Volourn

"AP is the most advanced and wonderful choice driven game to date." You need to play the FOs, PST, ARC, HOTU, JE, ME2, MOTB, and DA amongst other games before claiming that. AP's C&C is lacklustre at worse, and passable at best.

"He's plainly not sane." Being abusive, and a bigot is not proof of insanity. It's proof of being a scumbag.

Well.. if the game was more fun and exciting, maybe I would have. 5 or so hours was enough to drive me bananies. Believe me, i tried to. It's why I didn't rush to share my opinion on the game right away. But, I knwo, every game gets better according to the fans of it the momemebnt one quits it. I played 5 hours so i'm sure I'd have started enjoying it if I just stuck with it for 6 hours.

"I love the automatic blame-the-victim, Mel-was-framed mentality here. " Huh? What thread were you reading? People were anti Mel when thisn thread started because we all took the accusations at face value. Sadly, we all forget, that there are unfortunately, women who do get abused (as well as men so let's not be sexist like some people) there are also people who have no problem making up lies to hurt others and damage their reputations. "Look, the man is worth a half-billion dollars, and can buy off anyone on the planet." Nonsense. "Without proof of Mel's treatment of her, including the fact that while she was holding their child he punched her hard enough to break two teeth, no one would ever believe her over him. Taping his tirades was the only way to get enough proof to have a chance to retain at least joint custody of her child. Otherwise, he would simply pick up the phone, call one of his contacts and she'd never see her baby again." Except, even her own dentists has his doubts that she was actually punched. And, there's dispute that the tape recording is legit. "So let's just wait for the real facts to emerge before we label Mel a misunderstood hero, and the mother of his child a gold-digging whore (or some-such), mmkay? I mean, she might very well be, but evidence to that effect rather than wishful speculation would be nice." Eh. You should a take your won advice since you seem to have made up your mind that he's guilty and even have an excuse ready even if he's found innocent - he just bought everyone off. In essence, Gibson cannot win with you. No matter what happens, you will label him an abusive piece of crap. It should, btw, that his ex wife of a billion years, flatb out stats that he was never abusive towards her or their children. What does she get out of lying for him? *shrug* Hey, I was one of those who believed things at face value and labeled Gibson guilty from the start...

"Was expecting that, thanks :D" Yeah, well, you walked into it. Heh. "Oh come on, everyone should know by now that Volourn is just a troll. Don't waste your time." Having an opinion isn't trolling. Continuing bashing someone eprsonally is. It's also flaming. "Of course, I don't say AP is the best game ever (like ME2 fan say so often), just that despite its flaws it delivers a better game experience to me than ME2. People may agree or not with this, but if you think that AP deserves the 70% of reviews, then ME2 is overrated and shouldn't be above 80%. On the other hand, you could consider AP underrated and having more than 80% and having ME2 at more than 90%." Nah. AP doesn't deserve 70% for reviews. It deserves lower. And, ME2 may not be the best RPG ever, but it's worthy of high scores. Though, technically they're both Action RPGs. "I feel a bit disgusted to hear that ME2 is the rpg of the year for some group of people." Except, it is. Action RPG or not, it is the best rpg of the year. Of coruse, it's only real competition so far is an expansion (DAA) and a SOZZY game like AP with a few alsorans thrown in. Not hard to be the 'best' in that group. "AP was deeper and more complex" No, it wasn't. There was nothing deep or complex about AP. It plays out like anys eason of 24. Same 'ol same 'ol. Not saying ME2 is the height of depth or complexity (after, ME2 is a dumbed down version of ME1); but AP is as shallow as a fly. P.S. I do agree that AP was less buggy than DAO but that's not surprising because DA is a, releatively spekaing, deep and complex game in comparison.

*shrug* Bugs aren't the reason why AP failed. "My bitch slap hand is trembling right now..." Threatening violence over video games. That's the internet in the nutshell. OMGZ Someone doesn't agree with me about soemthing... I MUST HURT HIM HORRIBLY!

