Jedi Master Dakari

You wanna know? You really wanna know? I could save you the trouble for...shall we say...a game of Pazaak?

No, I wouldn't pay full price for simply another version of the same game. But I will tell you what I would do. I would return my present version in exchange for the newer ... completed ... version. I think that would make more sense.

As far as felling like you have actually accomplished something at the end of the game ... then Dark Side is the way to go. " But yes, from the emotional stance of the game ... Light Side is the way to go. Plus, it's canonical.

If you are ... them I'm missing it too. Then again, I'm missing quite a few things. *Now where did I put those screws?*

Do you have Mira in your party at the time you walk around the big square hole in the ground? Just checking...because it doesn't work if you don't. You never know with some people. Oh, and if you're not sure about where to stand, when you get to the main square of Nar Shaddaa, just start walking around the center railing, going counter-clock wise(for ease), and the dialogue should begin automatically once you're in the area where Kreia showed you Nar Shaddaa through the Force. And like others have said before, you have to talk to her, extensively, while you both are aboard the Ebon Hawk. However, my biggest quirk with all of this happened after I trained her. Once she became a Jedi I still had the dialogue options to "show her what Kreia showed me". I was hoping it would work again and she would keep building up those Force Points. But of course, it only happened once. It never fails that when I think something's going to happen, the exact opposite happens.

I don't know if any of you have ever heard of it, but I really liked a book I read in...I think the 10th Grade. It's called Song of Fire by Joseph Bentz. It's a bit "holy rolly" to a certain extent, but it is a really good book and I found it hard to put down once I got into it. It's pretty well written, has well developed characters, and the crafting of the world and story line were great. Here's a link to Amazon.com for you to check it out if you're interested. Amazon.com - "Song of Fire" by Joseph Bentz

In the words of a fellow poster... Anyhoo, Darth Nuke, you tend to be a severe selective reader and listener. The simple point that myself and others is trying to get across is what Kreia's true role was. Kreia was not out for revenge against all Jedi and all Sith. She was against the Revan/Malak Sith (I like how you singled it out like that) because they had betrayed her and she wanted revenge. And she was against the current Jedi because they were corrupt, they were arrogant, and yes, they were very complaicent(sp?). The, now gone, Jedi of this era were 'corrupt' in the sense that they (like Atris) could not see if and how they were wrong about a great...many...things (Thank you, Palpatine, for the quote.) They were arrogant in the sense that they could not look beyond the Jedi Code and learn that maybe, just maybe, something was missing in their training, and that their teachings might have been the failing. And they were complaicent in the sense that they never truly assesed the threat of any of the wars that proceeded up to this point, and only "stressed caution" against going to war. I mean, truly, when did you ever hear a Master in K2 admit that the Council had a plan...or that they even devised one? Not one them did. Which tells me, correct me if I'm wrong, they were corrupt to the point that they would have happily 'sat in their halls while the Outer Rim worlds burned', so long as they need not go (besides a select few, of course.) No, Kreia's goal was not to obliverate the Jedi Order. She wanted to 'fix' or 'correct' it...in a sense. She wanted to get rid of the arrogance and hypocracy that plagued it for so long, so that it might gain a little (if any) strength for what is to come. This is clearly seen through her actions against Atris. As Kreia simply put it, her flawed teachings needed to be ended before they began; before she spread her ignorance to others. Kreia, as the Jedi Historian, learned that the Jedi Code does not allow you learn all that which needs to be learned, if you are to know the truth of things. And with evey padawan she trained, she used that knowledge to their benefit and her's. Likewise, every padawan she trained was viewed as a failure. They would all eventually either leave the Order - seeing its arrogance and ignorance first-hand - or fall to the Dark Side. But lets face it...she did train the most powerful Jedi in that time. Sure, Revan was the Dark Lord of the Sith, but he was it by necessity. By seeing the Force through various shades of grey and not through solid white (Jedi) or solid black (Sith), he was able to see a future threat that he wouldn't have otherwise. With this knowledge, he sacrificed himself to the Dark Side so that he could eventually make the Jedi and Republic stronger for it. And Kreia taught the exile in very much the same manner. With the knowledge he learned from her, and with knowledge he learned from being completely cut from the Force, he gain new insight on the universe (and, awkwardly enough, the Force) that he was able to teach others. Teaching them either directly or through influence. These 'others' would be his party members who were the "Lost Jedi". "They were the Lost Jedi, you know? Upon which the future will be built." -- Jedi Master Kreia / Darth Traya According to Kreia, the exile brought truth. Truth that would strengthen the Jedi Code, and build a better future for it. The last remaining Masters of the Council were arrogant enough to ignore it and condem it, and that is why - and what - she fought against them. And her whole deal with "killing the Force"...she was going to do that for the soul purpose of seeing who could live without it. Like she and the exile did. If they could, then they were strong and would be needed. If they couldn't, then they deserved their fate. I don't agree with her on this, but that was her view nonetheless. Or atleast, these are my views on Kreia. Now, if there are to be no Jedi or Jedi Council in the next game, then why does Kreia give you this insight (keep in mind, Light Side is canonical)... Her quote: "They were the Lost Jedi, you know? Upon which the future [future of the Jedi Order] will be built." When you ask the fate of Brianna, she informs you that she will assume Atris's role as the Jedi Historian and go on to teach others - newer, younger, Jedi - about the exiled Jedi who gave up the Force, and became stronger for it (by giving him a new view on the way things were...a human view.) When you ask the fate of Mical she informs you that he will sit on the new Jedi Council (Jedi Master on the High Council? Maybe, maybe not...but on a Jedi Council nonetheless.) Whether you ended the game as male or female, lightside or darkside, and whether you trained party members as Jedi or not, keep in mind that through the exile's bonds (as Kreia strongly emphasized) he had been teaching them all along, whether you knew it (meant to) or not. So, canonically, Brianna does become the Jedi Historian and train new Jedi. Mical does become a Jedi and does sit on the new Council. The other 'prospective jedi' party members do become Jedi as well. But whether they take on an role in the training of new students, or any active role in the Order period, is unseen. But these two we do know of for certain, and can count on. Alright...I've talked enough...and if you can't get anythign from me, or from what's clearly explained in the game, then I've done all I can do.

