Volourn

Maple Leafs suck. You auto lose the argument.

"Troika happy with the sales of Bloodlines." Can you prove the lack of BL sales was the reason for Troika's downfall? I bet the reason for their downfall goes MUCH deeper than that. And, oh, unless BIO folds within the same timeframe that Troiak did after BL was released, you lose. I believe Troika lasted 6 months or so after BL.. BIo, 6 months after JE's release, are still going strong. 1 announced game officially, and two (unnamed_ xbox 360 games). Nope. Tryin' to comapre the two companies' situations falls short. Troika, it ncould be argued, was trying to save a sinking ship. Last I checked, BIo is surely not sinking. "You don't know that. Please list to me all of the games that have sold 500k copies so I can verify your information." Proof me wrong. Show me a game that has sold 500k copies within 6 months that was considered a bomb. In fact, show my 5 to at least show a trend as we all know there are exceptions to every rule. The fact that you cna't name even one off hand says it all. P.S. JE is likely not the exception here but nice try. R00fles!

It has everything to do with it. The Old NHL = a Messier filled NHL with lots of heart. The New NHL = No Messier, and no heart. The Moose IS THE rEAL gREAT oNE.

"Perhaps those officers placed more import on the safety of their families rather than their jobs..." Then they shouldn't be police officers if they can't handle the toughest part of their jobs. No one said policing was an easy career. Then again, NOPD officers showed theya re absolutely pathetic human beings who only care about themselves. I spit on their cowardice, and I praise the NYPD officers who sowed how dealing with a crisis should be handled by those who have such tough responsibilities.

500k sales. That says it all.

I have hardcore proof. 500k copies sold for a game has NEVR been considered a bomb. Period. Your comment that some companies in the past have lied is not proof of the BIO rep lying; but proof that he *may* have lied which is not proof at all. 500k copies sold = good until someone proves otherwise.

As sad as this disaster is; people ar eover hyping it. At last count, not even 1k people have died. That's not to put lightly those who have died as one dead is never good; but people made this seem like the entire world was collasping. It isn't. One city poorly managed by an incompetent mayor, and FEMA being run retardedly is why the disaster was as bad as was; but nowhere as bad asome claim it was. I'm still waiting for the 10s of thouands of bodies that the mayor promised me. I sure as heck don't see 'em. And, every single NO police officer should be fired. They were pathetic. Long live the NYPD who show how a city's police should handle a crisis. Mother Nature was to blame; but theose who live in NO, and those who supposedly 'ran' NO did their jobs so pathetically it's so pathetic. I feel sorry for the innocent No citizens who had to suffer with whiny useless mayor, an inept police department, and the scum who came out of hiding to comment hideous crimes during the crisis. Meh.

Simple. 500k copies sold does not a bomb make. I have NEVER heard of one game selling half a million copies in 6 months, and be considered a bomb. Yet all of asudden, JE is a bomb. What's funny is by the time this thread reaches 40 pages, JE would ahve sold another 100k copies. Then another. Then another. Show me evdience that that the BIO rep was just doing a 'marketing schitz'. I shall await for your hard evidence.

Nice try. It's also a fact that someone saying something is true doens't make it false either so no this doens't mean the BIo rep was 'lying' in the article. Once again, nice try; but try harder to bring actual PROOF to the thread.

Yes, it does. Without Messier, the NHl has lost the BEST player ever. That automatically makes it lose lots of its shiniess. P.S. Gretzky and Lemiux fnaboys can shove their PPG averages up their behinds as it emans nothing to me. Those two are one dimnesional (greta albeit) players. Mess is a total package - leadership, defense, toughness, offense, and a player who automatically makes those players areound him better: see Graves, Adam.

And? your point being what? People can call me whatever they want. It still doesn't make what they say true. Anyone who has actually paid any attention to my posts regarding Bioware would know the facts. Afterall, most fanboys aren't called scum because theya re too mean, afterall. R00fles! I'm still waiting for actual PROOF that 500k sales for JE makes it a bomb or a 'dissapointment'. Even after 35 pages no such luck. Go figure.

Nonsense. I LOVED the hockey of the alst 10 years. It wasn't slow nor it was boring. Scoring 10 goals in a game won't make it more intertesting; it'll just make goals less important. Though, I for one, don't see goals increasing all that dramatically. NHL coaches for the most part won't allow it to happen because they simply can't afford to.