"Also, atleast from a story standpoint Kotor 2 was anything BUT average. Especially for the SW universe." The story was slightly above average espicially for the SW universe. Sorry, 'but the force is evil and must be destroyed' is not a deep story. "Also SOZ at least had lots of fun combat in my opinion." SOZ had horrible combat. SOZ makes AP look like PST, FO, or BG2. " I foung the OC weaker." Nah. the OC was better in basically every aspect. "fun combat is the last thing that comes to mind." Disagree. The combat in NNWN2 engine is pretty darn good. Too bad SOZ didn't take advantage of that.

"reading these replies, I wonder what you people still do on the Obsidian forums" NWN2 OC = Above average KOTOR2 = Average MOTB = DA AWESOMENESS All 3 of which are very fun games. Plus, I enjoyed Avellone and company's work on games like FO2 and PST. *shrug*

"I just thought you may be interested in some reviews made by actual players and not websites which got most likely paid to pull the title through dirt by giving it terrible scores (I heard that many reviews were that awful because they were bribed)" This is just ridiculousness. Hey, I'm an actual player, and here's my brief review: AP is simply not a good game. It fails in every meaningful way. Itt's so called big point of C&C is overrated/lacklustre/just not a big deal, the combat is just not good, the main protagnist is just a lame Sheppard wannabe, the main plot is your sterotypical terroriost strike tied in with gov't conspiracy which got old by the end of the first season of a certain TV show that recently ended, the character system is alright but nothing unique or special, the characters are unformly bland and forgettable even the so called 'hot' chicks are failures comapred to other games' 'hot chicks' (mmm ME2 and BL) mmm), the graphics are okay, the music is literally forgetabble ie. i cna't remember one, a certain mini game is the worst one in existence, need I go on? AP could have been good. But it's an utterly failure. The sad part is none of those reasons are why it failed finanically and/or crticially. It failed because it lamely try to piggy back on better games that had the basic concepts and AP simply could not deliver. Tood bad too as there was some early potential. This is Obsidian's biggest downfall because at least SOZ was just an expansion. But, this was their first original Ip, and they dropped the ball. NWN2 OC = Above average KOTOR2 = Average MOTB = DA AWESOMENESS SOZ = SOZZY AP = OO Spaghettio Hopefully, DS3 turns things around as that's another game that has some ptoentially for some fun (even though I don't care for the earlier DS games). Obsidian is a good company that made a bad game. It happens (see BIO with Sonic RPG even though I didn't even bother to play that one). Hopefully, thjey'll learn from their mistakes, and next time out they'll bring the sweetness.

http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/145821/[Gossip]-Mel-GIbson-Wins-Big-In-Custody-Battle.htm

"am having a hard time believing vol played da on the pc, but if he did, it is showing just how... unique is vol." I doubt you know the defintion of unique. If you did, you'd know that my opinion that DA 360 is better than DA PC is far from unique.

"is simple vol syllogism. vol played da:o on a console. vol liked da:o on the console. therefore, da:o is best on the console." ERROR ALERT! FALALCYA LERT! TROLL ALERT! LIAR ALERT! What you wrote is pure garbage. Im bought, and played DA on PC. In fact, consideirnmg I bought a brand new computer just so I can play DA on it, you better believe I would rather have enjoyed the game on PC since I'm quite happy sticking with hockey on xbox. I figured since DA was 'old skool' that it would be better on PC so I planned accordingly. Oh hells no, i was wrong. DA is a vastly superior gaming experience on the 360 for a multitude of reasons none of which are 'I played it only on the 360 so it must be why it was good'. That's a PC fanboyism talking. The only thing DA had over the 360 was the over the top 'isometric view'. everything else, the 360 did it just as good or better. But, now, with the dumbing down of DA2 console combat, that may no longer be the case. Now, hopefully, they'll smarten up the PC version of the journal as DA PC's journal was one of the worst journals I've ever seen. I had to dump DA PC version on my brother because I couldn't be bothered looking at its pathetic wananbe face again. *shrug*

http://www.411mania.com/movies/news/145760/[Gossip]-Holes-In-Oksana-Grigorieva//s-Story-That-Mel-Gibson-Abused-Her?.htm

