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My Consular's single blade was Viridian. My Sentinel's mainhand blade was Silver and offhand short blade was Bronze. I wonder if it's possible to created a black blade.

Sorry, that's not scientific. I theorize that there are invisible pink fairies all around us who vaporize upon death and leave no evidence. Is that a valid theory until proven wrong?<{POST_SNAPBACK}> Sorry, but your example is not a theory - at least according to my dictionary: the

I'm not so sure about that. For the cut scene of Kreia departing Atris' meditation room the developer inserted the following: {Gameplay Programmer: Cut to a sequence of Kreia leaving the holocron chamber along the walkway, the door open behind her. She is alone, and Traya cannot be seen. There should be the sense that something terrible has happened, but the player cannot see.} I assumed this meant that Kreia had converted Atris into the new Darth Traya. There is also the following dialog: Kreia: Know that there was once a Darth Traya. And that she cast aside that role, was exiled, and found a new purpose. But there must always be a Darth Traya, one that holds the knowledge of betrayal. Who has been betrayed in their heart, and will betray in turn. You have bathed in the knowledge of the Sith. But there is not enough truth in such teachings... but it will be a step for you. Atris: How did it happen? Kreia: Search your heart. It was never battle that called to you. Never battle that caused you to fall. Let us say that Malachor V has touched many things, and it casts its echoes still. Atris: Why did he betray me?

I've just remembered that the whole idea of Kreia having been exiled comes more from what the Exile asks her in the following dialog: Exile: "If the council cast you out, how come Atris and none of the Jedi Masters mentioned you?" Kreia: Ignorance... and perhaps they do not remember, or care. It is of no consequence to me, or to them. Exile: You are lying. Kreia: Am I? Then perhaps you should know... there are techniques in the Force, where one can cloud the memory of others, make their presence so small as to be unnoticed. And on the worlds where we have encountered these Jedi... there is much life and death, where sensing such things is difficult. By the way, this is where Kreia practically confessed that she has been able to cloud the minds of any Jedi Masters they've met so that they would not recognise her. This explains why Vrook did not recognise her in the crystal cave or Khoonda and Kavar did not recognise her on Onderon. However, both of them recognised her as soon as she addressed them in the rebuilt enclave.

And near the end, Atris says, "Kreia? Oh... that is not her name."

One of my favourite moments not mentioned so far occurs between the Exile and Kex, the grouchy Mandalorian quartermaster on Dxun: Exile: You still holding a grudge? Kex: You still breathing? :D

The following remarks by HK-47 lend further support to the theory that Kae (Kreia) survived Malachor because she was one of Revan's strongest supporters:

I defeated Kreia by repeatedly using Force Confusion on the last floating lightsabre.

The transcription for the cut scene entitled Kreia's Fall can be found in the dialog.tlk file. Kreia's script reads as follows: Has anyone ever encountered the version above labelled "Alternate" ?

Question: How did Handmaiden end up getting the Jedi robes of her mother, Master Arren Kae? Perhaps they were left to Handmaiden when her father, General Yusanis, died. But how did he get them? We know that he followed Arren Kae to fight the Mandalorians and according to Handmaiden, "She died in the battle that shattered Malachor V, and her body was never recovered." Doesn't it seem strange that Arren Kae's Jedi robes were recovered, but not her body? Perhaps Arren Kae didn't die at all. Perhaps she simply fell to the dark side where she would have no further need of Jedi robes. And how would witnessing Arren Kae's fall to the dark side have affected General Yusanis? "When my father returned from the Mandalorian Wars, he walked as you do now. There was something wounded inside him. He did not speak of what had happened there. And with us, he was silent. Changed." -- Handmaiden to Exile

Kreia tells the Exile, "...Atris and the others blamed me, sentenced me. They believed me responsible for Revan's fall." And, at the bottom of one of the load screens you can read, "Jedi who have turned from the Order are either imprisoned or sent into exile." I suppose there's little doubt that Kreia turned from the Order, so just add two and two. 1. There's likely a huge age difference between Kreia and Handmaiden making it difficult to compare. 2. Kreia's face is mostly covered making it difficult to compare. 3. Handmaiden only says she honours her mothers face to explain why she looks different from the sisters. She never actually saw her mother. 4. Disciple indicates that Kreia's face has changed much when he tells her, "I know you - not even the markings of the dark side can hide it."

Find the dialog.tlk file in your game's root directory, open it with WordPad and search for the quote. It is only Kreia who says she was exiled because of her teachings. However, she has been known to lie. Besides, I doubt the writers would have her actually admitting that she was exiled for having a child if that were the case. Like I said on page 1, there's no proof that Kreia was Kae. However, the theory hasn't been disproven, either. The story goes out of it's way a number of times to identify Master Kae as having taught alongside the Jedi Masters we knew from KotOR I. The story also places someone who has changed her name to Kreia in that same group, around the same time, with the same Padawan (Revan) and with exactly the same fate - presumed killed at Malachor. So when Handmaiden mentioned that they never recovered her mother's body I got really suspicious.

