Volourn

That's not proof. You are making ane ducated guess based on experience that may be right or wrong. My 'evdience' comes from Obsidian themselves. A clear cut way is to see what they stated about the cancelaltrion of rideable horses and the delay of the DMC. One was cut because they couldnt' get it working properly in the time alotted; the other delayed because of a poor decicion to not do *any* work on it until too late... Chances are they'r eplanning to do a lot of work on the DMC in the next 4 months in order to get it down by September 19... to make up for not doing much (if any) work for the first 2 years of development time. I'm sorry when Dev1 says early on: No work will be done on the DMC as the NWN1 version will be fine as is... and then... Dev2 says 4 months pre release: Oops. The DMC needs lot sof work done on it, and may be delayed til a patch.. Those are paraphrased; but it's obvious poor product management espciailly when they admitted they errored. It's not complicated. Some trying tod efend your fellow develoeprs when they admitted to their mistake. They're human, they made a mistake, deal with it. Devs aren't perfect. P.S. As can I, Hades. But, I cna't ignore the exuses some are giving.

Proof please? Obsidian paints a different story when they write: 'The DMC will ship as it was in NWN1. No work will be done on it." .... then 4 months prior to release: "OMG! DMC needs work. It needs to ebc ompelted and will miss the shipd ate." That is clearly poor project management. It can't get much clearer than this. The horses thing was 'finding unexpected issues' though.

I'm not worried about what other comapnies do or don't do though. At least not in the case of NWN2. The DMC was supposed to be part of the NWN2 package and has been since the start, and I think the sloshing of it just wasn't cool. Sure, I'll live with the fact that it's now just a download; but that doesn't mean I gots to like it or be silent about my dislike for it. It should have been in the game apckjage that we cna buy in stores. And, oh, just to elt you know this is different than the OC length mess. Afterall, you and Grom (espicially Grom) went hogwild based off some silly rumour from some language sniffing dog on the Codex. LOL I got the bad news from Obsidian themsleves. Plus, my posts really aren't directed at them on the issue anymore; but on those who gives exuses (like they need to) on Obsidian's behalf. Why? Obsidian has stated the situation,a nd what they itnend to do about it. That's cool. Game over. It's the constant 'DMC doens't matter', 'the majority doens't use it', and'at least you are getting it', 'a patch is as good as the actual game package (when it obviously isn't)', etc., etc., that gets me respond. if I didn't have to read that a million times a day, I'd likely stop posting about the issue completely. LOL

LOL Either way it is not good. But, like I said above, befor ethis thread gets carried away with whining (by me and others) and silly exuses on behalf of Obsidian, it's not ideal; but at this point; it's the way it's got to be. So, one either sucks it up or doesn't buy the game. I'm NOT that upset... yet. :D It depends on how much more of the game gets 'canceled' or 'thrown away into a patch'... "The fact is, they're responding to our desires. " If this were true, it be in the package, even if 'gone gold' had to ebd elayed for a couple fo weeks. And, it's not my job to give develoeprs - any developer - 'a break'. They're big boys, and professionals. They can handle some criticism. It's one of the reasons why I like Obsidian. They're nowhere as whiny as the fanboys are who defend companies at all costs. :D

"It's no different than downloading a patch." There is HUGE difference between having it in the package then having to download it like throwaway stuff like silly kobolds.

Could have been better news.... but this will have to do as a last resort...

"Volourn hit 4" Boooo!!!! 1. CAROLINA over Buffalo in 7: Even match. Carolina via home ice advantage. 2. ANAHEIM over Edmonton in 6: Evenly matched teams that shoulda been out in Round 1.. but aren't... I give the edge to Selanne's team though. P.S. This means a congrats is in order for both Buffalo and Edmonton in the next 2 weeks.

"But a sequel cannot improve upon the original game[/Volourn mode]" Difference being, of course, I actually enjoyed Diablo 1 for what it was. I *hated* DS1. That's why I'm open to Diablo 2, and not DS2. "And Volourn, your links still don't work... long links get stuff replaced with ... and with ... a link does not work. Use the HTTP:// button you see at the top of the "making a post" screen... or just use" Meh. I surrender. Screw the links, I say. One just has to try the firts link, and gof rom there, anyways.. Silly links work when I first try them and then they magically go FUBAR. Not cool; not cool at all.

Really, really gonna cost me. Almsot gotta completely rework my entire computer to run at this at higher than minimum (minimum simply isn't good enough for the NWN series)... At least $400-$500... Argh.. As for the other issue, all games are buggy. PC games being the buggiest... but, they have patches. ... It all evens out. We all win. We all lose. It's all game over.

I'm skinny enough as it is!!! Plus, I don't order on line which is why I'm already buggin' Atari and BIo to release this in stores along with POTSC!!! P.S. There are hirelings but don't expect them to have any sort of depth - npt even OC depth let alone SOU/HOTU/NWN2 (apparantly) OC depth.

