CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Okay so apparently Eders writer resigned or was resigned. From what i gathered its because on reddit subreddit Gamerghazi identified him as man who wrote those posts http://i.imgur.com/n8Moni6.jpg (there is suspicion that someone on RPG codex snitched on him) Now i normally i wouldnt be one questioning employee resigning over controversy but in current societal atmosphere and Obsidians mishandling of the Limerick Incident it think its reasonable to ask if Similar case happened again. Especially considering this is not stupid Limerick that isnt going to impact the game But Writer Departing due to this incident Whetever Voluntarily or by the way of being Volunteered, Is going to impact the game. And with People such as Chris Avelonne Leaving Obsidian. It makes me think if Obsidian is changing into something more Mainstream, And With Sawyer being The one of the only Senior members at Obsidian it makes me bit wary, Considering in GameDev business you need someone to tell you. No that is bad idea. Look at Molyneaux. I dont want Molyneaux type situation to happen with Sawyer.
IndiraLightfoot Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) I have no idea if or why Eric has resigned, but I do not think Obsidian mishandled that Limerick incident (others blew that far out of proportions - stuff that like that happens all the time in publishing etc.), and Sawyer appears to be a very level-headed guy who doesn't hesitate to emphasize democratic and liberal values if needs be. I don't want any other "societal atmosphere" than that. Nor should anybody else. I know what absolutism can do to societies, and it's not a pretty sight. Edited September 6, 2017 by IndiraLightfoot 5 *** "The words of someone who feels ever more the ent among saplings when playing CRPGs" ***
AndreaColombo Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 If Obsidian had fired Eric F. because reasons, they wouldn't have contracted him to write Edér for Deadfire, I would imagine. 4 "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus
kierun Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 No background given, link to unreadable tiny green text, overboard claims not backed up by anything, appeal to SJW … Are you a troll? 2 Nescire autem quid ante quam natus sis acciderit, id est semper esse puerum. Quid enim est aetas hominis, nisi ea memoria rerum veterum kum superiorum aetate contexitur? Marcus Tillius Cicero
Messier-31 Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 ^ True. Hire, fire, hire, fire tactic makes no sense. Eder being written by Eric probably is safe and sound. I call shenanigans. It would be of small avail to talk of magic in the air...
Sakai Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Gamerghazi trying to ster up controversy, eh? What else is new. If this is indeed Eric, then some of what he said i agree with, some don't, but there's really nothing all that criminal. So, in short, outrage warriors can go to hell. Also, Obsidian handled the limerick pretty much the best way they could, considering the circumstances.
Juodas Varnas Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Ah geez... Is Obsidian going Bioware's route? I might have to rethink my purchase of Pillars 2 then...
Messier-31 Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) Oh, one more thing: Eric became a father recently-ish. I find it hard to believe that one would have so much time to make these walls of text. Edited September 6, 2017 by Messier-31 2 It would be of small avail to talk of magic in the air...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 I think the solution here is to nuke reddit. 13 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Oh, one more thing: Eric became a father recently-ish. I find it hard to believe that one would have so much time to make these walls of text. its around May 2017 might be before he become father.
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 No background given, link to unreadable tiny green text, overboard claims not backed up by anything, appeal to SJW … Are you a troll? Why would i be troll ? critism a concern is not trolling. Hell even if we disagree about what SJW means disagreement doesnt mean trolling.
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 I have no idea if or why Eric has resigned, but I do not think Obsidian mishandled that Limerick incident (others blew that far out of proportions - stuff that like that happens all the time in publishing etc.), and Sawyer appears to be a very level-headed guy who doesn't hesitate to emphasize democratic and liberal values if needs be. I don't want any other "societal atmosphere" than that. Nor should anybody else. I know what absolutism can do to societies, and it's not a pretty sight. As is idiom in my language. What do you mean by the term democratic and liberal values Private Kefalin. Also please note the for many of us emphasizing the values is not necesity in game, we are looking merely for fun, so you come as little bit biased. I hope you understand what i mean, i dont want to come across as insulting.
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Gamerghazi trying to ster up controversy, eh? What else is new. If this is indeed Eric, then some of what he said i agree with, some don't, but there's really nothing all that criminal. So, in short, outrage warriors can go to hell. Also, Obsidian handled the limerick pretty much the best way they could, considering the circumstances. Eh the limerick situation isnt really about removal but about reason for removal. Bunch of pitchforks and fires. In retrospect it might been one of minor influences to read to this. If im right that is. I can be mistaken, But so far it doesnt seem to me that way.
