Darkpriest Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) So the polish government decided it was a great idea to release the names, addresses, birthplaces, locations and photos of around 800 sex offenders. http://m.dw.com/de/polnische-regierung-stellt-sexualstraftäter-datenbank-ins-netz/a-42001872 The data includes pedophiles and especially severe rapists. Furthermore, any school employing one of these people is threatened with fines or prison. So I guess Poland has entirely departed from anything resembling rule of law or respect for human dignity. There are many things I do not agree with these people, but when it comes to Criminals, especially sex offenders, I am all on board to make sure they are eliminated from the public life and shunned. The last thing I need is to have some creep, that who knows what thinks, be working with people I respect and care about. Sad part is, they are doing nothing regarding street thugs and football hooligans. I wish they were as dedicated on this part, but sadly, these are their voters, so they will not touch them. Edited January 2, 2018 by Darkpriest
smjjames Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 How is that a bad thing? Why would you want schools to employ people with that sort of background? +1 Though the sexual offender list here in the US is kind of 'one punishment fits all', including cases of teenage dumbness.
Darkpriest Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I guess Ben would rather have these kinds of people taking care of children: http://www.spiegel.de/spiegel/berliner-jugendamt-vermittelte-kinder-an-paedophile-a-1185461.html
ShadySands Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I guess it may also depends on the circumstances of their crimes. I don't know how the law works in Poland but here are some odd things that could get you labelled a sex offender in different states of the US. I know I automatically think pedo or rapist and not public urinator or consensual sex between teens. Free games updated 3/4/21
Volourn Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 (edited) That's the thing. the term 'sexual offender' is almost meaningless now because what it implies 9and used to mean) was rapist/pedophile/evil scumbag. But, now it can mean teenagers who had sex, someone sent a **** pick (or boobie pick) to their significant other, someone who pisses in public, etc., etc. It is ridiculous. So, 'sexual offender' means nothing to mean unless I know the actual 'crime' commited. Some guy who pissed in the back alley at 19 after drinking with his buds or soem girl who had the GALL to send a nudie pick should NOT be lumped in with actual rapists. Edited January 2, 2018 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 I think Ben is assuming vigilante justice will happen with their names and addresses being leaked more than he's sad kiddie diddlers can't teach, essentially doxing by the government. I won't lose any sleep over some pedo getting killed, but the government releasing personal information is worrying enough. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
HoonDing Posted January 2, 2018 Posted January 2, 2018 "How is that a bad thing? Why would you want schools to employ people with that sort of background?" old poachers become the best gamekeepers 1 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI.
Volourn Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 "I think Ben is assuming vigilante justice will happen with their names and addresses being leaked more than he's sad kiddie diddlers can't teach, essentially doxing by the government. I won't lose any sleep over some pedo getting killed, but the government releasing personal information is worrying enough. " If such a murder happens, the family should sue the gov't. It would serve them right. 1 DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
smjjames Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 "How is that a bad thing? Why would you want schools to employ people with that sort of background?" old poachers become the best gamekeepers I get the idea behind what you're saying, as in 'it takes a thief to know a thief' or in a modern twist, 'it takes a hacker to know a hacker'. But how do you make sure people in that kind of environment don't re-offend? And I'm not talking about those who simply did a dumb thing that one time.
Malcador Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) How is that a bad thing? Why would you want schools to employ people with that sort of background?You didn't think that maybe he's worried that it will lead to vigilantism ? Or could just not be cool with such information being given out freely, that sword cuts many ways. As an aside, what the heck is with the Confederate Flag being used in a signature here ? Edited January 3, 2018 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Volourn Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Get over the flag. Don't get TRIGGERED fellow Kanadian. The flag can't hurt you. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250.
