Volourn

I agree. I simply think people should not care about this. Woopity do dah. They gambled. The *only* time gambling should be immoral in sports is if someone is betting against their own team and purposely loses a game. Why? Because, that's fialing to do their job sin ce your job as an athlete/coach is to to try win. Otherwise, I don't give one iotta that someone bet on sports. Heck, most everyone I know bets on something and NOBODY gets hurt. Unless vioence is involved (like the mob being involved and htreatening to break legs) than the law should come down hard on those using violence.

"not merely to flame" Yeah; but that's half the fun espicially with regards to Yrkoon. :D "Clearly children cannot be given the freedom to make decisions for themselves that they are not old enough to make, so said freedoms cannot be consistently applied to them." Don't get me started here. Chidlren aren't allowed to vote or drink or smoke because they are incapable of making such decisions supposedly; but llo and behold one committs murder and they're super mature enough to be proesecuted like the adult dogs that they are.

Why? Yoy work for BIO now, Mr. Alberta?

"- he can't go where he wants - he can't see who he wants - he can't eat what he wants" The first two should be obvious. As a convicted murderer, he's proven to be a physical threat to others. Obviously, him writing a book will not be a danger in killing someone. As for not being able to eat what he wants; that's simply a by product of being in prison and having to have a cook to do a mass cook for all the prisoners. It's not like they really mass cook steak everyday.

"Gromnir brings up some really good points." Except for the fact that with Troika, their publishers no longer wanted to actually work with them more. Remember, Troika wanted to do an Arcanum ; but the publisher didn't want any part of it. Troika had repeated stated they would LOVE to more stuff with TOEE (eitehr epxansions or sequels); but Atari was apparantly not interested. In BIO's case, MS has no problems working with them again. Afterall, MS is ME's publisher as well.. I doubt that MS would want to work with BIO again if JE financially failed. Not to mention the fact that even though BIO hasn't, MS has already 'announced' JE2. So, comparing BIO and Troika in this instance is rather poor.

Or can be lesbians. " :D

His crimes are a whole nother issue. The book itself will not physically harm anyone. No one is forced to buy, or read it, or even believe what he writes. He is a scumbag murder. And, he should be punished for his crimes (and, apparantly he has since he's in prison). It shouldn't matter if he's a likeable person. The whole point of freedom of expression/speech is for everyone to have the right to say what they want even if *I* don't like it.

No. Unlike the silly KOTOR series, JE's engine is 100% made for x-box. It will not be conformed to PC just because.

No, they were wrong. Period. The only time freedom of speehc should even be *considered* to be null and void is if someone is literally threatening someone with violence or is calling for violence. And, even in those situations, it should only be cosnidered not neccesarily voided unless the threat is real and not manufactured or hot air.

Nah. That's about how long it took me to play BG2 in a month 3 times. But, yeah, comapred to BG2 it's short. It's 20-30 hours (unless you rush through like a bunny rbabit or slow down like a snail). In other words, 20-30 hours if you know how to play computer games. Which is longer than most games to be sure.

I care enough as much as most things dealing with games... I care enough to post about it; but that's it... I'd survive either way. Afterall, I haven't played JE for nearly a year. (like a month or so after it came out I stopped as I played it 3 times like 99.9% of good RPGs and moved on).

"It's not the slightest bit of evidence and you know it." Don't tell me what i know. I know what I know.

"We humans are far better at destroying things than creating them." This simply isn't true. We create more humans for example than we kill. We are much better at creating then destroying. By far.