But he doesn't say that Kae was not his first master, either. Consider the following 2 quotes: "As a Padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae, before she was exiled. Strange, I do not recall who Revan's master was after that. And it is said that he went to his first - and final - master to learn how to leave the order entirely, as she had." -- Disciple "He came to me, yes. Both before and after, before Revan knew himself. And after, in the times when Revan was coming into his own and learning he was more than he had been told. At one time, Revan was my Padawan. In times past, long ago. But Revan, when he had learned all he could, had other masters... that fool Zhar, and other Jedi on other planets. He learned from each. But in the end, he turned back to me. When he realized there was nothing more to be learned from the Jedi - except how one could leave them forever." -- Kreia According to your interpretation Revan must have became Kae's Padawan at some point after being Kreia's Padawan. Disciple doesn't recall who Revan's Masters were after Kae, however he must not remember who Revan's Master was before Kae either to have forgotten about Kreia. And then there's the coincidence of these two Masters both being exiled, following Revan to war and being thought to have died without either body being recovered.

According to Disciple: "And I knew that if I were to have a Master, I would want it to be you. And then you went to war. Many Jedi went to war, and the Jedi Masters proclaimed that you were Jedi no longer. I knew at that moment, that if you would no longer be a Jedi, then you must be correct. I realized I did not want to be a Jedi - instead, I wished to follow your path. And in any event, there was no one to train me, even if I wished it. They all went to war, as I grew past the age of acceptance." Nothing very specific about the Exile being "lost to the Jedi" on Malachor V. Although, we do know that Master Kae was lost on Malachor V, even though her body was never found. And don't forget that when Master Kavar finally meets Kreia on Dantooine he say, "I thought you had died in the Mandalorian Wars..."

Yup. He says it himself. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I understood that Disciple had hoped Exile would become his master, but I'm not sure that the Exile had actually been Disciple's intended master. In fact, I don't even recall the Exile ever having reached the level of Jedi Master. And if the Exile actually was to be Disciple's master then who was "lost at Malachor V" ? Exile: "Are your feelings on this matter clear?" Disciple: "They are. The one who was to be my Master was lost at Malachor V. I want you to teach me the ways of the Force." Also, why does Kreia refer to Disciple as "Betrayer" ? She also tell's him, "You are a wasted pawn of the Republic, young one. You could have been so much more..." That's when Disciple tells her, "I know you - not even the markings of the dark side can hide it."

It didn't move to the bottom for me.

Well, I've now been playing with Disciple in my party and his interaction with Kreia was exactly as I suspected; even better. Kreia (invisible) speaking into Disciple's mind: "Jedi." "Betrayer." "All thoughts of me will slide from your vision, from your mind, like water." "You know who I am. But you will be unable to voice it, to remember it." "What does a Jedi see?" "Only what I allow them to see." And how does Kreia know Disciple? It's likely that Kreia/Kae was to be his Master. "The one who was to be my Master was lost at Malachor V." -- Disciple to the Exile

Like I care.

...Or perhaps some jokes that a lot of people just don't get. In any case, I think we can agree about where this is all headed. One way or another, the needs will be answered. It's just that I, personally, would much rather get the explanations to Obsidian's jokes from Obsidian than from the modding community.

When was the last time you heard a comedian leave out all the punchlines because, after all, they only constitute a small percentage of what he is saying?

Oh really?? If the customer is not the center of their universe then who is? Newsflash: If there was anything wrong with the money I paid then Lucas Arts would have every right to complain. Very well put!!

Oh, I love self referential stuff like that. In the original Max Payne there's a great scene where he's suffering severe halucinations from a drug overdose. Someone keeps phoning him to tell him nothing's real and that he's just a character in a video game. :D

My part too. In fact, if that's not the case then it's truly tragic for it to be taking so long for a mere bug patch to be released. At least then, the modding community would have a relatively bug-free platform with which to pick up the baton from where Lucas Arts dropped it.

I heard something similar from George W Bush supporters who asked, "Why should the people of Canada care so much about who we vote for president? You don't see us complaining about the leader of Canada." The reality is that Canada's leader just doesn't matter as much in the world as America's leader. Similarly, Vampire: the Masquerade-Bloodlines just doesn't have the huge following that the Star Wars saga has. No matter how badly Vampire could ever be messed up it would never have the scale of impact that mishandling a Star Wars chapter does. And as much as we all appreciate the tandem feedback from Feargus Urquhart and Mike Gallo, it would be worth so much more if they could be a bit more specific. Merely stating that using the cut content wouldn't "make sense" is not going to help the existing product to suddenly make sense. For example: Why did it not make sense to include Atton's death scene? How could it possibly make more sense to leave in the GOTO vs Remote scene? Feargus, we are all willing to meet you more than halfway on issues like these if you simply give us a bit more to go on. Believe it or not, nobody here actually wants to believe it was a rush job, but so far, you're not really giving us much choice.

In what way do you think KotOR II's story was so much better? [some KotOR I spoilers follow] My point is that KotOR I was packed full of story elements that could have easily been missed by anyone playing it only once. And if you did encounter most of these then there must be a lot in KotOR II that I've missed for it to have a "MUCH better story."