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"No, you have to wlak a long ways out to leave Durlag's while all you need to do is step through a portal on Watcher's Keep and poof you are outside the keep." And? All enemies are dead so its just tedious walking back and forth. Great fun, indeed! Not to mention the one portal as well. Plus, it was explivitly explained *why* Watcher's Keep had multiple entracnes. It's a part of its history and background as Helm designed it for a reason. "But at that point when I visited the tower I was a high level party" What do you mean by 'high level'? You start TOB at around level 20. And if you didn't die even concem you were likely one of the very few. That still doesn't mean it was easy.

"How the hell was it more challenging when you could leave the dungeon with ease at any time you want?" You can pretty much do that in Durlag's except the one area after the Psycho Dwarfs. "really???...an' which "battle" in Watcher's was e'en the least bit challengin', dwarf???...Demogorgon???...pleeze; he was so damnably neutered, I's surprised he didna have a Soprano-pitched voice-o'er...a fricken demon prince an' he couldna e'en last a couple o' combat rounds...Watcher's was the warehouse for the "Let's Make A Deal BIOw**nian Style" roadshow..." He was more challenging than the stupid Durlag boss and his lame fireballs. L0LLERS! "Watcher's was a cakewalk" So how much did you die? Lots most likely. People have a real weird definition of 'cakewalk', and 'easy' it seems. "But Durlags was cooler though" It was a dwarven keep so of course it was. :cool: Then agan, Helm is cool too so Watcher's earned bonus points too.

Watcher's was wayy more challenging. Durlag's had only one tough battle.

Darque has bad taste She agrees wit me!

"Watchers keep is just a loot bank" So was Durlag's.

"The NWN OC on the other hand not so much." Then why play it so much? It'll be like continually playing POR2, or MW. Does not compute. P.S. Alanshu wins.

"Aside from the fact that you have horrible tastes" Agreed. Damn my horrible tastes for liking games like FO, PST, or FF8. R00fles!

Huh? Where does BIO or JE come in with NWN2? WOWSERS! JE may be x-box exclusive; but guess what BIO is making DA which is , guess what, PC EXCLSUIVE! Imagine that. BIO, like all good companies including Obsidian, try not to limit themslves.

"I would just like to remind you that there is no such thing as a PC exclusive." Sure there is. NWN is just one example of this phenomena known as 'PC exclusive'.

"Pre-release, Bio kept constantly hyping about the 4 pillars of NWN - the toolset, the DM client, multiplayer, and the SINGLEPLAYER CAMPAIGN." Not at first. Only when BG Freaks (like me) continually harassed them on message boards they did. "They kept insisting that people who would buy the game for just that last part would be satisfied." And, most who did as they were the ones who drove the sales for the game as well as the expansions. "They sure were." Yes, they were. Let's not try to make it seem that the same 2 dozen or so people who spam the same opinions (including me) speak for everyone who bought the game. There's a reason why NWN has sold review numbers both professional 9these can't relaly be trusted), and by fans. R00fles! Just look at hades who supposedly hates the OC yet he's played it MULTIPLE TIMES including just recently after its been out for 4 years. If he were 100% honest he'd amdit that thoguh the OC is not perfect that it was an enjoyable gaming experience.

That's because it was a dwarven stronghold at one time. Dwarves make everything better just by association.

I don't think the audience is all that different nowadays at least not to the extremes some would imply.

"I'm enjoying Fallout 3." Oh really? I thought FO3 was just in the very early planning stages? Now, you are saying you are 'enjoying' it? That would mean that the game's development has progressed... And, the only reason I think FO3 is gonnd suck is because, quite frankly, Bethesda's games IMO plainly suck. No offense to SS since he didn't workj on the other Bethesda games. He's also right, however, that some sports games espicially wrestling ones are very much RPGs or at least RPG Lite ones. And, most importantly, they're usually fun.

"I realize many people bought it and never touched it after the OC" Define 'many'. BIO's own research suggests the oppositre. The majority of people played the included OC(s) and did not touch anything else *at all*. "I've heard a lot more complaints about the OC than actual praise." That's because you are reading the same posts by the same people over,a nd over again.

:cool: P.S. I should read the FRCS again. Hehehe... Espicially before I post.

"Buying NWN only for the OC is like buying BattleField 2 only for SinglePlayer..." No. Espicially since the OC is better than most other RPGs. No, since most people who did play it enjoyed it. No, because you obviously don't know what you are talking about.

"I am in agreement with the rest of your statement, however they do have a right to think and express whatever they want, just as we do." I never said otherwise.

"Born from the corrupted energies of the dead gods Bane, Myrkul, and Bhaa" Know your Realms hiostory. None of these gods are truly dead not even Bhaal.

"Like I said, we have no idea what Bioware's actual expectation were, so we can't say if it's good or bad." Well, certain people don't like it but nBIO, and MS seem more than happy with JE's success espicially since it sold 500k+ copies in the first 6 months. It's probably further along now. MS was so impressed they actually already announced JE2 even though BIO has not confirmed it (though they've done everything but). As I've been saying - anyone who expected JE to do KOTOR or BG numbers were living in Fantasy Land. Bioware has their core audience; but they're no Blizzard.

"What killed me was how they designed Watcher's keep. You don't have an uber dungeon that you can leave at any time. That was severely stupid." Eh? Durlag's was set up in basically the same way. And, why are people complaining that TOB was 'too short'? It's the longest expansion I ever played. WOWSERS! I do agree that Melissan was a horrible main villainess. Pretty much on par with the twins when it comes to horridness.

I never said you were bastards... "For us Canadians are strangers, just like Americans" Really? One of the Seperatist ideas floating about was Quebec joining the US.....

"How is it "crying" when you expect and accept that a game series you like is being raped again?" Huh? Games can forcefully made to have sex? Since when?

"Personally I think Quebec would be in a world of hurt without Canada.' So do the Seperatists... hence why they don't want to give up the rights of being Kanadians... just the responsibility. Afterall, they're xenophobes who can't tell time. LOL P.S. Yes, I'm bigoted towards Seperatists.

"Yeah, BG was their second title. Probably made the million mark. Though it's hard to say, since they usually quote the series as a whole." BG1 has sold 2-3 mil copies at least including expansion.

No. It was SS. BIO didn't make MDK; but MDK2 which was released in 2000 while BG1 was released in 1998. Don't worry, I used to make the same mistake... http://www.bioware.com/bioware_info/about/