"Ah, God dammit Volourn. I thought that you were sincere there before clicking on the link, but nooooo....." Ah... But, I was sincere. I was sincerely playing a trick on everyone. " ............ JE is a great game. It sure beats either KOTOR. They're about equal in story. JE has better characters, better combat (no contest here), better role-playing (though KOTOR2 has as good a use of dialogue skillz - though JE has more dialogue skills)), better graphics, better music, and better atmosphere. Anyways, I *never* said this proves JE was a finanical success as a standalone article; but it's just more evidence to lea done to believe JE was a success. This along with the number of copies sold, both MS and BIO saying they were happy with its success as a new IP, and the plans for a sequel all help prove this. I have yet to hear anyone prove that it was a financial failure outside of 'it didn't sell 1 million copies so it bombed lolololol'. Afterall, I for one, have no reason to believe that BIO would lie about this. And, they and MS would know the facts.

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L0LLERS! With 4 pages it wasn't such a dead issue was it? LOL (though as per usual half of is spam :D ). Anywyas, thanks for the compliment. Copying is the sincerest form of flattery.

Proof please.

"Jade Empire may have sold a million units, maybe more, maybe less. It is still among the most mediocre games ever released. It isn't bad, it isn't good, it just is." Your opinion (and mine) about JE's quality or lack of quality is irrelevant. We are talking financial success or failure. JE is obviously a financial success. Why dont people just admit it, and move on. "

Be nice, Gabrielle. I'm nice to you, afterall (mostly :ph34r: )>

"The game's sales reflect this. Mediocrity, they name is Jade Empire." Proof shows otherswise. The rest is your silly biased opinion. You ar elooking forwrad to DA and ME so you cna bash them as well. LOL :D "JE had lackluster gameplay, lackluster story, lackluster RP, and a slew of other mediocre elements to the game." Says the one who holds IWD2 as his favorite RPG of all time even though it isn't even the best game in that series. Hahaha!! R00fles! "No, you clearly underestimate's BIO's Fame." Nope. I called well before JE's release it would sell 500k copies or so within a reaosnable time. I *wa* right. Seems I estimate BIo's popualrity absolutely fine. " Would NWN would ever sell that good without Bio's rep. Would KOTOR ever sell that good. Hell, didn't KOTOR2 benefit from both the rep of Bio and Black Isle making it the seller as it is?" NWN, and KOTOR sold because of their respective licenses. You seem to forget that both NWN and KOTOR sold over 2 mil copies each. JE is likely still between 600k-1mil copies. HUGE difference. Seems to me that BIO's name isn't nearly as storng as you think it is. Try this: Ask a gamer (that doesn't post here or on some other BIO knowledgable site) th following questions: Who is Blizzard, and what games ahve they made? then ask them: Who is Bioware, and what games have they made? Then it be game over. And now, alot of people anticapite for Dragon Age/Project New Jersey. And what do we know? Besides that the company has a good rep?

Eh. Tht's weird. Stupid links... Anyways, just do a search on other JE threads.. You'll see what i mean.

Yeah; but you are bias against HIo to begin with and now as a competitor of BIo's you have an even more direct reason to want BIo to flop. It be like me making an article saying 'JE was a financial success'. It be hard for oyhers tot ake my article as fact since I'm obviously biased in JE's favor. The Globe & Mail has no reason to be bias, and I'm sure they did research to come up with the list. Nice try; though.

"Who would think the JE wasn't a financial success? :S" You must be new as you missed threads like these: http://www.obsidianentertainment.com/ "Fortunately those of us over here in reality don't need to deal with this delusional scenario frequently." Is the same relaity where JE flopped? " "If it is about financial games with original games without a lot of "regonisable brand" stuff they shouldn't allow BioWare games" You overestimate BIO's name brand recognization. I keep saying this; but BIO as far as the 'main stream' goes isn't all that well know compared to the real big wigs.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...chnology/AtPlay Hahaha! Tricked ya! More evidence that JE is a financial success. So who is gonna finally admit that they were wrong when they said it was. It's almost embarassing when I am right all the time.

"it basically made what the PS1 is today." Aha! You admit that FF7 was so crpapy that it killed the PS since it made the PS1 what it is today.. and, last I checked, the PS1 is dead. HAHAHAHAHA!!!