Politics Episode 7: Remake of Episode 4

[Malcador]

Plenty of genius on display there. One stairwell, no central alarm system, no sprinklers, no fire suppression system, instructions to stay inside in case of fire, no fire drills plus the candlewick insulation on the outside. And apparently that situation is pretty common too.

Instructions are to stay inside here as well and shelter in place, block door off, etc. - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/high-rise-fire-1.3966746

 

Granted I suppose that reasoning presumes the previous four items are not an issue and the building is well made (though with the condos they build these days I am unsure ). Hopefully some heads end up rolling

Edited June 15, 2017 by Malcador

[Hurlshort]

Huh....

 

Does anyone here know to what I refer?

Nope, we are all too daft here to understand. I thought you knew that already?

[Zoraptor]

 

Plenty of genius on display there. One stairwell, no central alarm system, no sprinklers, no fire suppression system, instructions to stay inside in case of fire, no fire drills plus the candlewick insulation on the outside. And apparently that situation is pretty common too.

Instructions are to stay inside here as well and shelter in place, block door off, etc. - http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/high-rise-fire-1.3966746

 

Granted I suppose that reasoning presumes the previous four items are not an issue and the building is well made (though with the condos they build these days I am unsure ). Hopefully some heads end up rolling

 

 

Stay still makes sense with sensible building practices, certainly, and especially if there are suppression measures in place. Though the only large buildings I've ever spent time in all used evacuation plans they were relatively small compared to that apartment building and had other reasons to evacuate (chemicals etc).

 

OTOH there's a lot of evidence that people knew the building was a fire trap before this happened and in that case getting people out ought to be priority one. If you know the building has no sprinklers etc then the risks of evacuation (panic, smoke etc) are less than the risks of being trapped.

[Malcador]

Ah, it was council housing, heh, that explains a lot.

[BruceVC]

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

 

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you 

[Blarghagh]

Trump under investigation for obstruction of justice. On his birthday, I'm getting the gift it seems.

[Ben No.3]

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

Edited June 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

 

Bennie the NSA  is our friend, they are an invaluable instrument in the war against extremism

 

There decisions need to be accepted in the interests of the greater good,   

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

Bennie the NSA is our friend, they are an invaluable instrument in the war against extremism

 

There decisions need to be accepted in the interests of the greater good,

You did not answer the question. You did also not give valid reasons as too why we should accept the NSA in its current state, aside from "they're good because they told me they were".

[majestic]

 

 

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

 

Bennie the NSA  is our friend, they are an invaluable instrument in the war against extremism

 

There decisions need to be accepted in the interests of the greater good,   

 

 

Here's the ultimate truth of this forum: When Ben agrees with Sharp (and/or Guard Dog) on that your position is wrong... you're dead wrong and should stop immediately.

[Ben No.3]

 

You did not answer the question. You did also not give valid reasons as too why we should accept the NSA in its current state, aside from "they're good because they told me they were".

Bruce is a perfect target for Nigerian prince scam

e: Me stupid Edited June 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

Bennie the NSA is our friend, they are an invaluable instrument in the war against extremism

 

There decisions need to be accepted in the interests of the greater good,

You did not answer the question. You did also not give valid reasons as too why we should accept the NSA in its current state, aside from "they're good because they told me they were".

 

Bennie there are people in this world who have worked for decades in government security departments who you must admit will know more than you about real threats countries face. This is based on accurate and quantifiable intelligence and information gathering using numerous sources and mediums 

 

You need to learn to trust these people, they have  your best interests in mind 

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Even better. Police show up at the crime scene with your DNA and plants it as a physical evidence.

Or your DNA is leaked to the opposing party and they use it to discredit you.

Imagine how fun it would be if it was sold as data to insurance companies, employers etc.

What fun!

Those are all good points but if you're living in a society that corrupt then they don't need your DNA to "get you". Also, the pattern of your DNA existing in a database does not provide anyone with the actual physical DNA.

@ Sharp_one

 

I can understand your concern but dont confuse corruption and incompetence that exists within the police force where you live as a global standard. This wont be used to frame innocent people I can assure you

I side with Sharp. Brucie, it doesn't even have to never illegal or attached to corruption if people buy your data. Remember the NSA spying on you? Remember that law that your browsing history can now be bought and sold? Same thing, Brucie. Would you be comfortable with that? That people can essentially buy who you are?

 

"This won't be used to frame innocents"... how can you possibly ensure that?

Bennie the NSA is our friend, they are an invaluable instrument in the war against extremism

 

There decisions need to be accepted in the interests of the greater good,

You did not answer the question. You did also not give valid reasons as too why we should accept the NSA in its current state, aside from "they're good because they told me they were".

Bennie there are people in this world who have worked for decades in government security departments who you must admit will know more than you about real threats countries face. This is based on accurate and quantifiable intelligence and information gathering using numerous sources and mediums

such as?

 

I don't doubt that there are people who want to help. But tell me, what exactly will stop those who are only acting in self interest? What guarantees you that the incredible power you want to give these people does not get abused? Furthermore, what will stop these vast amounts of information of getting commercialised; open for business as our browser data was just now? What guarantees me that the informations gained will not be used against me because I pissed of the wrong people? These are important questions and you cannot answer one of them in any satisfactory way.

You need to learn to trust these people, they have your best interests in mind

Don't ever trust anyone with power over you. Tell me, Brucie, aside from them telling you that they only have your best interest in mind, how exactly do you know that they actually do? How can you possibly know that you can trust them?

[Ben No.3]

 

Bennie there are people in this world who have worked for decades in government security departments who you must admit will know more than you about real threats countries face. This is based on accurate and quantifiable intelligence and information gathering using numerous sources and mediums

 

You need to learn to trust these people, they have your best interests in mind

What are you talking about? Security departaments have grown in the last couple of years. There are more agents and private contractors hired recentlt then there was all agents in the cold war era.

