Volourn

"But at least somone could finally expliain the appeal of Curling." The majority of Kanadians don't know what the appeal of curling is. I certainly don't.

"the old timey Antarctic explorers angle does add quite a bit to it in terms of uniqueness." Nah. That's been done to death in movies. Anyways, looks like it could be a fun movie.

* SHRUG* I AM REALLY UPSET ABOUT PICTURES OF BEAUTIFUL VIDEO GAME WOMEN *nerdrage*

JE sold over a mil copies. It may not be the success of other BIO games but it certainly isn't a failure. The so called report is false. Trust me on this.

"not sure why'd you want to neglect spells in BG2" I didn't;, and love the spells in BG2; but let's be honest that there were a lot of battles that you simply did not need them. Sure, the boss battles you certainly did, but not your typical encounter. In DA, your best bet to survive is to use your characters' talents or else you could very well die even aagainst 'easy' enemies. "Huh? Mages are even more overpowered in DA than BG" No. No, they aren't. "Only 'tactics' required in BG2 is using the occasional Breach/Warding Whip/Ruby Ray to take down enemy mage's spell defenses." Required? LOL I never needed to use that 'tatic' ever. I only used those spells once or twice to test them out. I just found it wasetful to memorize and/or use those spells in BG2. "only that's exactly what I did in DA, you know, there's a trait that makes knowlege count as strenght towards weapon and armor checks. well, I used it with both my mages and meleed all the way home." So, you purposefully trained/turned your mage into basically a fighter-mage and were SHOCKED SHOCKED SHOCKED that it could melee like a fighter? WOW Talk about the exception to prove the rule. I could take my BG2 mage and falt out melee an ogre without turning him into a fighter. Try doing that with a DA mage that isn't a fighter.

"everything else in DA looked like this: you spot an enemy, send your whole team over there, keep switching targets - all enemies dead. not exactly what I'd call strategic gaming." You just described BG's combat to a tee. Heck, I would clear entire BG maps by simply popint and click and meleeing with all my characters including mages. You certainly can't do that with DA mages who would be killed if they are targetd for more than 6 seconds. In DA, you actually have to use talenst and whatnot to give yourself a shot to win many fights. In BG, just click and watch. Sorry, DA has more depth, and tatics, and strategy in it spinkyn finger than BG or BG2) has in their entirety.

"EA disagrees with you (as you've been told multiple times the figure they have is 1.6 million sold after three months, 2 million shipped, the link has been provided multiple times too) and in a battle of credibility between an EA quarterly report and some random guy on the Codex via Volo filter it's, well, not even a contest." I don't believe you. "but it belies the myth that Bio now make CRPGs as we know them. " They make RPGs, and action rpgs, and other game they want. DA = rpg. ME2 = action rpg

"Mass Effect 2 to sell better than DAO, which it didn't end up doing of course," Except, it likely has. DA at last count had sold 3.2 mil copies in the months its been released. ME2, at last count, was at 2.8mil in 1-2 month or so at the time. DA was release months before ME2. "65% rounded up is 7 / 10 and that's the same score I'd give to the game after 4 full runs and rest of origins done. A solid 7 / 10." You played the game 4 times which is more than me... and, only rate it a 7/10. Heh. I wonder what you'd rate a game you only played once...

"65%? trying too hard to make a point." Grom wins this time. Fellow would have been better off saying that DA 'deserved' a 0% rating. It would have gottent he same point across, and at least would have been hilarious.

"Many independent developers can be excused for the state their games are released in due to lesser resources," Nope. "more than often receive no leeway for it, unlike the big-names." False. "Why cut the big-names slack, who have access to much bigger resources?" Nobody cuts them slack. Nobody. Sure, they have more money to spend but the games also cost more to make, and the sales expectations are few the roof. A game like Geneforge only has to sell a few THOUSAND copies to break even. A game like DA, has to sell HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS or MILLIONS to break even. On top of that, main stream developers like BIO, and Obsidian have to answer to their publisher(owner) as well. Just look at Sega's repsonse to AP. They claim to like the game, but they won't do a sequel ebcause the game bombed financially despite shipping upwards of 700k and likely selling at least a few hundred thosuand of those. You simply really can't compare big time companies with your winky dinky amateur game companies. Also, it should be noted, that in spite of a few noteable exemptions, your typical big time company makes better games than your little internet game companies.

