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Who claimed advertising didn't work? I certainly didn't. I know how advertising works, and yes, it can be effective. But, it isn't always so. I'm basing my assumptions ion my opinion. JUST LIKE YOU. Your opinion is that advertising 'experts' NEVER make mistakes, are always correct in how to approach marketing something, and they always had a billion more sales to every thiung they hype. This is blatantely false. If what you thoguht is true many projects of all different stuff that were hyped/advertised big time would NOT have bombed. If advertising 'experts' are perfect as you seem to claim they are, why does this occur? L0LZ

"I think EA is still turning a profit, actually. Can anyone explain all this stuff?" I did with this: It's (supposedly) common knowledge that EA - like most major game publishers - tend to rely on a handful ofm huge sellers. For EA, this is Madden and The Sims to make their money. "And if they didn't market those games they would sell less, which is why they do." Proof please. Also, we're not talking about just any advertsiing but a specific one of two lame football games. That particiualr type of advertising is not gonna make much of a difference to ME2's sales. I seriously doubt more than a handful of people watching them saw that commerical and went 'OMFG I GOTZ TO BUY ME2 THAT GAME ROX MY SOX MUST BUY MUST BUY MUST BUY MUST BUY 8slobber* slobber* Forget football, ME2 is where it is at! OOOOOOO YEAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!"

"If they got things wrong so often they would either be unemployed or the company would be under by now." How many games did EA release last year? How many were successful? How many had subpar sales/ How many outright bombed? It's (supposedly) common knowledge that EA - like most major game publishers - tend tor ely on a handful ofm huge sellers. For EA, this is Madden and The Sims to make their money. Just ask Bethsoft. Sure, they release FO3 which sells millions. But, they release other games that are literally DEAD ON ARRIVAL! Just ask the devs of their ST game.

"I'm going to guess at least 1.5x more than ME. It seems ME sold somewhere around 2.5 million on the PC and 360, which is good, but not all that great for a AAA game." It's perfect for a BIO game, and I bet it sold more than 2.5 copies. It solid I believe 1.7 copies for the 360 alone in the first 2 months or less. You cna't expect every game - even so called AAA games (which BIO isn't though they wish they were) - to sell Mario or Madden numbers. "Also nice to know that our Volo is smarter than a whole department of professionals. If marketing had little to no effect on sales, you'd think that they might want to keep the money." Yup. Are these the same 'whole department of professionals' who often get things wrong? L0LZ "Same as the first one, or a little more." Boo wins.

So, how many sales will ME2 have then?

What's this thread trying to prove? The difference between the two countries is minimal at best. Seriously, is there some major thing I'm missing that being ranked 8th instead of 7th is some sort of major sin? WOW.

Go peyton! Solidify your already admitted awesome. A win here should end ALL talk of Manning's supposed 'choking'. Colts should be heavily favored but I wouldn't rule out NO out. They have a great team also led by a fantastic QB. All the silliness about how this is all about Katrina is sickening, though. I like Peyton, but at this point, I might cheer against NO just out of the arrogance of people who believe NO has a 'devine right' to a SB victory simply because of the terrible thing that happened 4ish years ago. It belittles the talent on the team. NO is in the SB because they are that damn good. Not because of 'divine right' of feeling sorry for a pathetic city so full of itself that it feels 'owed' a win. You aren't owed ANYTHING NO. If your teams wins it is because they are good not because you morally owed it. OFFICIAL PREDICTION: INDY wins as it is hard to bet against Peyton espicially since I think he's having his best season (team should be undefeated, stupid coach); but NO has a legit chance to win. The winner will win by 1 td or less, and it'll be solely based on a late awesome drive by either QB. P.S. SB or no SB, Brees is virtually a lock for the HOF. He just needs longetivty, and he's in.