 

So your argument doesn't pass the smelling test pal.

 

The fact that there are private contractors is reason enough to not trust those people with any more power.

Now we know there is little to no vetting process for them.

I wouldn't trust that Reality Winner on the sole basis of her idiotic name. Yet she has been hired and granted access to vital secrets when a brief look at her twitter and Facebook account shows she is clearly a leftist extremist.

who is she and what did she do?

 

E: looked it up. Is being anti-Trump left extremism now?

 

Nvm tho, let's rather enjoy this alliance

Edited June 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

Bennie there are people in this world who have worked for decades in government security departments who you must admit will know more than you about real threats countries face. This is based on accurate and quantifiable intelligence and information gathering using numerous sources and mediums

 

You need to learn to trust these people, they have your best interests in mind

What are you talking about? Security departaments have grown in the last couple of years. There are more agents and private contractors hired recentlt then there was all agents in the cold war era.

 

So your argument doesn't pass the smelling test pal.

 

The fact that there are private contractors is reason enough to not trust those people with any more power.

Now we know there is little to no vetting process for them.

I wouldn't trust that Reality Winner on the sole basis of her idiotic name. Yet she has been hired and granted access to vital secrets when a brief look at her twitter and Facebook account shows she is clearly a leftist extremist.

who is she and what did she do?

 

E: looked it up. Is being anti-Trump left extremism now?

 

Nvm tho, let's rather enjoy this alliance

Wanting to burn down the White House and sympathizing with terrorists is extremism.

People say crazy sh*t online. Important is what they actually do, and last time I checked, the White House was standing.

[Gfted1]

Federal judge orders more environmental analysis of Dakota pipeline.

 

 

 

The judge said in a 91-page decision that, while the Army Corps substantially complied with the National Environmental Policy Act, federal permits issued for the pipeline violated the law in some respects, saying in a court order the Corps did not "adequately consider the impacts of an oil spill on fishing rights, hunting rights, or environmental justice."

"To remedy those violations, the Corps will have to reconsider those sections of its environmental analysis upon remand by the Court," the judge said.

The tribe had sued the Army Corps over its approval of the controversial Dakota Access Pipeline in North Dakota, arguing the line could contaminate their water source, the Missouri River.

 

Heres a picture of my shocked face:   

[Ben No.3]

 

People say crazy sh*t online. Important is what they actually do, and last time I checked, the White House was standing.

Come on Ben. We both know that's not true neither morally nor legally.

Would you employ such a person in the White House?

To me at least, "extremism" implies something more grave than internet posts. I think there's an important difference between a radical and an extremist; a radical has ideas or acts in ways that are very different from the norm, an extremist has similarly radical ideas but acts against the norm (for example through terrorism). Edited June 15, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Ben No.3]

 

 

 

People say crazy sh*t online. Important is what they actually do, and last time I checked, the White House was standing.

Come on Ben. We both know that's not true neither morally nor legally.

Would you employ such a person in the White House?

To me at least, "extremism" implies something more grave than internet posts. I think there's an important difference between a radical and an extremist; a radical has ideas or acts in ways that are very different from the norm, an extremist has similarly radical ideas but acts against the norm (for example through terrorism).

Ok. I understand. Going by those definitions you are right.

[Namutree]

 

 

Wow! A steel skyscraper completely engulfed in flames and burning for over 6 hours. It hasn't collapsed!! How could this be?!!?

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4601902/Huge-inferno-West-London-tower-block.html

 

 

It has got to be one of the worst demonstrations of ignorance to still suggest in 2017 that  9/11 is a conspiracy theory committed  by the USA  to itself 

 

Appeals to [current year] are worse.

[Blarghagh]

Not really. That's at most some people's pet peeve because they don't understand it's just a roundabout way of saying 'you're a backwards moron' and the actual year number isn't relevant, which makes it deliciously self-demonstrating.

[Valsuelm]

 

Huh....

 

Does anyone here know to what I refer?

Nope, we are all too daft here to understand. I thought you knew that already?

 

 

Speak for yourself.

 

As a history teacher, you should most definitely know to which I refer, though it doesn't surprise me even remotely that you don't.

 

It would surprise me however if no one here knew. There are a few relatively astute people on this forum.

 

I may start a thread on this, or I might pm a few that I suspect might know. Not sure yet.

[Azdeus]

I would go one further, DNA samples taken at birth of every single person born in the US.

 

You want to copy Sweden now do ya?

 

We've been doing that since the 70's!

 

I've mentioned it before, but still; Started as a DNA database for research, was used by the police to identify the killer of a politician, and now they're looking into actually allowing police to use it, and private insurance firms aswell. Good stuffs.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

I would go one further, DNA samples taken at birth of every single person born in the US.

 

 

You want to copy Sweden now do ya?

 

We've been doing that since the 70's!

 

I've mentioned it before, but still; Started as a DNA database for research, was used by the police to identify the killer of a politician, and now they're looking into actually allowing police to use it, and private insurance firms aswell. Good stuffs.

And you people laughed when I told you we were living in a cyberpunk dystopia.

 

Here's something about lazy truckers not pulling hard enough on their bootstraps

[Volourn]

That article explains why Kalifornians love immigrants - much easier to take advantage and abuse them.  Just more  facts to show how bigoted, racist, and hateful Democrats are.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

Speak for yourself.

 

As a history teacher, you should most definitely know to which I refer, though it doesn't surprise me even remotely that you don't.

 

It would surprise me however if no one here knew. There are a few relatively astute people on this forum.

 

I may start a thread on this, or I might pm a few that I suspect might know. Not sure yet.

 

 

I am sure people will care greatly if you do. Best of luck!