Interesting. So.. 'Hawke' can be male or female.. The story set up is defintitely different than the typical BIO game. With the combat, I might actually prefer the PC evrsion of DA2 unlike DA1 where the console version was vastly supeiror.

"then live happily ever after with archetype bitch" Huh? That didn't happen in DA. Not for me, anyways.

"Part of a role playing game is the ability to make choices, in character creation and in the game world itself." So.. you didn't buy and/or enjoy games like AP, ME series, and PST?

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/mel-gi...9736&page=1

Actors are no more 'unstable' than your tupiocal loser peon. I'd like to see actual numbers. I bet the percentage of Hollywooders guiltym of scummery isn't unusally high in comparison. P.S. Gibson is still working on two movies.

"And most rapists don't have the excuse of having had their near full-term pregnant wife brutally (and I mean BRUTALLY) murdered by the Manson family." No excuse. In fact, being a victim of some hienous crap should have made him a better eprson. It's not like he was some young guy even then. And, by the way, unless youa re willing to call the victim a liar, it was gflat out rape as she repeatedly said no which he ignored then she proceeded to give up as fighting the grown up man was a useless fight. Quite frankly, Polanski isn't justa rapist, he's a stupid one. Because he spent more time in prison in Swissland 9before he paid tog et out) then he ever would have if he had surrendered himself to the court all thsoe decades ago. But, he's a rapist but a 'popualr' rapist so let him free.

"NWN was also going to have tons of free modules and work associated with it." Huh? NWN had lots of modules - free and paidm for - throughout the eyars. It had 2 expansions. It also had lots of work done on it. It was being patched 5 eyars after release. And, the onyl reason why the work stopped is beause Atari got butthurt over proecting NWN2 from the Big Bad NWN1. L0LZ

He gotta a lot fo flak for his loud opinions and his ahrsh waysn but such passion should be celebrated. I will surely miss him. As for his part in the latest championship, technically, since he was owner he gets credit for it, but he wasn't nearly as hands on for it as before. His son Hank was the one in charge at the time (and still is). I know he was 80, but this seemed to be out of nowhere as I don't recall any reports of him having health problems lately.

"To be honest I don't think I've seen such an overwhelmingly negative reaction to Bioware releasing screenshots since a long time." Nah. The trend with BIO games is they get bashed when first announced and then get praised to the lead up, and then sell like hotcakes with mostly praise alonmjg with a vocal minority who 'knowq' it sucks. Then repeat. Afterall, DA1 was harpooned huge during its media blitz and we know that turned out. Same with ME2.

Krezack covers this. Celebrities do NOT have drug addiction, alcohol abuse, or other crazy antics locked down to them. Of coruse, we HEAR more about celebrities doing bad 9and good) mroe than the common folk but that's ton be expected. You simplty aren't gonna read about Joe Blow from down the road beating up his girlfriend in national news even though, trust me, Joe Blow most certainly is beating his girlfriend up. But, you will read about Mel Gibson doing so. This idea that only the famous do bad things is silly talk. nor does it jive with the real world.

"Hollywood is a sick environment, thats the only way I can explain so many people acting so crazy." Myth. Crazym people exist everywhere, and most Hollywood stars live reasonanly normal lives .. only difference is everything littlem they do good or bad is magnified. As for Gibson/Cruise. Good actors, and I simply don't care about their eprsonal lives except if Gibson is guilty of being a criminal as opposed to just a scumbag he should face punishment.. unlike the rapist Polanksi.

Numbers are suspicious.