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"Where will Drew be again this year? Watching PR in the playoffs on TV." *shrug* He has as many rings as Rivers has. And, according to you, that's all that matters. Right? "I believe he avoided the organization, not the city itself. But we are a real sports city (whatever that means) we have stadiums, teams and everything. Shove that east coast bias up your ass! Yes I know you are in Kanada, but it still shines through...." Nope. Not true. LA is a real sports city. Last i checked, LA isn't east coast. Not so 'east coast' baised now, am i rite? "You calling me a fanboy ain't that rich, but whatever." How cna youd eny it when you claim that Rivers is better than Peyton Manning. That is just ridiculousness. " Never said PR was the best QB," You said he was better than peyton. By saying he's better than the concensus best QB Manning, it's safe to assume you think he's betteer than all other QBs. If peyton isn't better than Rivers; but Rivers isn't the best, which QB in the league is better than Rivers? Don't play games; just go all the way with your biasness. " but I am glad he is on my team," Nothing wrong with loyalty. I've loyal to Eli too; but I would still prefer to have Peyton 'cause he's better. " he's a winner," L0L Winner of what? You claim that super bowls is all that matter which Rivers has ZERO. Doesn't sound like a winner according to your own thinking. " has heart " Oh yeah, the code word for 'i'm gonna speak gibberish and make it sound like it means soemthing'. "(playing last years AFC championship game with torn ACL in right knee won me over)" Big deal. He's not first to play injured. Heck, Peyton did it this season. And, otehr shave done it too. *shrug* " and never throws his teammates under the bus unlike some 3 time MVP QB I could mention." The truth often hurt. Plus, Peyton is an actual leader, and when you are the best QB in the game, the focus is on you, and everything you say and do is important. Nobody, other than SD fanboys, really care what Rivers does. He's arguably not even SD's best player (though I'd give him the nod but others wouldn't).

"First the international community tells the Palestinians that if they get behind the democratic process they will be rewarded, then the Palestinians go out and vote, only to lose all their funding because we didn't like who they voted for." It's called consequences for poor chocies. It happens to EVERYONE. Countries always place embargos on other countries/governments they have a serious disagreement with. Just ask NK, Iran (who actually technically have an 'elected' president, l0l), and others. No country should be forced to trade with another if they don't want. Palestinians wanted Hamas as the ruling party, and they got them. And, yeah, Hamas is doing a WONDERFUL job for the Palestinian job. Palestinian is a craphole exactly because Hamas is in power. The reason why countries cut off a lot of aid to Palestine when Hamas won the election is ebcause a lot of that aid went striaght into weapons not actual aid for the people who need food, clean water, and a place to live. Oh yeah, you forgot about that. And, oh, I like how people ignore the fact, that as an elected Palestinian governemnt, Hamas shouldn't be mass murdering Palestinians. But, they do. Just ask Fatah, who by the way, have elected officials too. And, oh, when Fatah was in power, Palestinian was in better shape (not great shape; just better). Hence, Hamas has failed as the governemtn. In most democratic government, the people tend to vote out failed governments. "Hamas would get zero credit when the resources were coming from a third part, neutral in the conflict. If you could choose, would you get your food from, say, the UN or from some crazed fanatics?" No, if yours cenario works out, where the Paletsinian gets everything they want but Hams doesn't stop fighting, then Hamas and their supports would clip they 'won' strictly because of Hamas' tatics basiclaly justifying the specific targeting of civilians. P.S. I do agree that the bulldozing of homes is simply wrong, though. But, then aagin, I never claimed Isreal was innocent of all wrong doing.

"Chargers kept the right QB Rivers > Brees. Was'nt talking about the "Wahhhhhhhh I don't wanna play in SD daddy" shli" Nah. Not really. They're about equal. "Watch a Charger game before you talk **** about rivers," Um. I said he was a great QB. read my posts before you lie about what I posted. " he lead his team to the lead in almost every game they lost, the defense gave away those games." YTeah, he led them to an 8-8 record. SWEET. "Again it's too early to judge the rivers-manning deal, eli started a year or two earlier no? lets see how it measures up when their careers are over" Waaa.. Don't be butthurt because Eli was smart and avoided SD, and went to a real sports city. And, he's already won a championship. Come talk to me when Rivers wins a superbowl over an 18-0 team. Deal? "He (Chargers) beat the colts TWICE last year" Yet, he's won 0 superbowls. L0L 0 MVPs. Peyton has 1, and 3 respectively. R00fles! You keep bragging about Rivers being so much (due to biasness) yet over half the voters felt Manning was the MVP. Majority doesn't always rule; but these voters aren't as biased as a SD fanboy is so I'll believe them before you.