Yeha; but when I say ALL... I mean ALL. To be ready for NWN2 on September 19, 2006 at 12 noon, I ahve to set aside ALL my gaming money for it and the updating of my computer which will cost me upwards of 500$ or so total (including the actual game). Not all of us are rich (plus, my other spending money goes towards movies, and other junk, lol)... In October at the earliest.. maybe. " (but doutbful as I'll have NWN2 then heh).. I'm even gonna cancel my EQ2 subscription because of this. (w00t)

Well.. I'll be crapped.. I wrote them off as just a bunch of RT hack n slashes... Those cna be found... but I had gotren bored of the whole M&M series sveral games back.. I might have to check it out then.. LOL

Should be fixed, and I tested them so they work now. Bah. And, Diablo 2... maybe.. but not for awhile.. ALL my gaming money is going towards updating my PC for NWN2.

Nah. I didn't mind Diablo though I didn't like it enough to buy/try Diablo 2...

I thought the Heroes series has always been RT combat... Hmm.. I haven't played any of them... I guess that's what ASSuming does...

"Looks that way, what a cool concept" Diablo lover!!!!! Also, there are as detailed in the features are hirelings but they're exactly that... just meat shields and more fodder for the combats. That sucks; but is life I guess..

"They seem to be really hyping up their awesome story in that feature list." LOL It's a dungeon crawl. If one dislike dungeon crawls, avoid this module so we don't have to read the whines how it's too dungeoncrawlly. <>

"Wait, so Diablo using NWN1's engine? " Sounds like it. But, unlike Diablo, there is a main story that will rock (will so sayeth BIO and of course they'd tell if it will suck, lol). Plus, i do believe they have plans to use the non combat skills. I've asked them to clarify that part though on the boards. "What happened to the WW2 module? Will they ever make it? I had also heard rumors about a SG2 module..." Could be still working on them... or not.. no one knows... it's a mystery...except them.

http://nwn.bioware.com/premium/module_infinitedungeons.html "Features A New Dungeon Every Time - Each journey begins with the creation of a randomly-generated multi-level dungeon, tailored to your particular class, character-level, or tastes. Explore the winding warrens of Undermountain, the greatest dungeon in the Forgotten Realms. Epic Levels - Infinite Dungeons scales to support the entire range of NWN characters, from the Level 1 beginner to the god-like Level 40. Single Player - Adventure by yourself, gather hirelings, and try to better your high score. Cooperative Multiplayer - Adventure as a party, sharing in the treasure, and bringing your skills to bear in every battle. Competitive Multiplayer - Battle fellow adventurers in a no-holds-barred race to the heart of the dungeon...or to claim the high score! New Creatures

This will go down as my worst year when it comes to play off predictions. Just awful. Pure and simple.

"What do you use the DMC for? It sounds like the bug testing advantages it has for NWN are already included in NWN2, if the developer's word means anything." With all the changes, and cancellations being made; nothing is set ins tone until I see it in action in September. Then again, ther eis a good chance that some form of DMC will be in the release then. Hopefully, they make it! I can't speak for others, but I use the DMC a lot to test my module. Not as much currently; but when I was making areas I would roam quickly through the module to make sure the pathfinding didn't do anything stupid like get stuck or check out the atcual in game stats (soemthing you can't do in the toolset or as a PC) for balancing, having certain QAers test combat while I DM'ed them. Currently where I'm at in the creation process, I pretty much don't need the DMC. I can tests cripts, and look at dialogue as a PC easily enough.

"Finish what you started and worry about NWN2 when your first task is done." Absolutely. "It shouldn't be that hard to convert over anyway since you are able to port over the hard bits, like scripting and dialog, over with minimal fuss." Not without the DMC.

"is that because you haven't been doing scripting and dialogue until now, and it would take a while to redo all the non-scripting and dialogue stuff." That's because dialogue/scripts are rather easy to trasnfer over to NWN2 easy so the fact that's all I got left is no biggy. However, if I were to 'scrap' the NWN1 project and make it for 'NWN2'; I'd have to redo everything that I already got done that *isn't* scripting or dialogue. "So, when will we see the NWN 2 version?" LOL 'I'm not working on a NWN2 version.. at the moment. ' )

You haven't played it, tulip! If you did, you'd know better. Anyways, the NWN2 video that started this thread is cool. :cool: "@ Volo You suck at modding? That does not ease my mind. " Scripting part mostly which why it takes me so long to get them right. Well... I could release it now... but... let's just say... it would not be quality scripting wise...

"What on earth have you been working on if not scripting and dialogue?" Heh. Scripting,a nd dialogue is what I'm working on and what i have been working on. Everything else (areas, placeables, npcs are all done). But, scripts and espicially dialogue takes long while. The module, afterall, has 100k+ words in... and, it's still going.. Why so much for a 2 hour or so mod, you ask? Simple. A. LOTS of books. B. LOTS of options... and, those options lead to more options. C. With lots of dialogue comes lots of scripts. And, scipting even with the script generator tales awhile when you suck at it... and, then you gotta test it a million times to see if it works just to realize your horrible typing made you space soemthing you shouldn't have. "Whats taking so long already? Come on now, get this done and get my interest in NWN back." I suck at modding? :D Good with stories, characters, and quests (or so i'm told); but I'm horrible with modding. A more capble modder would likely have been a LONG time ago. Beleive me, no one wants this done more than I do.. just so I can I'm not all talk... which, sof ar, I'm sadly am. P.S. The QAs know the module actually exists! They've tried it!!!!