smjjames Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) Sharp_one isn't actively trying to hurt anyone with it. It's not bothering me and I know he's not the type of raging (American*) nationalist that the flag is usually associated with. Besides, he's Polish, so, I'd give him the benefit of the doubt about knowing the full story behind it, unless he has researched it. *He's a raging Polish nationalist, there's a difference. And I say that with a bit of good natured humor. It's up to the mods and Obsidian whether they're okay with it. Edited January 3, 2018 by smjjames
Malcador Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Get over the flag. Don't get TRIGGERED fellow Kanadian. The flag can't hurt you.Right. Just puzzling in a funny way, like some Canadian flying it. Granted some of those meshbacks are actually serious about identifying with "Southern culture". Makes no sense, but Canadians are a pretty stupid people, so... Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Hurlshort Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Just sharpie trying to be sharp. The US has been doing this for awhile: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megan%27s_Law
Lexx Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) 'Murica is way too stupidly harsh with this kind of stuff. If you can land on a public shame list with the worst of them all just because you made some nekked pic in your teenage years, or peed in public, which then might ruin your entire life, it's just a tad too much (except if you're rich and have influence, then suddenly your name won't appear on the list at all). But then again, it kinda fits their "everyone belongs to prison"-kind of way of life. Edited January 3, 2018 by Lexx "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Zoraptor Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Said it in the other thread but Sharpie is just supporting brave freedom loving Novorossiya in their struggle against tyranny. Slav solidarity and all that.
Chilloutman Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Sorry but this sounds crazy, are you saying that in Germany you actually let pedophiles work with kids? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Lexx Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 No, but this database can be seen by everyone, even your potential boss in a non-child related job, therefore pretty much making it impossible for you to get any job at all. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Chilloutman Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 (edited) No, but this database can be seen by everyone, even your potential boss in a non-child related job, therefore pretty much making it impossible for you to get any job at all. I was responding to this (it sounds like he thinks that it is the bad part?): The data includes pedophiles and especially severe rapists. Furthermore, any school employing one of these people is threatened with fines or prison. Edited January 3, 2018 by Chilloutman I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 No, but this database can be seen by everyone, even your potential boss in a non-child related job, therefore pretty much making it impossible for you to get any job at all.I was responding to this (it sounds like he thinks that it is the bad part?): The data includes pedophiles and especially severe rapists. Furthermore, any school employing one of these people is threatened with fines or prison. it underlines the severeness of the issue. If you actually publicly threaten someone if they should employ pedophiles, that won’t exactly help the pedophiles to lead a normal life So lets get this stright, you are ok with pedophiles being employed in schools? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Malcador Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Hm, people seem to have the wrong idea about why foreign aid is given. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
Blarghagh Posted January 3, 2018 Author Posted January 3, 2018 I don't disagree with registered sex offenders with diagnoses regarding children shouldn't work in schools and such, even if they've been treated since psychiatric treatment is not an exact science. Some database searchable by school administrators? Sure. I do disagree with the list of sex offenders being made public for every tom, richard and harry with a grudge. If they're registered, they had their state-sanctioned reprecussions and this seems to me the first step to sheer persecution. Next, other mentally ill? Any criminal? Handicapped? Trans? Jews? Blacks? The gays? Dissidents? This looks like the kind of thing the alt-right fears from SJWs. 1
Chilloutman Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 I don't know where you worked but everyone in our company and company i worked before have to go through background checks involving criminal records... I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
Chilloutman Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 jesus, next time protest in Zoo that tigers are in different coop than lamas I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene"
smjjames Posted January 3, 2018 Posted January 3, 2018 Said it in the other thread but Sharpie is just supporting brave freedom loving Novorossiya in their struggle against tyranny. Slav solidarity and all that. It wasn't the Novorossiya flag. Seems he's removed it anyway. Hah! We can’t talk about economics without people telling me big government will lead to a dictatorship. Yet when government effectively declares its own citizens vogelfrei (a term I can’t find a good translation for; means that laws no longer protect a person and anyone can do anything with them), that’s somehow ok? Being a pedophile is not a crime. Raping children is. Similarly, being a murderer is not a crime, murdering is. Etc. Tell me, how do you imagine people who are on these lists ever going to live the life they are entitled to? “We believe these truths to be inalienable”. That the government ignores this is nothing new. But this time you people stand behind it. You people support completely isolating other people from society, which is identical with making them subject to any sort of abuse. How do you people find this justifiable in any way? In your view, can one fall from grace? Loose his humanity? Loose his ability to suffer? Or do you loose your ability to feel empathy? Society will gain close to nothing from this. These people will loose every chance they had to lead a normal life post sentence. The morals here are obvious. So why is this a question. Sooooo, the crime should be punished but not the criminal? How would that work? We put murder in prison but not the murderer? BTW. Isn't "You people" a racists term? No idea where you get the idea that 'you people' is a racist term, he's just trying to refer to the rest of us, though it may be particularily at the US.
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