Yup, more justification given for Hamas targeting innocent Isreal civilians. Wonderful. Even a tossed in to bash a group like Fatah because they're actually willing to truly negotiate by blackmarking them as 'appeasers' and 'betrayers'. Even though they're anything but. "The main "problem" is that Hamas has not given up their fight against the occupation and that it, in a very asymetrical fight, uses all means available to it." hey, that sounds exactly what Isreal is doing yet the pro Hamas people are crying that Isreal uses 'unfair force' despite the fact - like your precious Hamas - Isreal uses what resources they have available. *shrug* I think the biggest whining is that people just don't like the fact that Isreal has superior weaponary. "collective punishment" But, hey, isn't that what you use to justify Hamas' targeting of Isreali civilians? If Hamas was truly pro Palestine and not just anti isreal; they'd actually make REAL changes and not just lip service. Obviously, considering the state of Palestine, Hamas isn't doing a good job. Then again, Hamas isn't loyal to Palestine. It's loyal to Hamas. Afterall, if Hamas loses an election who do the Hamas fighters serve? The Palestine government or Hamas? Hamas, that's who. The Isreali army, on the other hand, serves Isreal. It doesn't matter who leads Isreal either. Same with any actual government. Yeah, Hamas was/is democratically elected but guess what... a democratic government job is to serve the people, and make their lives better, and that includes those who didn't vote for them. Which, btw, Hamas doesn't. In fact, they do the opposite - they murder their Palestinian enemies too. *shrug*

"It wants to destroy Hamas, not include it in any peace process." Absolutely. And, they cna't be blamed. Again, Hamas' stated goal is the total destruction of Isreal so any negotiation of peace by Hamas is a lie as has been evidenced repeatedly. Hamas: We want peace. Isreal: ok. Both & UN: *negotiate a ceasefire treaty* Most of the World: YAY!!! *few months pass as Hamas rebuilds from the last Isreali offensive* Hamas: suicide bombs/missle attacks Isreal World: *silent* Isreal: *after months of taking* Counter attacks strongly World: That ain't cool, Mr. Isreal. How 'bout peace and love, dude!?! Majority of Muslim ME Countries + Western Fanatical Anti Isrealites: DESTROY Isreal! They are THA Satan! This process is repeated a billion times. "Lemme try to simplify things for you. A guy killed your, say, wife. You responded by killing him, his elderly parents, his wife, his 3 children and the rest of his relatives. Proportional?" Nope. Not the same thing. Hamas attacks Isreali civilians so Isreal attacks Hamas, and unfortunately Hamas like all awesome terrorists hide amongst civlians and innocents die. Once and awhile, Isreal does go overboard and takes out whole buildings which is wrong but that would not happen if Hamas simply would not fire rockets. But, i guess to you, it's okay for Hamas to fire rockets but Isreal cna't defend themselves. It's not like Isreal can simply walk in and target all individual rocketeers in melee combat. It's called war for a reason. Then again, Hamas doesn't care about Palestine. They care about Hamas. "It was Jimmy carter had a hand in this and that's precisely the reason why he was treated very poorly by the Israelis on his last visit. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert and senior ministers refused to meet him. The Shin Beth, Israel’s security service, refused to provide him with the protection usually given to distinguished foreign guests. Israel’s lobby in the United States vilified and insulted him, dismissing his brave peace efforts as the work of an ignorant and bumbling old man. The most extraordinary outburst came from Israel’s United Nations ambassador, Dan Gillerman, who told journalists that Carter "went to the region with soiled hands and came back with bloody hands after shaking the hand of Khaled Meshal, the leader of Hamas." How can such scandalously undiplomatic language be explained?" L0L Hamas doesn't want to negotiate peace. Any negotiations they do is nothing but a way to buy time to rebuild their weaponary for another round. They don't want to live side by side with Isreal. It's one of their main stated aims. The fact that good 'ol Carter actually expect isreal to ignore the fact was retarded.

