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Oh man, that is sad. I'm glad they left it out instead of just abandoning the poor kid in there. Or worse... maybe it culminated in a battle where you're forced to kill Dustil.

Yes, it was posted somewhere in this thread. Here is the raw text of his dialog: "tomb{Dustil has been trapped here a while and he is stark, raving mad}Another vision! Don't think I can't see through this deception.The vision leaves, only to sneak up later when I am less aware. Better to silence it now.{screaming, louder at end}You won't have me! You won't have me!{mocking}Ah, the existential vision. What causes me? Why am I a vision? {serious}Deceptive vision. Dustil the Jedi is wise to your tricks.{mocking and ranting}"I am not a vision" says the vision. Ha! Well then, I am not Dustil Onasi, son of Carth, no. I am not a Jedi either.I am Jedi. So proud, so proud to be. I escaped the dark side only to return. Why did I return?Why? The other Jedi wanted to. They tricked me. Oh, they tricked me. I did not know then that they were all visions. Visions all.The vision speaks of my father, not knowing I killed him twenty two times, and he has killed me, but I did not die.He won't be coming back for me, not again. With his tricks. {shouting}His tricks! {tortured yell}Oh, father! {sobbing}Why did you leave?!Of course the vision knows my name. It probes my thoughts. But I am learning the tricks, I am. Soon I will block them out entirely.{ranting quiety to himself}Yes, questions. Visions always have questions for Dustil... before the killing starts. I won't answer! {yelling}Hear me apparition! I won't answer!I'll be going now.Do you know what causes the visions here?I am not a vision.You are a Jedi?Carth? You are Carth Onasi's son?You are Dustil?You killed those other Jedi!Who are you talking about?Who are you?DustilOnasiGeneral! Is the way clear?"

Yes. According to Kreia: "You are spending time with the servant of Atris. I knew her mother. She was a Jedi Knight - a master, named {ERIN}Arren Kae. Jedi are forbidden to have children, and when the crime finally came to light almost a decade later, Kae was exiled. She joined the Mandalorian Wars after the shame of her birth was revealed. Revan welcomed her. And she was... said to be... a skilled warrior. Beautiful. And strong in the Force."

Bingo!! I found it. With enough influence over Kreia she will confess the following: "Ah... and what did you wish to know of Revan?[influence: Success] She came to me, yes. Both before and after, before Revan knew herself. And after, in the times when Revan was coming into her own and learning she was more than she had been told. At one time, Revan was my Padawan."

That was only a small part of the evidence I was collecting about Kreia possibly having been Master Kae. Here's a bit more: 1. About Revan's masters it was said, "Revan had many Masters. Zhar, Dorak, Master Kae before Kae left for the Wars." I don't believe that Kae, the only female master listed, was mentioned by coincidence. 2. Kae was exiled for having a child. Kreia was also exiled by the Jedi council, but we never learned why. 3. There's an interesting bit of unused dialog from when your party first meets the mercs above the military base on Telos: Hrmph... Arren Kae.[sounds disgusted.]Hrmph... Eras Jast.Hrmph... the "Jedi."Executive Lorso did say you were dangerous... maybe she *does* know what she's talking about.We'll see. You may have caught a few of my boys off-guard... but let's see how you fight now, "Jedi."Attack! 4. The Disciple said, "As a Padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae, before she was exiled." 5. Revan was also supposed to have studied much about force bonds. Perhaps he learned that from Master Kae and that could explain how Kreia knew the technique.

Same for me in a number of places, even with NPC behaviour set to Stationary. Sometimes it helps to advance in solo mode and draw out a few hostiles at a time to where your teammate has been left camping. This works especially well when it's Atton camping in stealth because he gains a huge "Sneak Attack" bonus to his initial hits.

[Edit: I hope nobody minds that I've editted the title of this thread to reflect that it overwhelmingly deals with only the first of the 2 Questions I was originally asking.] Kreia was Handmaidens mother, right? I just assumed that when Kavar said to her, "I thought you died on Malachor V" that he was referring to Master Kae, Handmaiden's mom. Besides Kreia acknowledged being one of Revan's Masters and elsewhere Master Kae was mentioned as being one of Revan's Masters. Even Sion refers to Kreia's hopes to train one as great as her former apprentice (Revan). And when Kreia speaks of have the galaxy by the throat at one time, I suppose she meant through Revan. And then there's all the complicated emotions that Kreia always reveals whenever Handmaiden is mentioned including her exclamation of "betrayal" when Handmaiden accepts Jedi training. Oh yeah, and they both have white hair. This was the second question: The droid factory should have been under the abandoned military base on Telos, right? After listening to the unused HK-47 sound clip that camicortes posted a while back, it's quite clear that the factory was supposed to be on Telos. It just seemed odd that the HK-50 units that arrived just after you depart the underground base seem to be making a routine visit, like they're there quite regularly. They react like their home has been ransacked. Perhaps that unusable door leading to the sublevel originally lead to the droid factory. Thoughts?

1. Kreia - superb!! 2. Bao-Dur - "I'll take the stupid one who decided to threaten us rather than shoot us when he had the chance." Softspoken manic. :D 3. Visas Marr - Great cut scene intro performance, but ended up one too many dramatic pauses away from scoring higher. Honourable mentions: Gerevick (chief salvager thug) - "You must not have heard who I am. Waste another's time, not mine. Someone less important." Captain Riiken (Onderon) Jana Lorso (Czeka boss on Telos) Most improved actor: Terena Adare (Dantooine administrator) - Much better in KotOR II. A convincing senator in the making. Was terrible as Bastila's mom in KotOR I. Least improved actor: Gegorran the Onderon street vendor - Was ok as Mission's brother Griff in KotOR I, but should not have used EXACTLY the same voice in KotOR II. It would have been much better if they would have simply had Griff himself reappear, ending up as an Onderon street vendor 4 years later. Worst actor: Atris - I hope they saved lots of money on her. By the way, Sion and HK-47/50 were also performed well, but their voices were so filtered and reprocessed that it ends up rather difficult to compare them with the others.

Here's a link to an agency's www-page for her including a 1.5 MB mp3 with over 3 minutes of sample ads she's performed. Hearing Kreia's voice promoting Dior cosmetics is good for a chuckle, if not a bit of a chill down the spine. :D

She was probably my favourite voice actor in KotOR II - like a female Uthar Wynn. Did Sara Kestelman voice any of the characters in KotOR I ? And did she perhaps deliver any of the other voices in KotOR II besides Kreia? "Awaken... beast!!"