"I mean people are actually foaming at the mouth over the DLC sh!t. " Irony. Anyways, no biggy on DLC. You like it, you buy it. If you don't, don't. If you steal, you are a scumbag criminal who should be punished for immoral and illegal crime. Really is this simple. ME2 will likely be fun. Wish they didn't so many skills, and stuff. Seriously? 6 talents per character? WTF! Anyone who thinks that that football ad for the game is going to make any significant dent in ME2's sales are sadly mistaken. I have little doubt that ME2 will be in the same range of total sales as ME1.

" a reviewer gave me 1 +90%, then assuming me 2 is a better game they gotta give me 2 better than +90%, no? some o' the reviews for me 1 were ridiculous high; the game were good, but it weren't as orgasmic as many reviewers suggested. would have been more surprised if bioware hadn't fixed some o' the obvious busted stuff from me 1. " NEWSFLASH: Just because YOU didn't think it was that good doesn't mean the reviewer didn't. Everyone rates things differently. *shrug* That advertsiing money was wasted. It probably got ME2 maybe an extra 5 sales. L0L

Codex will no doubt blast it. MMA too. "Boo you are no better with BG2 than Volo is with NWN. This is a farce." yeah, I love NWN so much i rate the OC 75%, and I find SOU oevrrated. Haven't boguht asll the premium mods. I've also heavily criticized certain things in the OC. Again, read my NWN review. Or better yet, read SP's review. I agree with half of what he says and he LOATHES the game. L0L Back to ME2: I'm sure it'll be a fun game, but it does seemed they have dumbded down ME's character system. tSK, TSK.

." You could spend 150 hours playing the game and still wish to replay it. " Fanboy alert! You are echoing BIO's nonsense about BG2's length! BG2 does not have 150 hours of game play. That's silly talk. The game shouldn't take any normal person more than 60-80 hours. "Also 2e rules system sucked." No. Only 3e is arguably better.

" better game than Baldurs Gate II. " It's called NWN. "Even that PoS Metacritic shows it, when now, almost 10 years later BGII is still the 6th best game ever made. And that was back in the day when positive reviews weren't handed out like candy." Wait. Are you 8seriously* using something you call a 'POS' as your prove? That's silly. That's like me claiming Fox News is a garbage news station then using them as evidence for something. It's illogica. btw, 'Professional reviews' are meaningless - espicially when it comes to scores. And, you agree. Unless, you are gonna admit that games like ME, JE,a nd DA are awesome just because the professional reviewers say so. So... which is it? Are they legit sources for 'fact' or are they 'POS'? L0LZ try not have it both ways for when its convinient. "The only insult to the Bioware devs are those drooling fanboys on the forum, who are consistent in only two things: 1. swelling the egos of the Bio devs, by unconditionally praising everything they make 2. driving away anyone who tries to offer even moderate criticism" I agree. Those who still try to claim that BG2 is their best game is unconditionally praising an overrated game that is past its prime and should be shot in the head. It's oveflated like praise that makes me hate BG2 more every day. It was fun to play 10 years ago. But, if it was released now, it would not be so highly praised. The writing is simpler, the combat is dumbed down basic D&D, the characters are mostly just one note with no room for change, lacks real C&C, and doesn't even have non combat skills. Sorry, but if a game's most popular character is a loser like Minsc, it auto loses 10 points. "2. driving away anyone who tries to offer even moderate criticism" You want moderate criticism? Read my review of the NWN OC. You want moderate criticism? read Saint Proverbius' review of the NWN OC. And, oh if you wondering, that guy LOATHES BIO. And, he comes off more unbiased and full of himself than you. You don't do moderate criticism. None of your criticisms are moderate. It's always 'x BIO game sucks horribly 'cause it's not Bg and doesn't have boo in it which is best game ever lalala and everyone who disagrees is retarded'. As ford rooling fanboys.. the worstd rooling fanboys are the ones who bash things yet still intend to buy them. People who buy thuings they think is crap simply because x company made them are the real drooling fanboys. I buy games from *any* company I beleive I'll enjoy. That's smart consumerism.