"gave the Giants a great chance to win last year, they are still the favorites in my book to go all the way, looking forward to a SD NY superbowl " Won't happen. "You schooled me?" Yup. You claimed that Rivers was better because he was 'statistically better' as you gave that as a reason why SD will win this weekend then soon afterwards you claimed stats were meaningless. So.. which is it? Are stats meaningful or not. Otw, Manning went 11-5. Your precious Rivers went 8-8. Manning won MVP. Rivers did not. "In every way Rivers was the better QB this year period end of story." L0L Delusional much? "Giants got the better deal with they got Eli for Rivers So far, its still to be determined." Nope. Giants won a Super Bowl, already. SD has not. "When did Brees get to be the media darling, that belongs to your boys." All season long, actually. 'Brees for MVP' was a common refrain followed by 'Warner for MVP'. Or 'Dallas for super bowl winning fvaorites'. In fact, Giants have for the most part relatively ignored the Giants though its ahrd to completely ignore a team from NY. But, ooohhh,, people sure tried. "By the way the Chargers kept the right QB." First off, they didn't 'keep' anyone. It was a trade. And, no, they didn't. " I would rather have Rivers then any other QB, but thats just me" Biasness at its worst. Rivers is a great QB; but winning your divsion with an 8-8 record is not impressive. Though, he did beat Indy last year (iirc) so it's not all lost.

http://www.tsn.ca/canadian_hockey/story/?i...s=topStory_main Fighting is awesome, folks. yeah, extreme case; but how many needless injuries occur because of useless fisticuffs that only add to entertain barbarians? I want REAL hockey players; not wannabe boxers lacing up skates.

And, they'd be right.

"I really hope they don't because that would mean 4000 new movies and series out of Hollywood how poor and innocent Jews are suffering..." Yeah, just like those 'poor and innocent Palestinians' shtick. Well.. the poor is right. "This war was launched precisely because Hamas has recently shown signs of moderation." Yeah, launching rockets when there is a ceasefire agreement has they have been doing for MONTHS is a sure sign of moderation. L0L Of course, hardly anyone says a thing about it until Isreal starts to fight back. "Insanity... Proportionality is obviously a foreign concept to the Israelis." Yeah, because wars are won simply by fighting on even grounds. The allies should ahve done that. I guess the US shouldn't have used the hi tech they have versus Iraq. Or Russia shouldn't have used their overwhelming forces against Georgia because it isn't 'fair'. How about that war when multiple Muslim countries went to war with tiny Isreal? Yeah, that WAS fair. I doubt you'd complain if the entire Muslim ME attacked Isreal at the same time and wiped them out. Stop crying about 'unfairness'. "As it stands now, according to the UN, 76 per cent of the population of 1.5 million in Gaza is now in need of urgent humanitarian assistance. But apparently the sick-ass government of Israeli decided to let the people of Gaza die slowly by intercepting humanitarian aid ships in international waters. In short: **** the terrorist state of Israel!!!" Blame Hamas. They are a huge part of Palestine's govenrment and are failing their people. And, the UN is baised against Isreal hence why the Un didn't cry when Hamas was firing rockets at Isreal. Only when isreral fought back is when people started crying. Isreal isn't perfect, and have done their share of garbage but you painting them like Satans is no better than some people who paint all Palestinians as non innocent. *cough* Hades *cough* As for terrorist states, that would be Palestine who doens't even have a standing army and rely on terrorist groups to do its fighting. Hamas fighters are NOT loyal to Palestine; they're loyal to Hamas. Same with Fatah's fighters. It is also why they fight each other. But, hey, we know Yuusha's opinion. Isreal should be wiped out. Just like Hamas' stated goal is. But, yeah, Hamas is moderate. L0L Only time Hamas wants peace with isreal is when they need to regroup hence why when the Isreali offensive began, Hamas was not interested in a ceasefire. NOW, they wnat to take ceasefire. Why? Because, they're being crippled and need a chance to regroup so they cna start anothe rround of rockets a year from now. P.S. You say Isreal doesn't want peace. That's funny considering that they have multiple peace treaties with multiple neighbours, and haven't broken those treaties. And, those other countries don't liek isreal either. hamas doesn't want peace. They wnat Isreal not to exist. This is a fact, and is Hamas' own words.

Not to mention the Giants treated him like crap too so if Arizona manages to beat the Giants even thoguh I'd be disspaointed my team lost; I'd be laughing at them too.

"Veronica Mars is one of the best charactors ever, a teen with an unusual life, very cute" She wans't that original. Decent character; but overrated.

Yeah, I was also wrong when I said neitehr Manning was a 'choker', and they'd both be winning championships, right? Or that the Giants got the better deal with they got Eli for Rivers (even though Rivers is a great QB too), huh? And, look at that, Peyton wins ANOTHER MVP. And, the 'media darling' Brees didn't even get 1 1st place vote. HAHAHAHA! Remember, the Giants had 'no chances' vs the Patriots last year. On top of this, it's not like I said SD had 'no chance' vs Indy. They do; but enough to be the favorites even at home? Nah. P.S. I notice how you quoted the stats thing but avoid commented on it ebcause you know you got skooled on it so you decided to try to make some silly funny about 'Volo is always wrong' even though I tend to be proven more rigtht han wrong in this thread. R00fles!

