Guard Dog Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Oh my God! A President who says things that are not true?! STOP THE PRESSES! From Obama going all the way back to, well, Carter and Ford (maybe), then another long stretch back to Eisenhower & Truman (maybe) our Presidents have looked us in the eye and told us lies, knowing that they were lying. But with Trump, it is conceivable he thinks everything he says is true. It may even be he thinks it becomes true just because he's saying it. The rich are different after all. It the words of George Costanza "It's not a lie if YOU believe it". And somehow that makes it so much worse. I guess I rather have a liar than a fool. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Guard Dog Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Trump & Adam Schiff are sniping at each other over Twitter. I think they should fight by the slides during recess. You know, say what you will about George W Bush (and I was certainly not a fan) at least he was always cognizant of the dignity and role of the office. Didn't like him but Obama reminds me more of dignity of the office. Bush hands down though can take one on the chin and keep going. Trump definitely looks like a whiny lil bitch compared to them 2. Can't really say about Clinton since I was somewhat smart enough to pay attention more to video games and being a teenager than get involve in politics. Totally disagree with you on Obama. Between bowing and groveling to dictators during meetings and opening up his mouth and involving the executive branch in things that do NOT concern it like the George Zimmerman thing and the professor who was arrested for breaking into his own house he compromised the office as badly as anyone. Until Trump came along at least. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
ShadySands Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 It's more the rate at which he says things that are untrue along with his inability to let petty things go. A fool and a liar I'd say. Free games updated 3/4/21
HoonDing Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 what dictators did Obama grovel to The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Gfted1 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 what dictators did Obama grovel to Google "Obama kowtow". "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
HoonDing Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Akihito is a dictator? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Malcador Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Akihito is a dictator? Remember Pearl Harbor Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Gfted1 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Oic, were doing the "he didn't grovel" to a "dictator" dog and pony show. Googling is hard, but if you use the search term I handed you, you will also see him kowtow to some Saudi prince/king/whatever. Are they "dictators"? "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
BruceVC Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 "Modern Day Presidential" This is a good read, Trump has definitely lied and embellished the truth much more than Trump Oh my God! A President who says things that are not true?! STOP THE PRESSES! From Obama going all the way back to, well, Carter and Ford (maybe), then another long stretch back to Eisenhower & Truman (maybe) our Presidents have looked us in the eye and told us lies, knowing that they were lying. But with Trump, it is conceivable he thinks everything he says is true. It may even be he thinks it becomes true just because he's saying it. The rich are different after all. It the words of George Costanza "It's not a lie if YOU believe it". And somehow that makes it so much worse. I guess I rather have a liar than a fool. But GD did you see how many statements Trump made that werent true ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Zoraptor Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Meh, according to the mainstream media "Assad fights ISIS" was a lie when Trump said it. They've lied about Trump's lies extensively and repeatedly. And it's not like Trump doesn't lie enough anyway without them making more up, they just cannot help themselves. Oic, were doing the "he didn't grovel" to a "dictator" dog and pony show. Googling is hard, but if you use the search term I handed you, you will also see him kowtow to some Saudi prince/king/whatever. Are they "dictators"? Trump has definitely kowtowed to the Saudi far more in practical terms than Obama. Bowing is irrelevant except as a nicety, it only means something to people who aren't secure in their power. I'm pretty sure that Obama would have mentioned the large US base in Qatar before giving the Saudis the green light to invade instead of Sexy Rexy having to make a frantic phone call to remind MbS of that fact. If anything Obama was the least Saudi subservient US leader in recent memory. 1
Gfted1 Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 GD: "Obama groveled" HD: "nuh uh" G1: "Yep, right here" HD: "where" G1: "right there" Z: "Trump does it more" ... G1: "eject, eject, eject" "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa"
