of perhaps some NJO books I haven't read yet (much darker than even ROTS looks like) and amazingly it accomplished all this while playing in a universe where the Sith are supposedly dead and gone, giving it a much more shadowy feel. Love that. Of course, this is all my opinion so everyone is entitled to their own.

Ah sithspit. There goes ncr again on her (I assume she's a her though she might not be, you never know) crusade against Obsidian. Personally I like TSL better than KOTOR but that's just my opinion. Oh, and yes, sorry to break it to you but it has Jedi, Star Wars in the title, lightsabers, and droids. It's Star Wars . Anyhow.... Back to the topic at hand. Mira :p Bothan stunners? Half-starving me? What can I say... I like wild women .

Revan Si-Darlo is standing over a great drop with no apparent purpose standing back, hoping Vader won't kill him who just sliced off his hand. Vader: No, Revan. You are a Star Wars nerd... Revan's face is filled with horror and pain. Revn: Nooooooo! It isn't possible! Vader: Look into your feelings, Revan, you know it to be true! Revan's face feels with realization and horror at the same time. Vader thrusts his fist out and clenches it with power. Vader: Join me, Revan, and we can rule the galaxy as kick@$$ Sith Lord and nerd! Revan shakes his head and looks down at the drop. Then, rather than turning to the dark side and joining Vader despite learning that they share in nerdiness he leaps from the scaffolding and tumbles down to what-should-be-his-death but he survives anyway for plot convenience. etc, etc, etc... Actually, it all depends what you call a Star Wars nerd. If you ask if I love Star Wars, then yes, I do love it. I love the world, the setting, the action-paced adventures. However, if you ask if I would buy something just because it was in the Star Wars universe than no. I'm not like that. I buy things I think I'll enjoy.

Update: Some jobs are now filled. I have four potential artists, a web designer, and two photographers. However... it would still be good to have some more artists, if anyone here feels as though they have a talent in art. Furthermore, I really do need those Aychkay conversation regarding his past jobs and such (I have everyone's backstory but his, though I know he doesn't have much of one in KOTOR having lost much of his memory). And I need the conversation where Jolee is told to go to Manaan. Somehow these things were the only things that slipped my grasp (except for perhaps a few NPC conversations. I only got a few of those but I'll let it go at that point).

About Nar Shadaa.... eh, Atton says when you go there that Nar Shadaa orbits Nal Hutta (the second homeworld of the Hutts, who according to their legends came from another world). Interesting fact, which reveals that Nar Shadaa isn't even a planet but rather a moon. By the time of the movies it is known as the Smuggler's Moon. Also, the map doesn't give completely accurate information because that I recently read that around the time of KOTOR most of the galaxy known to the Republic was only in the "slice" (I believe between the Perlemian Trade Route and Corellian Run). So keep in mind that the Unknown Regions are much larger during this time period and even include some Core Worlds.

*sigh*... Must I bring up the story of Dooku's fall again? Or Ulic's for that matter? The two can't be balanced. Like I said, you can get close, but there is no neutral balance. Besides, it's just not in human nature. I never really thought of Daoism as apathetic until recently, when I read some of Lao Tzu's works. They talk about how you cannot try to change the world for the better or fight against evil because in the end, you'll only worsen things. If that's not apathetic I don't know what it is. It's not intentionally apathetic, surely, but it is apathetic. Yes, it is. If you don't take sides at all, not even subconsciously, than you are apathetic. That's the definition, uncaring. Actually, I really like the NJO books. I've read several (though not close to all) and am looking forward to the next one. And if you ask me neither Luke nor Kyp Durron are looking for "neutral ground". They're simply looking for different ways to serve the light, even if one or the other might be wrong.