"real Hercules" HAHAHAHA!

"are as meaningless as stats." Then why did you bother to point out the 'meaningless stat' (your words not mine) of Rivers having a better 'statistical season' than Manning if it is meaningless? L0L

"My response would be no love the bolts at home, with a QB that statiscally put up a better year than manning, superior special teams, argueably better offense, I give the defensive advantage to the colts only because Merriman will not play" Of course, SD is only in the playoffs 'cause of a horrible division. 'Statistically better'. L0L I remember when Manning was the stats man and people still bashed him 'cause he didn't have a ring now all of assuden it's all about the stats. Which is it, people? 9 straight wins. P.S. Of course, SD *does* have a chance to win. Won't take that away from them. But, being the favorites? No way.

"But what is THE REASON that these people feel a compulsive urge to needlessly tamper with established mythology and history?" L0L 'Established' mythology. Do you see how silly that reads? It's mythlogoy. It's not real. You say 'needless'; I say cool. It's good to have different takes. Afterall, Hercules is either an overly violent drunk who murdered his family or the most heroic hero ever depending on who you asked and on what day you ask them. *shrug* "And how pissed off would you be if you got to the end of God of War and found out you couldn't kill Zeus because that messes with cannon. And you can't tear Zeus' assholish anti-atheist wall down though everything up to that point led you to believe that was the whole point." 1. Sounds like an almost carbon copy of MOTB. HA! 2. Canon? We're taling about mythogy, right? 3. Nothing wrong with Zeus. Anyways, Legend of Hercules and Xena: Warrior Princess show that one can mix things up mythology and even history wise and still be entertaining. It's all about entertainment. Mythology, by default, isn't set in stone. History, on the other hand, is a little more tricky to switch up since we're dealing with things that actually exist; but it can be done. Xena/Hercules are good examples again of this.

"Yeah right Volly, then let's kill ALL PALESTINIAN people, because ya know, they deserve it and all." Yeah, because that's exactly what I said. Oh yeah, only not. R00fles!

No love for the Colts. WOWSERS!

"It's not like the palestinian people voted a militant group to lead their government." Weird. Last i checked, Hamas is the very definition of a 'militant' group. And, Fatah, the other powerful party isn't exactly for being non militant, either.

No. Innocent children, and civilians do not deserve to be killed. Sorry.

"Aren't you confusing the Palestinian people with Hamas. Hamas draws strength from repeated violations against civilians, ensuring that however many are killed in these incursions, there will be 10 more to take their place." Are thse the same Palestinian people who voted Hamas into power despite the fact that they are fully aware Hamas purposefully targets civilians? Interesting.

ARI over ATL: Somebody has a superbowl ring; the other is a rookie (a good rookie but a rookie nontheless) INDY over SD: 12-4 team vs 8-8 team? I'll take my chances are the 12-4 team even if they are the road. SD is a tough team; but sorry hard to bet against Peyton Manning. BAL over MIA: This is a really ahrd game to call. can go either way. I'll take Baltimore just because I have to take someone. MIN over PHILLY: I think Philly is the better team; but they're so hot and cold soemtimes you don't know which team you'll get. Plus, Eagles fans don't deserve to have McNabb or Reid so I hope they lose, go to another team, kick butt while Philly sucks for half a dozen years. It will serve them right. Plus, Petersen is a beast.

Of course.

"you really think Hamas is in any danger of running out of militant leaders... " No; but they do run out out of the ability to cause Isreal real damage. This is why there's this constant bombardment of rocket attacks followed Hamas 'wanting' peace, months go by, and then they start up again. Same thing will sadly happen here. Hamas is yelling no peace but as soon as they are damaged beyond ability to do anything they'll demand peace and start the process all over again. It's also not up to Ireal to make Palestinian's lives better. That's Palestine including Hamas' job as an elected party. That said, it be nice if Isreal could help them out but then again Hamas and co don't want no stinkin' Jew to help them.

Oh, it's the old blame doping for all illnesses. That's silly. The doctors already explained what killed him. Even this report doens't actually suggest that his doping cost his death which is why I find it useless tibit of info that adds nothing to the already sad event - espicially since he can't defend himself of the accusation, and the fact it took months for this doping story to break. For some reason, I don't see this being missed. Plus, there's my innate blaisseness when it comes to the anti drug epidemic.