Dude, trust me, it's better than anything I could ever do on Paint! :"> Still laughing though, sorry!

Uhm, The Sith Lords does not take place only five years after the Mandalorian Wars. There are four years between K1 and K2. 4years And there are at least two years between the end of the Mandalorian Wars and Revan's return from the Outer Rim as Dark Lord of the Sith. +2 years There should be at least one year for Revan to have been in control of the Sith forces before being betrayed by Malak. I would assume more, but since there are no changes in the appearance of the characters, I would say only one. +1 year Then, there are at least two years for Revan to have settled down in his new life and his new memories begin to resurface. +2 years So, there should at least be nine years between the end of the Mandalorian Wars and the beginning of The Sith Lords.

Uhm, I'm sick and tired of people saying, "But the Jedi are all dead! There can't be a Council!" How do you know that!? In K2 there were three Jedi left! Masters Vrook, Kavar, and Zez-Kai Ell. Yet, they still formed a Council to decide your fate, and their next step in dealing with the Sith. I'm not counting Atris because she had already fallen to the Dark Side, she only needed to admit it; nor am I counting the exile because he was exiled so many years ago, and never formerly accepted back into the Order by any of the Masters. Besides, you (nor anyone else for that matter) do not know how many years - and what events - take place between K2 and K3. The three Masters from K2 are stripped of the Force. Some might have even died from it. But had they not, they are Jedi no longer. But there are Jedi who still lived after the game ended. Brianna, Mical, Atton, Bao-Dur, Mira, Visas, Juhani, Jolee, and Bastila. Juhani's and Jolee's fates are unknown, but we all assume they still live somewhere. If all of the masters of the Order are killed, then it is up to the remaining Jedi Knights to take up that role and lead the Order. And forgive me for saying this and sounding so rude, but in my opinion if THREE Jedi can put together a rinky-dink council in the broke down, bootleg piece of $HIT left over on Dantooine, then I'm pretty sure nine of the remaining Jedi could certainly put SOMETHING together. And if one Jedi (not even trained properly; like Luke) can train Jedi and reconstruct the Order, then (enough years permitted between the two games) I'm sure nine could take on their roles as teachers and train more in the ways of the Jedi. Just because the Jedi Masters that we know and have become familiar with have died or had the Force stripped from them does not mean that the Order ceases to exists! It is not that hard to comprehend. When a Master on the council dies, yeah its sad...blah blah blah, but he/she is simply replaced by someone else. And if fate decides that all on the council die out suddenly, then other Jedi rise to the occassion and accept that responsibility. It is not set in stone (nor out of reach in any sense of the phrase) that "Ooo, all the Jedi are dead, there is NO COUNCIL!" Because who are your to say there isn't? I actually have more evidence and proof to say it is possible than you do to say it isn't. So, unless a developer or writter from K3 tells me any different, I'm going to be operating under the idea that there will be actual Jedi (and possibly a Jedi Council) in the next game. If your theories are different than others, that doesn't mean you have the right to flame them! Ever since I started posting here I have always respected others' opinions and never once have I berated someone about them. I only wish that you show others that same respect!