Actually... sorry to break it to you, but unlike everyone else here I don't think that's a good idea. It is interesting though, I'll grant you that, but it would never work for several reasons you haven't taken into accunt. First of all, yes it adds more complexity like Azure said but there's much more to it than that. First of all, neutral people tend to be boring. I've never liked Daoism which is pretty apathetic. I don't like extremes but simply treading the middle ground is worse. Ironically, it was Kreia who said "apathy is death". More importantly, I've already explained in the "How did it start?" thread that the dark side and light side cannot peacefully coexist in one being. In the end you have to accept one or the other. Some would point to Kreia and Jolee as examples that neutrality does work but they're not really. Take Jolee. After the Great Sith War he abandoned the Order because he was convinced that they were too forgiving for his crimes. He blamed himself for the deaths of dozens of Jedi who fell to his wife. He wanted to be punished. And, so his bitterness slowly fed the darkness within him. He did not fall however because he did not embrace his resentment and self-doubt and instead found a new cause in the Wookiees and later in Revan. He was as close to being neutral really as is possible without falling to the dark side. Now look at Kreia. After Sion and Nihilus ripped the Force from her she wandered the galaxy, once again filled with the self-doubt that had filled her when her apprentice Revan had fallen to the dark side (look in the Chronicles). Now she was unsure whether the answer to her questions and doubt lay in the dark side and began to become more inwardly. She returned to her nature, her belief in chaos over order, opportunism over compassion. None of these qualities are in themselves evil. However, she also lost trust in others thanks to her experience with betrayal and so became more concerned with her existence than that of others... that is... until she met the Exile. As a result she acts selfishly, cruelly, and decievingly. These qualities can be, to a small extent, considered small evils. She was therefore as close to neutral as is possible without being redeemed.

I'm shocked and ashamed. I feel wounded being a male myself... No, really, I think Mira and the Handmaiden are interesting characters. Even Visas has some interesting aspects though not as many as the other two. And really, I've heard the same things said about KOTOR so its not as if this is a new issue or anything.

You know... the thought never crossed me but now you have me convinced that Kreia is the same as Kae. Frankly, that actually makes a lot of sense now that you think of it. As usual I have to go into detail about how the Force messes this whole age issue up. First of all, though humans on average in the Star Wars universe follow the same life cycle as humans in our present time, Force users are an exception. The dark side wages war on the body of its users, aging them. This is but one explanation for the fact that Kreia doesn't look to be in her 60s, a prime age for a late birth such as Mara Jade's of Ben Skywalker. Second of all, take in mind that Kreia was supposed to be beautiful. It is a known fact that many women who are physically attractive throughout their childbearing years (teens to late forties possibly) quickly age after they begin to go into menopause. This is yet another explanation for why Kreia looks like she's in her sixties. Third of all, back on the Force issue, in the same way that the dark side degrades a body the light side enhances it. Sense, by the time taht Kreia is fifty she might still look like she's in her late 30s. Strange, but true :s. Eh... I'm curious. Where did you get this information?

Long post, but unless it was created by anyone from LucasArts affiliates, Obsidian during production of TSL, or Bioware during production of KOTOR than it is not official. Also, regarding the faces that is with every possible portrait. If you choose any portrait all the other portraits or many of them will appear as various non-talking NPCs in the game. This counts for all female Revans and all male Revans, for all female Exiles and all male Exiles. Furthermore, the reason they used the bald guy for the poster is because they had to use somebody. They couldn't simply show all the possible Exiles on the poster and they weren't going to make a couple dozen different posters just because some people would complain. So no, the poster is not an official thing. I mean, come on, it shows a male Exile but has the disciple in both posters . That by itself shows the poster has no relevance to the storyline. Sorry.