"consider making games of BGII calibre again." You want them to purposefully make worst RPGs then they do? Wow. I want to see them improve with every outing not regress to semi functional morons like Minsc or to characters where the only worthwhile things about them is sexchange jokes.

"Ramsey is basically trying to counter that." Nah. He's anti Amerikan. Let's call a spade a spade. You could disagree witha country's policies and not support their enemies which is exactly what he does. If the examples given above are even remotely actively, he'd liekly have been labeled a traitor and executed in most other countries. But, he doesn't understand that. "during the civil rights battles of the 60's." Basically a half century ago. People change. "US citizens (actually they were CIA operatives, but thats irrelevant to this story)," Wait... CIA operative (assuming they're actually Amerikan) are suddenly NOT US Citizens? When did this happen? Their job doesn't whitewash their citizenship last I checked.

" Make things equal and tax them like individuals perhaps? " Companies do get taxed. And, they more often than not pay more taxes than your typical individual. Like I sasid, companies have to follow the country'sm laws, have to pay taxes, so they should have the right to have their say. Again, bribery and the like is still illegal so if they try to bribe to get their way, punish them still.

"Wow, yeah, because whether or not somebody downloads works without paying for them is an accurate indicator of their decency as a human being." Thjuieves are scumbags, and no, they are decent human beings. There is ONLY one situation where theft is morrallya cceptable if not sad - if one or one's family is starving. Stealing a video game is pathetic, immoral, evil, and scummy. It's that simple.

Bribery isn't legal nor is this ruling making it so.

That's plain pandering. -5% to ME2's score just for that.

"buy elections." As in bribing voters or pollsters to rig results? That's already illegal so jail them. Do you mean be advrtsing for their chosen politician? *shrug* Nothing immoral. No different than countless volunteers going door to door to pimp their chosen politician.

Waa waa to Obama here. Corportions 9whicha re run by people) have the right to choose sides. Afterall, they pay taxes, and have to follow laws so it makes sense they shoukld ahve the right to voice their opinion, and like EVERYONE, they will pimp what benefits them. It's not like they get bonus votes. 8shrug*

Would it be an actual upset? I dunno. Yeah, NO is favored, but it's not it be shocking of MIn wins. Now, if Ny wins. That's n upset. A disgusting upset. My wish for that game, is for INDY to win HUGE, then begin taunting the arrogant punks and really pile the points on. NY deserves that.

Man. been awhile since I played PST but was the writing always that bad? Holy frig'. That garbage was painful. Show a screenshot of FFG. Her writing better be as awesome as I remember it.

"Someone bitchslapped EA / Bioware again." Yeah, I'm sure BIO/EA will cry as they count their millions of copies sold. R00fles!

"@Volo: you keep tearing a hole in the universe by repeating that nonsense " Sorry.. I just moved passed the basis of BG. It was awesome when you are a kiddie; but for people have matured (well.. aged heh since if you post on the nets you aren't mature), it simply is the basis of basic rpgs. BG is a literal dumbing down of 2E D&D. The characters don't change at all except a handful much later in BG2/TOB. None do in BG1. You cna't even can't the wussy elf (who I loved btw) to stop acting like a gutless funnyman despite everything he faces while in the party. Outside of the choice between Minsc and his g/f with that pansy shemale there is no real C&C to speak of except *maybe* 1 or 2 situations. All BIO RPGS since - be it JE, ME, KOTOR (BIO's worst game I've played), NWN, and DA are all superior RPGs. Bg has lost its lustre for me. "pointless filler." JE had the least filler - pointless or otherwise - of all BIO games. That's why, coincidentally, it's the shortest. It doesn't have spamming combat, silly random travel over empty areas, or silly inventory matrix, and other time wassters. It really was all about action - whether thata ction was combat or dialogue, it didn't matter. It was awesome. Unlike BG.

JE > BG Story, combat, role-playing, , C&C, graphics, music, artwork, characters, writing, EVERYTHING. The only thing that BG did better was that it had dwarves.