Nah, all I heard were ECHOES. PS: Am I, seriously, the only one who got sick of hearing that word - over and over - throughout the entire game?

^ I think that you have some very solid ideas and I would certainly consider some of them if it were up to me. " I do not think that Bastila and Carth will be party members in K3. That is not to say that they will not make more appearances, though. And as for being Revan again...no. Simply put. The assumed KotOR trilogy has a standard that has been set, and one of the set types is a new main character for each individual game; respectively. About Bastila and Carth: I, for one, obviously want Bastila to return as one of the Jedi Masters on the newly revived Council. Will it happen? Maybe not but I can hope. But she was given a task, like the others, to keep the Republic strong for what is to come. And Carth should also make another appearance. This is imparitive since he is an admiral and was given the task to keep the Republic, militarily, stable. On to another thing... Some people have mentioned Dustil Onasi making a return, but have also forgotten that he was under training at the Sith Academy. He was even the most powerful student (until Revan's arrival) and caught the eye of Master Uthar. If you chose Revan to be on the Light Side, then I think he should make an appearance as a Jedi in K3. Not necessarily on the Council, but maybe even the main characters master at the first of the game. He's very much older, has obvious experience, and is considerably powerful in the Force. It's not a completely baseless idea. You just have to consider the facts for it to make any sense.

So...how about that Atris and exile meeting?

I really like your fan-comics; especially the one with the Exile in the Dancer's Outfit! I laughed so hard. Request: I would really love to see your interpretation of a male exile's first time reuniting with Atris on Telos. Now that would be interesting to see!

Oh, and people are forgetting... Master Vandar cannot make any appearance in K3 simply for the fact of the matter that he is DEAD. (Unless he appears, in the manner others think Kreia will, as a Force Ghost. And for that matter, Kreia HATED the Force - and wished to kill it - so I don't think she became one with it. To say the least.) If you chose that Revan returned to the path of the Light Side, then Master Vandar died with the last Jedi Council on Katarr. If you chose that Revan submitted to the Dark Side again, then Master Vandar obviously died in the Republic's assault on the Star Forge. Please pay a little more attention, people.

PS: Going back to the Atris, Briana, Jocasta Nu, thingy about the Jedi Historian... Does anyone other than myself see a resemblence in the robes of Atris, and then the robes of Jocasta Nu? Is it possible that these robes may be the traditional garment handed down, or stylized, from one Historian to the next? With thousands of years passed resulting in the not-so-white Atris looking robes on Jocasta Nu in Episode II. They both seem to "bear the symbols of the Ansata, indicating devotion to knowledge and learning." Here's a link if you wanna check...Star Wars Databanks: Jocasta Nu - Expanded Universe