EA, of course. 2K is overrated though I have yet to play the 2006 versions. i must agree, however, that EA 2005 NHL was pretty crappy.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Another reason to hate the new NHL! Bah. 2005-2006 is gonna be the worst season EVAR!

Let the fellow have his fun. It's not even worth a 1/100th of a second to press the report button. R00fles!

Of course, it's highly doubtful that PST sold 500k units in the first 6 months of release either. R00fles! However, it is true, sales themselves are only a piece of puzzle. Only BIO, and MS know how much JE was amde for. BIO seems to be happy with sales. I doubt they'd be happy if the game lost money. I'd need actual proof before I take someone's word that BIO is just pretendding to be ahppy.

No. But, there are 'ninja like' npcs later on. Maybe. LOL

He is? KILL HIM. Update: Working on it; but working is slow because certain things are ANNOYING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Update 2: Expect an update (a small one) by tomorrow.

Interesting thread.

For Alanshu: Volourn Quotes: 1. "I doubt it'll sell as much as the KOTORs, and NWNs in BIoland." http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?sh...pic=16951&st=30 Sadly, I didn't feel like continuing the search to find my prediction of 500k exactly; but this illustrates that I expected to sell this than the mentioned games. If I had more time to waste, I'd do a deeper search; but 'proving' what I state pre release to you is not high on my priorty. You cna doa deeper search yourself. R00fles!

"Bioware doesn't make fluff games where 500k sales "exceed expectations" (your words, not Bioware's)." Did I say JE exceeded expecations? Proof please. In fact, my point is that BIO has stated quite clearly (in the linked article) that they are SATISIFED with JE's sales. This is undisputable. "Wrong. No where in the article does it say that Jade Empire has surpassed expectations. I suggest you read it again." Again, nowhere do i remember saying that JE exceeded expectations. I suggest you rea dmy post on this issue again. All I pointed out was that JE did not bomb, and BIO seems happy with JE's performance. Just because I make the argument that JE didn't fail to meet expectations does not automatically mean that I feel the opposite that it exceeded expecations. "Couldn't find it. Is this where I do what you do and start screaming "proof" and assume you're just making that statement up?" Scream all I want. Since we're posting on the 'net in different cities, I doubt I'd hear you. As for the statement in question, it exists. Perhaps, typing 'Jade Empire' in the search option can find it. Heck, I might as well waste a couple of minutes. You cna also check other boards like BIO, or the Codex for my old posts about the subject. "Another baiting to report?" Not a bait. I hate fishing, afterall. Report if you must though. I'll survive.

LOL And, no, Roshan won't enjoy KOTOR. It's a Bioware game.

"Dave Gaider didn't comment on Jade Empire because he didn't work on the game. Neverwinter Nights and Dragon Age are his babies. But by your logic, I guess Dragon Age is probably hoping for roughly 500k in sales too." DA doesn't hope for anything. It's a game. It doesn't have concious though. On the other hand, BIO does (haha!) so whatever their expectations are for the game is what it is. Why don't you post on the BIO baords and point blank ask them how much (ball park) sales do they expect with DA pre release then we can contrast and compare afterwards. Then again, this threa disn't about whether or not DA has surpassed its expectations. It's about whether or not JE has. And, according to the BIO rept in linked article, it has. Game over. Now, if everyone in this thread for some odd reason expect JE to sell 1 million + copies then YOUR expectations weren't meant (and were wholly unrealistic as well) and are totally ireelavnt. I called the fact that JE would likely sell around 500k copies well before release. Do a search for evidence of this if you dare. I win, again. "Also, don't chastize IGN for saying they expect the 4th game to be the "inevitable" FPS (not 100% certainty like you said), and then say Jade Empire 2 is a guarantee." JE2 has been confirmed officially by MS the publisher. BIO has pretty much stated it as well in every way; but in neon colours.

"If they were very much satisfied with the sales, they wouldn't have added the "for a new property" qualifier." Nonsense. The qualifier just illustrates that realizing it was a new IP; BIO didn't expect millions of sales. They knew it wouldn't sell as much as BG-NWN-KOTOR, and so going by that logic; the budget they likely set for JE was made so they could *at least* cover what kind of sales they were expecting. "Booyah game over word up period!" Booyah! Game over. I win. You lose. Period. R00fles!