The Great Phantom

The next stop for you: the Land of the Dead! Oh, wow... I sware, that was an accident. No, seriously, it was. What, where did you come from? What? No, I didn't kill this guy, I was trying to help him pull the thousands of poisonous needles from his intestinal tract. What? How did I know they were poisoned? Well... um... Oh, this really isn't what it looks like. Well, okay, I suppose it is...

The Dragon Lance books are a decent read... So are many of the Forgotten Realms books (I just checked out like 15 of them at the library... It was funny, because the librarian had to give me a bag to carry them all in). Jordan's Sword of Truth series is pretty good, but I wouldn't recommend it to people younger than 13 or so... Then again, I read it when I was 11, so...

Grey Jedi: A Jedi that is either a Dark Jedi, or a Jedi that realizes the apathy of the council is doing more bad that good. Just pointing that out, for all those that actually believe there is a Grey Side.

Not quite what I was saying. The Force is merely a reflection of life. It is a BIG mirror. It wants the same thing life wants. Its only 'emotions' are those that life has. Its only patience is what life has, as well. [1.] The Force is am embodiment of all that is living. It isn't necessarily alive itself, but is a connection. Since it IS life, naturally it will act like it. [2.] If life stayed single celled, then the Force would have too. But Life went and got a brain, and discovered "Hey, if I run this through an old lady, then she dies! FEEL THE POWER! I can take away life!" and other such emotions and morals. The Force, being an embodiment of life, had to follow suite, and also developed a form of sentience, but it is only a mirror. It wants balance (because it is a more powerful reflection of nature). [3.] As for it guiding you: It will only follow along for the ride. It's more of a cause and effect thing; As you make choices, it 'determines' the eventual effects, and MAY (or may not) 'send' (via the Jedi) somebody to a critical point in the new timeline that was just created. BUT, there are THOUSANDS of MILLIONS of things like this going on, which is why only those that can also control the Force are likely the only ones that feel like they have a responsibility to preserve Balance and Peace. [4.] Now, ask a more-than-average person what their favorite state of being is. Most people (if they actually dig in deep; I've had a teacher that did something like this at one point) will say Peace. Anything else is turmoil, or another taxing state, and can be quite uncomfortable. Nature (all of it) naturally seeks this peace and tranquility, which is also the Force's goal. [5.] It's not good or evil, but a reflection of those that it touches. Each person can see it as something different, based on their personality (either something that can give you power: You'd be controlling the ONLY thing that ALL life has in common; or something that should be preserved and protected: once again, it's the ONLY thing that ALL life touches). [6.] I still think that you shouldn't believe Kreia's reason for hating the Force. It is likely that she blamed it, because her tormentors were (rather coincidentally, I might add) those touched by, and could control, it. Kreia was quite like Ca

All those reagents can actually be found in Seyda Neen, metadigital. I hope that Oblivion carries through on the automatic transit as promised.

@ Anoon Bondera: In Kotor I, Bastila's in her twenties. Where did you get her as younger than Mission (who's 13)? Bastila is a fully mature adult. She was about 14 ish (most likely more) when Revan went to the Mandy Wars.

KOTNR: Jedi Academy Hmmm... it seems I've seen that done before.

Sounds to me like your describing an omnescient, omnipotent and omnipresent diety -- a God. It's sitting back, with unlimited patience, and helping individuals up to a crisis for them to choose (free will). You've just described the Judeo-Christian God. All you need to do now is garnish with omniscience: The Force knows what you will choose beforehand, and -- even if / when you choose poorly / Darkly -- will be there to help you at the next bifurcation in the space-time reality. (A Merciful God.) Which is fine -- except it is vastly different to a gravity-like force (small "f"). :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Not quite what I was saying. The Force is merely a reflection of life. It is a BIG mirror. It wants the same thing life wants. Its only 'emotions' are those that life has. Its only patience is what life has, as well. The Force is am embodiment of all that is living. It isn't necessarily alive itself, but is a connection. Since it IS life, naturally it will act like it. If life stayed single celled, then the Force would have too. But Life went and got a brain, and discovered "Hey, if I run this through an old lady, then she dies! FEEL THE POWER! I can take away life!" and other such emotions and morals. The Force, being an embodiment of life, had to follow suite, and also developed a form of sentience, but it is only a mirror. It wants balance (because it is a more powerful reflection of nature). As for it guiding you: It will only follow along for the ride. It's more of a cause and effect thing; As you make choices, it 'determines' the eventual effects, and MAY (or may not) 'send' (via the Jedi) somebody to a critical point in the new timeline that was just created. BUT, there are THOUSANDS of MILLIONS of things like this going on, which is why only those that can also control the Force are likely the only ones that feel like they have a responsibility to preserve Balance and Peace. Now, ask a more-than-average person what their favorite state of being is. Most people (if they actually dig in deep; I've had a teacher that did something like this at one point) will say Peace. Anything else is turmoil, or another taxing state, and can be quite uncomfortable. Nature (all of it) naturally seeks this peace and tranquility, which is also the Force's goal. It's not good or evil, but a reflection of those that it touches. Each person can see it as something different, based on their personality (either something that can give you power: You'd be controlling the ONLY thing that ALL life has in common; or something that should be preserved and protected: once again, it's the ONLY thing that ALL life touches). I still think that you shouldn't believe Kreia's reason for hating the Force. It is likely that she blamed it, because her tormentors were (rather coincidentally, I might add) those touched by, and could control, it. Kreia was quite like Ca

What if Revan was a girl? The gender should be a choice, and I (like most people) don't want that tampered with.