I'm just going to reiterate what I posted earlier... I would like to see the forced classes (eg. Jedi Guardian, Jedi Sentinel, Jedi Consular) go out the window. I want there to be an implimentation of the orginal (movie) StarWars classes (eg. Jedi Padawan, Jedi Knight, Jedi Master.) I fell that K3 should start with a new character who has begun his training as a Jedi Padawan in the revived Jedi Order on Coruscant. The revived Jedi Order should have the new Jedi High Council consist of Bastila, Mical, Briana, and possibly Jolee being four of the twelve Jedi Master. Briana would be the new Jedi Historian (assuming Atris's role) very much like Yaddle in Episode I's High Council and Jocasta Nu before her. I would also love to see a Rakatan Jedi Master on this new Council. I mean, when you left them in K1 they were experimenting with reintroducing midi-chlorians back into their DNA. They also want to make peace with the galaxy for the crimes of their ancestors. What bettrer way to pay the galaxy back then by becoming a Jedi. I would like for the game to start with you being a level 1 Jedi Padawan. Possibly have a member of the Council as your master. Maybe not. Anyway, when you reach level 15 you automatically become a Jedi Knight with new feats, skills, and force powers open to you; and you no longer have your master in your party (if he/she is in your party anyway) because there is no more use for him/her. Also, at level15 you could also select your very own Jedi Padawan (giving you a side-quest depending on their gender.) Once your character reaches level30 (your Padawan reaching level15, you having successfully trained him/her to Knighthood) you become a Jedi Master; with the most advanced feats, skills, and force powers open to you. This would be a perfect way to get rid of the forced classes that do not even exist in the movies. For example, Barris Ofee was a Padawan. When she reached Knighthood, sure she took on the position of a Jedi Healer, but she is still a Jedi Knight (plain and simple) reguardless. And had she lived to train a Padawan who succeeded in his/her trials and became a Knight, then she would have likewise been ordained a Jedi Master. Simple as that. Just take away the forced classes and turn their (until now) restricted feats and make them universal. Sure you wont be able to get them all but atleast you will be able to get the better feats of all classes and not be stuck with a Jedi Master who can't even hold his lightsaber straight, or a Jedi Weapon Master who can't stun a frog much less shock a Sith like in K2. It's ridiculous that the character should be forced into such cirumstances when in "real" Star Wars there are no restrictions other than the Jedi's own strength with the force or weakness of the mind. And even these can be changed with discipline. Anyway, I've rambled enough. I think I might have gotten my point across but if anyone has any questions feel free to PM me or post a message here.

I would rather them take their time with it, instead of releasing a patch that likewise needs patching. That would kind of defeat the purpose, wouldn't it? Though I would prefer them to also take time on the game and it not need patches to begin with. But then again the fault lies with LucasArts for this problem, not Obsidian. Please note that I'm not bashing LucasArts, just stating obvious fact ... based on what I've been told, what I have read, and what I have seen.

Me too! Well, welcome to the boards! Oh, and Happy Saint Patrick's Day , everybody!

I actually think Obsidian is doing a really good job so far. The only reason they are not as "generous" as any other company at the moment is because they are pretty small and fairly new. I'm sure they don't have the financial backing and stability many of the other companies, such as BioWare, do already. It will be a while before they do.

I didn't write that much ... gosh! :D Somebody reply, please? Any Moderators or Developers on the threads? Let me know what you think, hmm?

I wish you could do that to other people's threads sometimes. Oh, this situation sometimes arises when people are too impatient to wait five seconds for their thread to post so they hit the "Add Post" button again, and sometimes again, which causes duplicate threads at the same time. I know ... I sound like a nerd.

I haven't had this problem. You also have another post with another problem that I never knew about. I think your mishaps might have something to do with your version of the game itself. Are you running the game off a HDD on a modded XBOX? If you are then you should be aware that the developers have released warnings about this same problem with the screen going balck and such. If not then there might something wrong with your own personal disk itself. If the problem persist then I advise returning your copy of the game in exchange of another. If you explain your reasons for returning then there shouldn't be a problem in doing this. If this does not fix the problem, then you will probably have to PM some developers you problem. Sorry I couldn't help, Jedi Master Dakari

I wouldn't pick up a new XBOX until XBOX2 is realeased. Am I the only one who actually reads the little captions at the bottom of the load screens? They actually do give you good advice every once in a while, you know? Such as "Save often, and in different slots." "

Are you saying that you have successfully created mods for your XBOX version of the game? If so ... how? And where did you get the mods?