Volourn

The games are about equal, imo. KOTOR2's biggest plus is the fact it uses skills in conversations at an awesome rate. KOTOR's biggest plus is its characters ar emore memorable (most of KOTOR2's most memorable characters ar eusually found in KOTOR1 with the exception of Kreia which is the only memorable character to eb found in KOTOR2). Of course, there's the facts that KOTOR1 is less buggy and more stable. The othe rbonus of KOTOR1 we dodn't have to worry about fanboys blaming all its weaknesses on the publishers. The blame is placed on the heads of those who are paid to actually make the game - the developers. In all, I'd rate both games around 75-80% depending on my mood. Good games; but not great. I'll stick with NWN, FO2, and FF8 as the prime example sof the various role-playing genres.

"Well, they did attack you first with 9/11 didn't they." Um. No they don't attack me at all, actually. However, AQ (the ones who are responible for 9/11) have been around a long while ebfore and have attacked many countries even before 9/11. The US was not their first target. Nice try though. "It was no secret Bush wanted to invade Iraq from the day he was elected." Don't make things up by using 'plans for a posisble war' as proof solid that he had planned from the get go to attack Iraq. " Just because there were 2 wars after 9/11 doesn't make both wars a result of this attack" Bottom line is chances are Bush wouldn't have gone to war with either country regardless of his plans if 9/11 hadn't occured. Anyone saying otherwise has nothing but their 'gut'. Prior to 9/11, Bush's Presdiency (as short as it was) was as peaceful as a Presidency could be considering the US's place in the world. Afterall, one of the reasons why AQ committed 9/11 is because they believe that Amerikans were weak, and cowardly and they would just sit and take it. He has been proven wrong, and nbow hides in a cave fearful of being killed much as Saddam hid in a hole. No 9/11 ; no Afghanistan or Iraq War. btw, Just to make sure it's udnerstoof, I am not saying or implying that Iraq had any diretc involvement in 9/11. They didn't. However, in the post 9/11 era, Saddam Hussein was deemed too much of a threat to just let him stay in power in the opinion of the US, and their Coalition Partners. That's another thing. You seem to defend Europe here yet you seem to forget that a good number of European Countries were and are involved in the Iraq War and those who refused did so on slefish grounds because they supported Saddam's tyranny and murder of the Iraq people. "And still you connected Iraq to 9/11 before, and now you say it had nothing to do with it... you contradict yourself..." Nope. No contradiction here. read above. I answered why there's a connection. "Hey, didn't he tried the same thing with the WTC (blow it up), why didn't you start a war with those damn "terrorist nation of a USA" then??? He lived in your country, he was a terrorist. In Osama's case that was enough for an invasion..." That's just silly. A country can't start a war with itself outside of civil war. Exactly who would the US attack? The US had a 'war' with McVeigh. They won. War over.

"It is indeed the CAUSE." Falsehood. Terrorism occured before Iraq. Long before Iraq. How many terrorist attacks against US soil prior to Iraq, and how many after? Game over. "Many people join the so called "Jihad" because of your arrogant actions all over the world." Oh please. 'Jihad' has been occuring for centuries. And, oh, did you know, once again that European countries have long been a target for Islamic terrorists? Do you even know your country's own history and ties with the Islamic world? "And why would Iraq be a RESULT of Terrorism?" Bush never would have gone on his Grand War Tour if it wasn't for the actions of terrorists on 9/11. Before 9/11: Bush went to ar with 0 countires (unless I'm missing something). After 9/11: Bush went to war with 2 countries. "Were there terrorists in Iraq before the Americans came in" Yes. "or did Iraq launched a terroristic attack on your soil? No..." No. And, it didn't launch one on US soil as well. If you ahven't figured it out yet, I'm not Amerikan so stop being a bigot and assuming anyone who doens't support Hussein remaining in power being an Amnerikan since we all know you bigotry for Amerikans is huge depsite the fact you continue buy, play, and use Amerikan products, Once again - I AM NOT AMERIKAN!

Jagr for MVP. 'Nough said. Lundqvist for Rookie of the Year, and possible Goalie of the Year. That is all.

Huh? I still post here... "

"Maybe they won't moan and piss about terrorists because the terrorists are no problem for them since they don't actively support the "World Preserver and Majorly Spoiled Brat" USA..." France, and other European countries who were against the war in Iraq (due to oil concerns) are already on AQ (and other terrorist groups) 'hit lists' for other sins - some anicent; some common. People who try to claim that the Iraq Invasion is the CAUSE of terroism and not a RESULT of terrorism need to do some learnin'. As for the war itself, it will take awhile; but I believe the Iraqi PEOPLE will prevail in the end. Saddam crying like a little boy in court illustrates this. The PEACEFUL and ALLOWABLE protests against possible voter fraud is further proof of this. The fact that the Sunnis who boycotted January elections now admit that was a mistake and took part in he December ones also illustrates the progres being mad eevn if it is slow and painful and even though those in power have made some horrible mistakes in Post War iraq handling. The idea of some (looking at Hades) that the US should dig a hole and bury its head in it while ignoring the outer world is silly. The US tried this once before. It didn't work. And, for a reason. The world is a global world now. There's no turning back the clock now til before ships, cars, and planes existed. Not to mention radio, television, and the internet. "Note that all the aggression against the US is because you take innocent lives." No. False. If yu think groups like A care about the innocent you are posisbly more delusional than Hades and his isloationist scheme. "One being Canada's healthcare system, while not the best is certainly better than the US." This expalins why many Kanadians head to the US for medical treatement simply because our health care sucks. Sure, it's accessible for everyone unlike the US. However, at least the US healthcare is good unlike the sucky healthcare we recieve in Kanada. Hahah. Example of Great Kanadian Healthcare System At Work: http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20051229/ca...wN5bnN1YmNhdA--

Good fun this place is still.