I hat to say it but you're a little too trusting of the Sith and seem to have little understanding of the dark side. Let's see... a good comparison to the dark side is the One Ring in LOTR (wouldn't be suprised if that was an influence on Lucas' writing). The Force, dark and light, both have almost a soul. They have no real consciousness but they have various desires and fears. The light side embraces kindness, healing, protection, caution. The dark side embraces cruelty, pain, death, and recklessness. They are two poles of the Force. You cannot use one without being influenced by these qualities. Unlike in the KOTOR and Dark Forces/Jedi Knight series you cannot for example use Force Lightning whenever you will it and resist the temptations of evil. You will eventually fall and though atonement is possible, it is unlikely. The dark side is also far more seductive than the light side. The reason for this is that the galaxy is a painful place and its easier to wish to cause pain on those who hurt you than to forgive them. Taking vengeance and acting cruelly causes a Force-user to fall closer to the dark side. The light side on the other hand is more passive and this is the reason for the Jedi's usual stance as neutral keepers of the peace. There is an example of this temptation. There was an immensely powerful Jedi who was considered a pinnacle of the Jedi teachings and Code. However, he became convinced that the Republic was growing corrupt and that the Jedi in service to it could not serve it without further being corrupted. He began to doubt his own teachings and finally left the Order and began to experiment with the dark side in the hope that a balance could be achieved between light and dark, a balance he could use to save the galaxy. In time he even became convinced he was the Chosen One. His name was Count Dooku. You on the other hand are vastly oversimplifying human nature. I'll agree that many people who commit atrocities know some of what they are doing and greed may be a motive but they often find ways to convince themselves as well as others that there is a justification for their misdeeds. People who commit atrocities and don't justify them eventually go crazy with guilt. And if they don't have to justify them than they lack a conscience and an ability to tell right from wrong and hence are clinically insane already. Furthermore, remember that our ideas of right and wrong are not universal. Many ideals are based on circumstances of environment, neighboring influences, and basic instinct. For example, most would consider killing people who surrendered to be a heinous crime in modern society. However, the Japanese samurai, Viking raiders, and Mongol warriors thought nothing of it. Yet many of these people were caring, loving people who otherwise lived what we would consider "good" lives. This is because of how their culture evolves. The thing about the dark side is that it in the end is something that transforms somebody into pure evil, a person who revels in pain and suffering. Some, like Anakin or Ulic may start off with noble goals but they are nonetheless transformed into monsters by the dark side's power. These people could be considered insane if not for the fact that it is the dark side acting through them, not themselves. The dark side is hard to resist but it can be done, hence how Anakin threw his life away for Luke in Return of the Jedi.

I preferred the interface of KOTOR II, but I, like LadyCrimson here, prefer the color blue as a color.

Personally, I agree with you. There is no officially cannon Revan or Exile. However.... In the Chronicles a mistake was apparently made by one of the writers (though I've never seen this pointed out) that clearly points Revan out as a male. I'm not saying this makes it cannon but the truth is that it seems that Obsidian Entertainment at least unofficially views Revan as a man.

Let me just say I hated none of the worlds. In fact, with a few exceptions I loved them all. They all had a unique feel to them. However, if I had to choose I'd easily go with Nar Shardaa or Taris (about a tie there). There is just something incomprehensibly wonderful about towering mountain-high skyscrapers... In terms of environment, history, and culture though I have to say KOTOR II gave me an irreversible interest in Onderon and its history. I mean, how can a planet with such cultural divisions, Byzantine conspiracies, and Sith Lords not be interesting. Plus, Dxun, which kind of counts as Onderon being they're moon and planet, was really interesting too (I enjoyed getting along with Mandalorians this time round). In addition, I did not dislike Peragus or Malachor like most of the people here. I thought Peragus was a wonderful and unique introduction to the TSL universe that struck me as more like something out of the Alien movies than the Original Trilogy. I love seeing that dark side of Star Wars (and the music ), And, in terms of Malachor, I admit that the level seemed a little confusing but I just kind of filled in the blank spaces that were cut out with my own imagination (easy for me I guess, I'm that kind of person that fills in plot holes). And you have to admit that Malachor wasn't really any less interesting than the Star Forge. In fact, I'd dare say that in terms of background Malachor is more interesting as it seems to be an interesting and mysterious world. An unknown Sith Academy, a surface that destroyed the armies of the Mandalorians, held together at this point only through the dark side... Anyhow, that's just my 10 cents.

Keep in mind that the level system is a rather simplified version of gaining experience. In real life, the Exile would probably still be at Level 8 or 10 by the end of the game. People don't learn that fast. But the point is that the game wouldn't be fun if you did it that way. RPGs are meant to be fun, not precisely life-like. It does simulate life closely enough that you can imagine would it would be realistically. For example, in the case of Atton and other Jedifiable NPCs, take in mind that the Exile certainly never completes their training. Consider them still a lowly padawans by the end of the game, padawans that must learn like Luke Skywalker in the Original Trilogy to learn based on their own experience instead of that of the teachings of the Jedi. Perhaps that's why there's so many differences between the Order of the Prequels and the Order of the Jedi Civil War.