Volourn

Like others mentioned, NWN2 is going to likely give options of what camera you use. It's not set to a single one. It would be completely silly if Obsidian takes away such a feature to a sequel using the same enegine as its predecessor. I presume to give the benefit of doubt to Obsidian to use logic in this case. P.S. 1st person is not immersive. It is the least immersive perspective I have EVER seen in games. EVER.

Darowisee, you could just use sleep against the lone goblin. Magic missle is 1d4+1 damage at first level guarnateeing you 2 damage minimum. A sleep spell automatically puts kobolds or goblins asleep allowing you to kill them immediately no risk to you risk to yourself. "Dead hard fight, as trolls are difficult to melee to death (they auto-regenerate hitpoints), which is when magic missiles were pretty damn useful." You don't fight trolls at 1st level, and trolls are immune to sleep so of course you would use magic missle against trolls as opposed to sleep, silly goose. Trolls had tens of hit points anyways so even a magic missle at 5th level (3d4+3_ would not kill them. On top of that, you likely also had fireball and the like. Remember folks, we are talking about the 1st level mage; not a higher level mage using 1st level spells. Afterall, sleep becomes absolutely useless at higher levels. Come on, people. THINK. "the quick strike capability of MM is often invaluable, including 1st level." 90% of 1st level spells had a casting speed of 1. They were all quick striking. Again, there is numeircal proof that there were damaging spells more deadly than magic missle at 1st level.

We're talking for a level wizard. Anyone who thinks magic missle is the top 1st level spell for a wizard st level is on crack. 1d4+1 damage isn't even best purely dmaging spell a wizard has at that level. Mr. cooke is probably referring to magic missle used by wizards at higher than level 1 when the spell gets stornger and does become the best offensive spell. I'm talking about a 1st level wizard. Please don't troll when you don't know what you are talking about. Game over. What's really funny is when one wasting time talking about those who think they know D&D when they don't. (w00t) 1d4 damage spell is the best 1st level spell a 1st level wizard cna have? Hahaha. i'm sure Mr. Cook would be embarassed you to completely misread and twist his words up like that. R00fles!

The devs aren't paid to post; their paid to develop. They owe us *nothing*.

Just the ones I know off: BIO, yours (which from what I know along with BIO boards is the source), this one, the Codex, and Mistress' Lair. That's 5. That's a decent number.

"Volourn I understand what you are saying and agree your view has merit but I was thinking of the P&P adventures I have played where my low level mage always had a lower kill total than the low level fighters and clerics in the party." It's not always aboutd etah count. Afterall, under normal circumstance, a group of goblins (let's say 6- would be deadly for a group of 1st level adventurers. That is until a 1st level mage casts sleep and over half (if not all) the goblins are asleep. Sure, the warriors might get 'the kill'; but it is the wizard who struck the real death blow. If that's not useful; no one knows what is. And, why mem magic missle? At 1st level, it is the worst spell ever. There are better offensive spell chocies at that time. Armour is a good chocie and would give your mage a decent ac. Why use magic missle when a sling is almost as good (same dmaage but you actually have to hit). Tsk, tsk. It's not like I'm saying the mage is unbeatbale at 1st level; but he is far from 'weak' or useless' unless all you look at is hit points. But, if you do that, he's weak at every level.

"You just want to be a moderator over at the codex so you can get your title removed from under your name. " Eh. I want that title. I earned that title. The Codex said that I'd never be able to achive that title. I proved them wrong.

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"This is very poor marketing from Atari." Really? This thread is now 4 pages long. This topic has also been passed along to various websites. Seems to me for Dragonshard being a 'crappy game' these two colourless screenshots sure are getting the masses talking. That, mon ami, is the very defintion of good marketing - get people talking about your product.

"Play one football computer game and you have pretty much played them all." Play one RPG and you have pretty much played them all. Seriously, the variety of football games is as variant as there are role-playing games. There's a reason why some football games are considered classic (Madden, Techmo) and others are forgotten as quickly as possible. All one has to do is play the first Madden and then play the most recent to tell the HUGE difference between the two. 'Nough said.

He was 82. It was his time. He gave Earth a bunch of laughs; and now it's time for him to do the same for Heaven, Hell, Wazoo, or wherever the afterlife (if there is one) leads him.

Ellester, are you kididng? Darque is awesome; but she loves to argue as well. And, Ender would be a horrible mod. Everyone who would disagree with him would be auto harassed the banned by him if he got his way! I'll stick with Shadowstrider as he at least knows how to be a moderator. Why would anyone want to be a moderator on aboard like this, anyways? I'd rather mod the Codex 'cause at least it would be fun!

"No, the developers were" of course you fail to mention that there were multiple developers for the game, and the only Ubisoft wnated out of the game was to be able to beat NWN to amrket so they claim to have 'the first 3E D&D CRPG ever'. We also saw how that abckfired. Sure, the devs have to accept blame; but so does the publisher. Nice try, though. "Which games are those? Developed in-house by EA, that is." Though Ender answered this alreayd, it doens't what games of EA's they published or devloped. The bottom line is EA has created or helped create some of the best games ever. They would not be where they are if they hadn't. The fans want them to be this successful as the fans' money as spoken loud, and clear.

