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Fidel Castro Dead at 90


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I'll bet you Miami is going to be lit tomorrow night.

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The guy surely outlived his allies and enemies.

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Does this mean all the cubans in miami will finally go back?

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So now the US re-colonization of Cuba can start once again?

Yes. The elites in Cuba have wanted to transition to a market economy (China style) for a while now, and have been waiting for Fidel to die. Now that he's gone, the US will be helping the Cuban elites make the transition. The only roadblock is that Trump won the election, making what was a done deal a little unclear. Even so, the plan will go forward, and Trump will take credit even though it's Obama who deserves it.

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So now the US re-colonization of Cuba can start once again?

Yes. The elites in Cuba have wanted to transition to a market economy (China style) for a while now, and have been waiting for Fidel to die. Now that he's gone, the US will be helping the Cuban elites make the transition. The only roadblock is that Trump won the election, making what was a done deal a little unclear. Even so, the plan will go forward, and Trump will take credit even though it's Obama who deserves it.

 

What do you mean by a market economy in respects to Cuba?

 

China is primarily an export driven economy but since Davos last year they are trying to restructure there economy to consumer driven, meaning the citizens of China will be the main buyers of goods like many Western countries 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

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So now the US re-colonization of Cuba can start once again?

Yes. The elites in Cuba have wanted to transition to a market economy (China style) for a while now, and have been waiting for Fidel to die. Now that he's gone, the US will be helping the Cuban elites make the transition. The only roadblock is that Trump won the election, making what was a done deal a little unclear. Even so, the plan will go forward, and Trump will take credit even though it's Obama who deserves it.

 

What do you mean by a market economy in respects to Cuba?

 

China is primarily an export driven economy but since Davos last year they are trying to restructure there economy to consumer driven, meaning the citizens of China will be the main buyers of goods like many Western countries 

 

It will be a country who's economy is determined to a major extend by market forces. An economy where someone can go out, "buy" (more like rent, but let's not get too technical) land, an run a private business to sell goods and services to potential customers. Success will be determined by having the right connections to the government so they don't screw you over, and the basics of supply/demand. There will still be government services like healthcare, but to a major extent it will screw off of strictly controlling the lives, culture, and productivity of the average citizen. 

 

This will be done to dramatically increase productivity so the elites have more wealth to leech off of, and the increased prosperity they allowed to happen will give them swelled egos (even though all they're doing is not stopping people from making their own lives better). 

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Yet another old USA enemy dies peacufully of old age.

Yep. Not that it bothers me; I'm not keen on killing national leaders. Not even hostile ones.

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Yet another old USA enemy dies peacufully of old age.

 

The guy surely outlived his allies and enemies.

 

Guys, Castros legacy is a failure.....the Cuban idea of socialism failed because it failed to sustain or grow the economy

 

The last 20 years or so Cuba was funded by certain South American countries like Venezuela under Chavez who were determined to use Cuba as some sort of adversary to the West ....but why would we consider Cuba a real enemy to the USA?

 

Lets not believe some false narrative that Cuba was an economic success story :geek:  

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Yet another old USA enemy dies peacufully of old age.

 

The guy surely outlived his allies and enemies.

 

Guys, Castros legacy is a failure.....the Cuban idea of socialism failed because it failed to sustain or grow the economy

 

 

 

His legacy will be one of success. 

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Yet another old USA enemy dies peacufully of old age.

 

The guy surely outlived his allies and enemies.

 

Guys, Castros legacy is a failure.....the Cuban idea of socialism failed because it failed to sustain or grow the economy

 

 

 

His legacy will be one of success. 

 

Success in what way?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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Success in what way?

 

He will culturally celebrated, and remembered fondly in Cuban history classes. A Cuba that isn't just a puppet state of the US will be what he is most remembered for. His socialist tendencies will be a detail, his desire for a truly independent Cuba is his legacy.

"Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking.

 

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Guys, Castros legacy is a failure.....the Cuban idea of socialism failed because it failed to sustain or grow the economy.

Having sanctions enforced on you by a global superpower tends to have that effect.

 

Not that he was some shining example of socialism; he was in fact very much in the vein of the nationalist revolutionaries of the 19th century - he just draped his 'revolution' in red to cosy up with the Soviets.

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Yet another old USA enemy dies peacufully of old age.

 

The guy surely outlived his allies and enemies.

 

Guys, Castros legacy is a failure.....the Cuban idea of socialism failed because it failed to sustain or grow the economy

 

The last 20 years or so Cuba was funded by certain South American countries like Venezuela under Chavez who were determined to use Cuba as some sort of adversary to the West ....but why would we consider Cuba a real enemy to the USA?

 

Lets not believe some false narrative that Cuba was an economic success story :geek:  

 

 

He made children happy, are you against happy children?

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"I dream things that never were and say why not?"
- George Bernard Shaw

"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."
- Friedrich Nietzsche

 

"The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."

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 @ Baro, Namutree and others

 

Can I ask you guys a serious question because I may be misunderstanding something

 

When you guys talk about Cuba being a success why would you suggest that when the Cold War ended the ideological conflict of Capitalism vs Communism?  The West won .....so surly that would indicate the ultimate failure of the Cuba social experiment ?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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What economy do they have? The population is smaller than that of the state 90 miles North. Maybe their society was good for Cubans?

There economy is weak and as I mentioned it had been subsidized for years by other countries 

 

When you say " good for Cubans  " what do you mean?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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