As was mine on you. LOL :D

I wa son gone. Did I think I'd let your silly BIO Bashing go ignored by me? I think not. :D

Not this nonsense again.

"No, you haven't invaded Iran yet" It should be noted that my evil country has not invade France YET. Oh my god! "And North-Korea was also almost a target for the US, probably still is. Those damn invisible non-existing nukes bother and allow invasions, no?" NK has all but admitted to haveing nukes, and nuke technology. They have also threatened to attack SK an ally of the US. The US has every right, no, every obligation to protect an ally. Not to mention, both sides are still techniclaly at war and have been for decades. "Democratic election. Yes, like the US had... eh, where the loser won by cheating?" Huh? Bush didn't cheat in either electiuon. He followed the law.

It should be pointed out that the evil Amerikans also have soliders in Germany. How dare they!

"Loads of newsstories tell that the Irakian population thinks "that it was safer and more secure, with more rights for the people under Saddam", not quite what was promised..." Hahah. That's false. Most iraqis believe they are better off without Saddam. Most are happy that Saddam is no longer in power. While the majority of Iraqis want the US out of their country, they are happy that he is gone. You listen to much non Iraqis. Iraqis actually have a more postive view of the whole thing than most Amerikans, and espicially against the rest of the ME/Arab world who actually hate Iraq and want to see Iraq destroyed. While Iraqis are dissapointed that things have not gone perfetcly, most believe it will get better and it's already better than under Saddam. Stop making myths up to make yourself fell better. As pointed out as well, Afghanistan was very much intwined with AQ under the Taliban. There as well, Afghanistans - the majority of them - are hystiercally happy the Taliban ar enothing but on the fringes now. As pointed out, the US has not attacked Iran so what yoiu talking about willy? As for the Korean thing. The US is in South Korea because South Korea has asked the US to be there. Afterall, SK is the US' ally so the US has every obligation to help an ally when asked. Game over.

"I guess I should repeat myself. I wasn't fond of BL in the beginning, not at all, but between the bitching I still gave it a chance and actually played it - and it was worth it - all though I kinda miss the hair... You should try to. " Hilarious. I played the game to the end, and beat it. I enjoyed the game, and it was fun overall; but the combat was dreadful. Yet you try to say I didn't give it a achance. The combat is easy and requires no thinking. I'm not going to take the blame here. Afterall, I didn't make the game. I guess I should take credit for making NWN, FO, Madden fun too right? R00fles! :D

That's funny. If I'm such a BIO fanboy why do I consider KOTOR overrated? Also, why haven't I played two of their games? Weird. Your definition of fanboy seems to be skewered. JE is a classic RPG. In fact, outside of NWN in a DMed game or a very heavy RP mod, JE is BIO's best game role-playing wise. Game over.

Nah. I'm just letting people know about your favorite game so they know your point of view. Just to be fair.

LOL Haven't heard of 1up. As for medicore games, don't you have to back to POR2? "

Huh? 1up is x-box exlusive? Who'd have thunk it. Please stop making things up. It's embarassing to have to correct you so completely. And,. as per usual, your second part of the statement is wrong too. JE is up for X-BOX GAME OF THE YEAR at Gamespy. Any more errors you wanna share with us? How amny times can SP be wrong on the same issue in sucha small amount of time. Let us see. Stay tuned...

"Hahaha, Volourn is going to wear out a keyboard with all the whining about how Gamespot means nothing and excuses ad nauseum." Gamespot isn't the be all end all. Should I point out all the other sites that have JE up for 'Best RPG of the Year'? Gamespot rated KOTOR 90%+ (which it didn't deserve), and NWN 90%+ (which it did deserve) as well? Do you think those games deserve that and that GS is correct always? Consideirng how much you dislike NWN; I seriously doubt you think GS was right in giving it a 90%+? Hahahahahaha!!! JE is better than over half of BIO's games so GS syaing its a disspaointment comapred to thsoe games means very little to me. P.S. KOTOR2 deserves to be on the list as well. Considering the fact I have no interets in playing any of those 'so called rpgs' on this list, KOTOR2 definitely along with JE belongs there. Ah well. No accounting for GS's taste. My best game voyte goes to either Madden 2006 for PS2 (it has only 2 flaws, imo) and JE (which also has a couple of flaws).

"and/or not developing it further in terms of story" That was the problem. TOEE is a fine module. But, the basic pnp verison you buy in stores is purposefully bare like ALL D&D modules. Afterall, they're intended to be used by DMs to place in their campaigns not as is. It says so right in the module books. Did Troika even read that page? LOL :D

I smell bigotry and racism in this thread. 'Tis very sad.

"Which is why I don't consider Jade Empire a CRPG. Good game, though." JE is a RPG. This is undisputable as you make decisions that effect the game world and other characetrs react to. And, not just fluff decisions like some games but actual decisions.

"As I've said before, if you read the lines and between them: any game can be mindless if you play it mindlessly...and apparently you do that a lot, maybe you have a handicap or something?" FDon't blame me for BL's combat ebing boring, simple, and mindless. Thanbkfully, it's role-playing is top notch 'cause the combat is mindless. There is no (or very little as there are always exceptions) thinking involved.

Um.. All this talk about newbies having to do x things 'right' so the regulars don't 'flame you' or 'attack you'.

Who cares what the 'veterans' think, anyways. Newbies shouldn't be trying to impress the so called regualrs. The regualrs are not that important. That includes (and espicially) me. This board is for discussion of Obsidian and other important stuff. Important stuff shoudl not equal posters trying to impress or one up fellow posters. It's not about the individual poster; but the individual threads and posts and topics.