"given how poorly bio balanced skills, talents and classes in da:o," DA's skills, talenst,a ndc lasses are as 'well balanced' as pretty much every other RPG out there. "I think this is the best summary of DAO I've ever seen: " It's as poorly done and so obviously as garbagey as the silly fanboy type reviews. 'what it actually deserves' is such a silly phrase that only a loser punk would use it in a review.

"But god, if true, we are steadily seeing a picture of a completely raped DA. " Rape is forced sexual intercourse. This isn't happening here. Anyways, top down view was the only good thing that the PC version had over the console version. This, of course, is not to be belived until BIo confirms it. This will effect my decision to get the PC evrsion because I wanmted to keep with the tatical aspect of the game. "but it's not encouraging that every tidbit of info so far comes together very cohesively to paint a general picture of where they're going -" Except, a huge aprt of what we've ehard about the game through the media has been either flat out lies or half truths. *shrug* "companion interjection/involvement in some dialogues." Not surprising since this was in DA1....

"my point was that its not really "gaming" in the sense that resident evil, or ninja gaiden, or baldurs gate are gaming, how many games did you choose not to buy this year because you were playing farmville?" Farmville, and its ilk are games. Just a different approach ie. different genre. I tried Farmville, and didn't care for it personally. But, it is a game. I tried a cooking based one, and it was hella fun and I played it for a couple of months before I got bored with it - which is more than what I get out of the majority of 'traditional' games where I play them once maybe twice and throw them in the trash. I personally prefer a BG over a FV but thankfully I'm not so ignorantly arrogant to think games should only be made if I like them myself. That's silly talk.

"whereas games like ME and FO3 got a free pass when it came to similar issues." Wrong. The difference is people, overall, prefer those games (btw I loathe FO3 personally), and the reviewer's opiniona dn experience is more important than ours during their review. Or should they approach writing THEIR review via YOUR experience? That's ridiculous.

"I find reading similar arguments over and over quite tiresome." Yet, you are extremely repetitive yourself. Hypocrite much? "Lets not make the thread about Volo." Agreed. "We all know he's ignorant." Disagreed. the video is crap. Any video entitled 'video game inustry is dying' is crap, and should be lauighed at and ridiculed not praised for spreading lies, falsehoods, and myths. The game industry is in great shape. That's a fact.

Bet half the info there is wrong. Better stick to wait til reading whatb the BIo guys says.

"You haven't watched the video, else you wouldn't be ranting about the BS sensationalist title, I can't help that... I'm speaking specifically about the content there in." Don't need to watch it. The title says everything that I need to know about the video. Game industry is not dying. That's a fact. "The current retail model, and development model is changing. The way things have worked up until now is dying, sure, but games themselves are not. Quit being an ignorant jerk Volo." I'm ignorant for telling the truth? Video game industry is not dying. But civility is consideirng all the nonsensical flaming I'm getting in this thread for telling the truth - video games are not dying. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong. Plain, and simple.

"It's absolutely true the PC gaming industry is dying." No, no it isn't. But, hey, let's all pretend that games like WOW don't exist on the PC. LMAO

It's crap. They know, you know it, I know it, everyone knows. Video games are not dying. That's bull. To try to spin like that makes the video/news article garbage and anyone associated with it scumbag liars who despite their 'experience' in the industry ar eobviously ignorant. Starcraft 2 just sold 1.5mil in 2 two days. the industry isn't die and to say so is to lie.

"but he definitely gets beat up on there." Harmless fun over there. you can't take them seriously - just like I can take people here seriously. It's internet geeks - not real people so nothing to get hurt or angry over. L0L "Everyone gets beat up on there - Volo gets to be a lot angrier, too, so he knows what the game is." Exactly. All in good fun. More on topic: The website snafu just wasn't a big deal. It happens. *shrug*

http://www.rpgcodex.net/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=47582

I clicked on the link and the title read 'Video Games Are dead', rolled my eyes nearly killing myself, and exited out it. Anything with that title is plainly bullcrap to be laughed at and ridiculed not to be takens eriously. In fact, even posting in this thread is too much effort in the face of such a laughable premise.

"Hmm, this volo expression seems new." Ancient. "It's not as good as his original ones, though. I think its part of a money-grubbing DLC pack." "After he was bought by EA he was never the same." R00fles!

Neither ME2 or AP are that buggy. *shrug*

Did you know that many actors are 'happy' to role-play rapists/ As well as mass murderers, child abusers, spousal abusers, and other heinous beings? How sick and twisted of them!!!