JerekKruger Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Is Eric Fenstermaker still writing Edér in Deadfire? I had heard he'd left Obsidian but had agreed to write Edér (presumably as a contractor). Hopefully that's still the case since Edér was one of the better written characters in Pillars. As for the main topic do we actually know that's why Eric was fired/pushed, or is it just speculation? Without knowing the answer to this question, there's not a lot to say.
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Is Eric Fenstermaker still writing Edér in Deadfire? I had heard he'd left Obsidian but had agreed to write Edér (presumably as a contractor). Hopefully that's still the case since Edér was one of the better written characters in Pillars. As for the main topic do we actually know that's why Eric was fired/pushed, or is it just speculation? Without knowing the answer to this question, there's not a lot to say. His personal info was posted on Gamerghazi, then quickly deleted after he Resigned. i guess they realized this might not look good on them. Hopefully its just Pr move so they can say he is no longer part of Obsidian while he continues to work for them. I really do not want Mccarthism in Gaming, And it doesnt matter from which side it comes imho. 3
Valmy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 (edited) I still cannot believe anybody is upset about some text hardly anybody would ever see one way or the other. Anyway that text that was linked to is tiny and unreadable. Edited September 6, 2017 by Valmy
Valmy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Eh the limerick situation isnt really about removal but about reason for removal. They did not write the limerick. It was not part of the game.
Valmy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Is Eric Fenstermaker still writing Edér in Deadfire? I had heard he'd left Obsidian but had agreed to write Edér (presumably as a contractor). Hopefully that's still the case since Edér was one of the better written characters in Pillars. As for the main topic do we actually know that's why Eric was fired/pushed, or is it just speculation? Without knowing the answer to this question, there's not a lot to say. His personal info was posted on Gamerghazi, then quickly deleted after he Resigned. i guess they realized this might not look good on them. Hopefully its just Pr move so they can say he is no longer part of Obsidian while he continues to work for them. I really do not want Mccarthism in Gaming, And it doesnt matter from which side it comes imho. What does not look good on who?
injurai Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 If he left because he was asked to resign, that would sound like those who had issue with his views (am I right that this is the issue?) at Obsidian won out. But here he is freelancing on Deadfire, and now people are pursuing him to ruffle up what effect? To maliciously undermine his livelihood? This play looks bad. 1
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Is Eric Fenstermaker still writing Edér in Deadfire? I had heard he'd left Obsidian but had agreed to write Edér (presumably as a contractor). Hopefully that's still the case since Edér was one of the better written characters in Pillars. As for the main topic do we actually know that's why Eric was fired/pushed, or is it just speculation? Without knowing the answer to this question, there's not a lot to say. His personal info was posted on Gamerghazi, then quickly deleted after he Resigned. i guess they realized this might not look good on them. Hopefully its just Pr move so they can say he is no longer part of Obsidian while he continues to work for them. I really do not want Mccarthism in Gaming, And it doesnt matter from which side it comes imho. What does not look good on who? Gamerghazi by posting personal details. Doxing is not looked upon very kindly.
Valmy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Yeah why would you ask somebody to resign because you find their views offensive and then hire them back?
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 If he left because he was asked to resign, that would sound like those who had issue with his views (am I right that this is the issue?) at Obsidian won out. But here he is freelancing on Deadfire, and now people are pursuing him to ruffle up what effect? To maliciously undermine his livelihood? This play looks bad. There is possibility that Obsidian is just moving him to freelance to avoid the PR from the Gaming Journos who frankly love to play Heroes without actually doing anything. Essentially Obsidian attempt to have their cake and eat it too. I DONT know if its true Its Possibility throught.
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Eh the limerick situation isnt really about removal but about reason for removal. They did not write the limerick. It was not part of the game. They removed it from game after it was arleady added there because of a pitchforks. Firedorn would prefered to have it remain but he did obsidian favor and allowed them to remove it so they avoid the PR ****storm.
Valmy Posted September 6, 2017 Posted September 6, 2017 Gamerghazi by posting personal details. Doxing is not looked upon very kindly. Ok. But he left Obsidian awhile ago right? When did this doxing occur?
CaesarCzech Posted September 6, 2017 Author Posted September 6, 2017 Is Eric Fenstermaker still writing Edér in Deadfire? I had heard he'd left Obsidian but had agreed to write Edér (presumably as a contractor). Hopefully that's still the case since Edér was one of the better written characters in Pillars. As for the main topic do we actually know that's why Eric was fired/pushed, or is it just speculation? Without knowing the answer to this question, there's not a lot to say. we dont know 100% but we know Writer Resigned and its Most Propably the Eder one. Dont quote me on that throught. Gamerghazi took down their post before i could check everything.
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