"Psst, Volourn. He said a rat, not a rabbit." Ok. He got me there. LOL That ends all argument. "Here you take into account the attributes of the character by saying mages get spell slots from intelligence.." As are you when you suggest that your fighters never had a thac0 of 20. And, wow, your rogues must have had very high strength or they never used melee and always stuck with their bow. Still, I'm waiting for you to prove that a 1st level wizard is a wuss compared to fighters. The only thing you bring up are their lack of hit points which is silly since wizards will *always* have low hit points in comparison to other classes. It's a weakness; but it is by no chance terminal. Still have yet to hear successfully argue against the various spells like sleep or the fact that a 1st level mage can kill a 1st level fighter in one hit too.

Yes.

Please. MS was fined billions of dollars. It was all aboyt the gov't stealing a legit company's money. I also like the way you put 'breaks up' in brakcets. Basically it punishes a company for being successful at delivering what costumers want. There would be no EA or MS in existence if the customers didn't want them. Period. And, this talk of 'lack of creativity' about EA is nonsense and, in facts, insults anot only EA and their wonderfully creative games; it also insults gamers like Enderwiggin and mkreku who buy and play their games. It's also silly how you complain about EA's having the NFL license for gaming yet seem to jump up for joy when Take Two gains the rights to the MLB games. What's good for one is good for the other, imo.

"I just remember that if even so much as a rat nibbled on my mage he flopped over dead. He would not withstand a single hit from anything. Volourn keeps mentioning all these spells the mages have to choose from. What he fails to mention is that a level 1 mage has 4 spell slots to use (at least in 2E). Not much room for anything but sleep and magic missile, unless you're willing to rest after every battle." 1. Rabbits don't attack mages. 2. A mage has one spell in 2E + 1 depending on intelligence + 1 if specialzied 3. A sleep spell is ALL a wizard needs in 2E against a warrior. Afterall, in 2E sleep offers NO SAVE. A sleeping warrior = death. 4. Any 1st level wizard who memorizes magic missle at level one has shown to lack of the intleligence to be a wizard and deserves to die to a rabbit. Why the heck would a wizard memorize 1d4+1 dmaage spell when better offesnive spells cna be had? This just shows where you are coming from - a lack of knowledge. I lost count of how many dead warriors I've seen because they bragged 'oh, it's just a 1st level wizard' lol. 5. You don't need to rest. You keep bragging how a wizard cna die in one hit - big deal. A wizard could concievably kill a 1st leevl warrior in one hit. And, all classes have thac0s of 20 to begin. In 3e, the wizard's power is even increased from 2e so no worries there. Come on, people. Play D&D before saying silly things like this.

EA sin't even close to a monoply. Not even close. And, if the courts try to take them down it will like MS all over again. The gov't stealing money from a legit business.

GO EA GO! P.S. Isn't Ubisoft the company responsible for turning a classic D&D module into an absolute mockery with POR2? I have no mercy for them. P.S.S. EA would be doing all us gamers a favour by buying US and throwing it in the trash where it belongs.

Sleep is one spell. And, elves aren't immune to it in 2e though I believe they ar ein 3E. And, yes, characters get saves but warriors and rogues will save sucks. And, in 2E, there wa sno save at all. And,a first level mage cna likely have as good an ac as a 1st level fighter. And, why would a mage have only 4 hit points espicially in 3E? Have you heard of spells like mage armour and shield? Come on, people. Use your imaginations and the darn rule book. Other useful and under appreicated 1st level wizard spells foir low level wizards: Colour Spray, Ray of Enfeeblement (makes warriors have no strnegth to even move in their armour), Spider Climb, Grease, and the list could go on. Anyone who thinks a wizard is weak at 1st level just because of low hit points simply isn't looking at the big picture and doens't udnerstand D&D at all. Sure, a wizard has a chance to be killed; but guess what? He can as easily kill the fighter as the fighter cna kill him.

Low level wizards are not 'wimpy'. I cna take out any low level character playing a mage with one simple spell. So can anyone playing a wizard. It's not rocket scientist either. Why do people propagate this false myth?

"This argument must be the dumbest ever, and if the moderators can't see the trolling in this.. Geez. I mean, why keep naming top quality titles to a moron who will, regardless if he has played the game or not, claim it's bad? No matter which game you mention, the moron will still say it's bad." Stop trolling. This statement is false. See Meta's mention of Ultimae. And, oh, you are reported for trolling.

Bring. It. On. Of course, Ender forgets to emntion thyat nobody has given proof that BIo thought all the special editions would be sold through pre orders. Afterall, he linked to On Line Store hocking their Pirate PM; not proof. As for the European thing, it's not my fault no one cna think of even one good European game. Don't balem me for Europe's failure to deliver an actual good game. R00fles! P.S. Hades, BIo didn't think that. Foolish people who actually thought a new Ip would sell as much as KOTOR. People keep claiming that BIO is mainstream; they are not. You make a role-playing game that isn't FF or Diablo or DnD; then yo aren't mainstream. Period. BIO's rep and fan base is relatively big comapred to other RPG makers; but compared to the real big boys in Gaming land; not even close. That is all.

Probabaly true about basketball; but not hockey except maybe the 2005 versions. EA's basketball series has almsot always been a dissapointment to me.

But, in most cases, when it comes to an EA sports game it *is*. Espicially comapred to the 'competition'. R00fles!