BruceVC Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) Meh, according to the mainstream media "Assad fights ISIS" was a lie when Trump said it. They've lied about Trump's lies extensively and repeatedly. And it's not like Trump doesn't lie enough anyway without them making more up, they just cannot help themselves. ? " they lied about Trumps lie " When its positioned like that it sounds absurd Edited February 5, 2018 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Guard Dog Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 "Modern Day Presidential" This is a good read, Trump has definitely lied and embellished the truth much more than Trump Oh my God! A President who says things that are not true?! STOP THE PRESSES! From Obama going all the way back to, well, Carter and Ford (maybe), then another long stretch back to Eisenhower & Truman (maybe) our Presidents have looked us in the eye and told us lies, knowing that they were lying. But with Trump, it is conceivable he thinks everything he says is true. It may even be he thinks it becomes true just because he's saying it. The rich are different after all. It the words of George Costanza "It's not a lie if YOU believe it". And somehow that makes it so much worse. I guess I rather have a liar than a fool. But GD did you see how many statements Trump made that werent true ? They are all liars Bruce. Every one of them. Just because some rats are dirtier than others does not mean they are not rats. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell
Malcador Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Oic, were doing the "he didn't grovel" to a "dictator" dog and pony show. Googling is hard, but if you use the search term I handed you, you will also see him kowtow to some Saudi prince/king/whatever. Are they "dictators"? Actually, he probably did Google as about half of the first page of results are in reference to the Japanese Emperor. The rest are to China and one to Castro. Last one is somewhat laughable, you'd think Cuba is so beneath the US there's no need to act hard with them. Oh right, Miami voters. 1 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Bartimaeus Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 (edited) You're not kidding. Almost all of the relevant images are of Obama and the Japanese Emperor. I did see the one image of him and the Saudis, though. Edited February 5, 2018 by Bartimaeus Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance.
Zoraptor Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Z: "Trump does it more" Not really, I'm saying that 'kowtowing' is irrelevant, ie Obama or anyone else (since GWB did it as well with the Saudis) bowing is simply irrelevant and means nothing. Unless you're obsessed with not showing weakness, and- to paraphrase the great philosopher Tywin Lannister- the people obsessed with such things are themselves deeply insecure. Practically and politically Akihito is irrelevant but bowing to him is regarded very positively in Japan. MbS/ Salman is different since they're definitive tyrants in the old meaning, but still Trump could literally have dropped to his knees in front of MbS on live TV and nobody should care- if it has a purpose and if the rest of his policy had been sensible. 2
smjjames Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 Oic, were doing the "he didn't grovel" to a "dictator" dog and pony show. Googling is hard, but if you use the search term I handed you, you will also see him kowtow to some Saudi prince/king/whatever. Are they "dictators"? Actually, he probably did Google as about half of the first page of results are in reference to the Japanese Emperor. The rest are to China and one to Castro. Last one is somewhat laughable, you'd think Cuba is so beneath the US there's no need to act hard with them. Oh right, Miami voters. The one with appearing to bow to the Saudi King was one of the main ones. Plus the whole 'apology tour' meme.
ShadySands Posted February 5, 2018 Posted February 5, 2018 He did get a Nobel Peace Prize just for not being GWB Free games updated 3/4/21
Valsuelm Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 "Modern Day Presidential" Pot calling the kettle black.
injurai Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 "Modern Day Presidential" Pot calling the kettle black. It's preferable to have these things articulated than not and we are all pot's and kettles at the end of the day, so pots and kettles will have to do the calling.
Valsuelm Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 (edited) "Modern Day Presidential" Pot calling the kettle black. It's preferable to have these things articulated than not and we are all pot's and kettles at the end of the day, so pots and kettles will have to do the calling. Speak for yourself. I am neither a pot, nor a kettle. 'I'm a HUMAN BEING, God Damn it! My life has VALUE! Voting isn't the answer huh? Well Val, what do you suggest? Well GD.... you can't solve problems without first realizing who and what you are (see above). And do you really think voting is the answer? Truly? Edited February 6, 2018 by Valsuelm 1
injurai Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Voting is important because without that facility guaranteed, people would be even more disengaged with politics than they already are.
Orogun01 Posted February 6, 2018 Posted February 6, 2018 Voting is important because without that facility guaranteed, people would be even more disengaged with politics than they already are. Not really. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you.
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