I will say one more thing: By 'lead' I mean that it will take you, via your choices to a destination. Say, you kill an old lady. This will take you to prison, and say there's a breakout. This is when the Force would 'drop you off', to either admit guilt and help the guards, or sieze your chance to escape, knowing that you murdered in cold blood, but wanting to live free all the same. Or, you could help the old lady across the street instead. This could take you right to the scene of a bank robbery, where the Force would 'drop you off'. You could either help the cops and get people out of there, using your CPR knowledge on a wounded bystander, or you could grab a gun and sieze your share of the loot. That is a VERY watered down version (granted, not very realistic, but my imagination is running wild after reading the storyline of PS:T, so thinking normal is tricky). :ph34r: Edit: And the Force is watching w/ a few friends and a couple of beers. Actually, it's aiding you in whatever choice you make, and then preparing to find another 'tragedy' that needs solved. Then, it will wait for somebody to make a certain set of choices that puts them in a position to do something. If one person is an invalid candidate, then the Force will try to facilitate. There, that can explain the sentience aspect, and still allow for balance (or lack thereof), and the Nature point to continue. 'Night! :ph34r:

Drop you off, as in leave you to make your own choices. I'm not trying to facilitate a discussion. I gotta go to bed soon, and I just remembered that I had a big project that I needed to do before tomorrow. Wait until 10:00 Eastern time... Then I'll have a whole hour for 'discussion'-ing.

I agree up to the predetermined destination. It can only lead you to 'peaks', but then you must chose which mountain range to travel. It can, through your actions, lead you to an important point in time, and drop you off to choose. I suppose that it is just like a guiding hand in that aspect.

Nature has a will: It does what it wants, and you can TRY to stop it, but bad things happen. The Force is just a supernatural description of this. Kreia IMPLIES that it is sentient, but since WHEN was believing what Kreia said healthy? She says what she wants others to hear, and ALWAYS hides the whole truth (or even lies outright). Now, I'll let you continue your discussion of world religions compared to the Force, knowing that only Lucas () can make that claim, and that SW was never meant to compare to any religion in real life. That, and I gotta go 2 sleep...

I don't do online play... I just got the first expansion, and I'm going to play its story once, then I'll continue down the Forgotten Realms game list until I hit PS:T (not FR, but I heard it's good anyway).

YES! I was looking for an uber slave for Shar in my module... Maybe I'll have the Tiefling (who's mutated, I just didn't know why yet... She just looked cooler the way I made her) be a starting Shade... And then, when you serve Shar (after you beat the main story), when you can choose your reward, you can choose Immortality, Gold, or you can become a Demi-God, and have Elustria as your personaly servant (she's a romance option, too, sorta)...

Yes there is. You just can't move there.

Kreia's dead.

Ranma actually got that from some school-kid tradition. I've read about it...

Uno problemo, chica. (Okay, I can't type Spanish very well) Exar Kun, for all intents and purposes, is dead. He doesn't even show himself again until after the movies.

The Force is nature! Even in the OT, Obi-wan refered to its 'will'. Nature has a will. It seeks balance. It will harm those that get in the way of its balance (refer to the rock analogy). The Jedi are basically the Druids of SW, trying to help the Force in its Balance, and doing what they can to be 'one' with it. The Sith are like industrialistic loggers with 300 foot chainsaws. Their actions seriously throw the balance of the Force (ie Nature) out of proportion. If it was just a few little chainsaw people, then there would be a SLIGHT imbalance, but nothing too serious. Progress would still be made. All evidence (even in Kotor II) points to this answer. If there is a fact I missed, I am sure that it will also fit in with no bias added. Kreia hates it for Revan's fall, and she also blames it for the Jedi and the Sith, and since she was 'tortured' by all of them, she hates them. Therefore, she goes back to the ONLY thing that they ALL have in common (as does every OTHER LIVING organism): The Force. Read all of that post before you say anything criticizing it, okay?

What are the 'benefits' of becoming a Shade? Are you like a Shadow or another such creature in NWN? Maybe Shar could have a few elite Shades... hmmm...

People apparently do care more about the ending than most things, because of all the crap Kotor II is getting over a rushed ending... Morrowind was fun, but it was old school 3D. There are better 3D RPG's out there (Kotor I), but Morrowind's expanse was interesting. I like how they're doing the instant transit system in Oblivion, but I hope that it has an ending, and THEN you can continue... Then again, the original did sorta end w/ that whole "But Morrowind still has some rough times ahead" and whatnot. The only major flaw I found was the odd dialogue system... Everybody was like a possessed information terminal, and not a real NPC...

What happened to the forums? Now, everything is cut off by two boards... I can only see 3 Obsidian General forums... Did the mods cut down?

"What's stopping... Kamino from creating a 'super chosen one' How about the fact that anytime a Jedi is cloned, their clone goes insane? Ohma, I think I can understand where you might be coming from. It sounds like what I've said before. People CAN be led around, but ultimately the Force is what all Life MAKES it become.

The Shadow weave is not a "parody" of the weave, nor is the weave "Mystra's magic-web thingy" Mystra is the Guardian/Caretaker of the Weave, not it's source or creator. The Shadow Weave was created at the same time as the Weave was, Shar just Hid it, as she is the goddess of Secrets. It just took her few millenia to take control of it. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It had some pretty "interesting" side effects, too. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I don't believe that I said Mystra created it... I just got confused on Shar and the Shadow Weave. It's Mystra's weave because she watches and 'controls' it. What were the 'interesting' side effects? :ph34r: