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The more I hear about her e-mail scandal, the more I'm convinced she's a felon thousands times over. There was another very damaging story just today. And that's not even considering all her other crimes. If she ever gets to the nomination, Trump and Christy will absolutely dismantle her. It only took Trump like a day to do that to Bill.

 

 

Yeah, but to be fair, your sources tend to be terrible.

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The more I hear about her e-mail scandal, the more I'm convinced she's a felon thousands times over. There was another very damaging story just today. And that's not even considering all her other crimes. If she ever gets to the nomination, Trump and Christy will absolutely dismantle her. It only took Trump like a day to do that to Bill.

 

You all realize that you're talking about a Clinton, right? She and her husband are as expert all-around politicians as you'll ever find and the last thing that could happen is her getting swiftboated. They've seen everything come their way.

 

If things get nasty they'll get in the mud and fight it out. You don't think they won't have any ammunition to fire back at someone like Donald Trump? It'll be a lopsided bloodbath.

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Popular uprisings seems to happen everytime a head of state wants to stop trading oil in USD/Euro and starts buying oil. It's like a virus of some sort, it's not good for your health.

 

//edit: Trump is throwing jabs at Rubio without saying a thing:

 

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Nah, the Arab Spring was responsible for the uprising in Libya...no need for illogical conspiracy theories today my friend :)

 

 

NATO acts quite illogical, i agree.

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

И погибе Српски кнез Лазаре,
И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

 

Neither, he is right. Gaddafi was captured hiding in some drain and then killed by his captives a short time later....he got what he deserved. And this was the Libyan rebels....not the West who killed him

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

 

Neither, he is right. Gaddafi was captured hiding in some drain and then killed by his captives a short time later....he got what he deserved. And this was the Libyan rebels....not the West who killed him

 

 

When you arm, finance and offer intelligence, air and electric communication support to people that did the deed can you really say that you weren't involved?  :unsure:

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

 

Neither, he is right. Gaddafi was captured hiding in some drain and then killed by his captives a short time later....he got what he deserved. And this was the Libyan rebels....not the West who killed him

 

 

When you arm, finance and offer intelligence, air and electric communication support to people that did the deed can you really say that you weren't involved?  :unsure:

 

Sure if that was what supported the Arab Spring you would be right....but the West didn't arm, finance or initially support the Arab Spring. It was an ideological movement  created and spread by Muslims who wanted a more equitable  society in many countries in the North Africa and the ME who were tired of being ruled by families or dictators for decades 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

 

Neither, he is right. Gaddafi was captured hiding in some drain and then killed by his captives a short time later....he got what he deserved. And this was the Libyan rebels....not the West who killed him

 

 

When you arm, finance and offer intelligence, air and electric communication support to people that did the deed can you really say that you weren't involved?  :unsure:

 

Sure if that was what supported the Arab Spring you would be right....but the West didn't arm, finance or initially support the Arab Spring. It was an ideological movement  created and spread by Muslims who wanted a more equitable  society in many countries in the North Africa and the ME who were tired of being ruled by families or dictators for decades 

 

 

But Libya's rebels were armed and supported by west in their effort to depose Gaddafi. Even if rebellion itself was not started by west, said rebellion would have most likely failed without help from west. So it is quite dubious to say that west didn't play part in Gaddafi's death. 

 

Let take hypothetical and badly fitting metaphor to give an example that resembles situation distantly. Person has been beaten and otherwise subjugated by thier spouse and then they plan to get revenge against said spouse and ask help from their neighbor who then provides them a gun, and then goes and strikes said spouse unconscious and then leaves said person with a gun to sort things out with their unconscious spouse, who then shoot their spouse. Would you say that neighbor in question is innocent and didn't partake in said murder anyway, because said person was already planning to murder their spouse?

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And yet there was a popular uprising that ultimately led to him being literally beaten to death.

 

Deliberately obtuse or just uninformed?

 

Neither, he is right. Gaddafi was captured hiding in some drain and then killed by his captives a short time later....he got what he deserved. And this was the Libyan rebels....not the West who killed him

 

 

When you arm, finance and offer intelligence, air and electric communication support to people that did the deed can you really say that you weren't involved?  :unsure:

 

Sure if that was what supported the Arab Spring you would be right....but the West didn't arm, finance or initially support the Arab Spring. It was an ideological movement  created and spread by Muslims who wanted a more equitable  society in many countries in the North Africa and the ME who were tired of being ruled by families or dictators for decades 

 

 

But Libya's rebels were armed and supported by west in their effort to depose Gaddafi. Even if rebellion itself was not started by west, said rebellion would have most likely failed without help from west. So it is quite dubious to say that west didn't play part in Gaddafi's death. 

 

Let take hypothetical and badly fitting metaphor to give an example that resembles situation distantly. Person has been beaten and otherwise subjugated by thier spouse and then they plan to get revenge against said spouse and ask help from their neighbor who then provides them a gun, and then goes and strikes said spouse unconscious and then leaves said person with a gun to sort things out with their unconscious spouse, who then shoot their spouse. Would you say that neighbor in question is innocent and didn't partake in said murder anyway, because said person was already planning to murder their spouse?

 

I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

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"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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He's going to win. Dammit he should not win but he's going to: http://freebeacon.com/blog/7-reasons-democrats-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump/

 

 

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

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He's going to win. Dammit he should not win but he's going to: http://freebeacon.com/blog/7-reasons-democrats-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump/

 

 

Well, you all know what I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowVkIzBixci

I cant see that happening, almost every single one of Trumps policies is based on something that has to change and be implemented and is considered radical ...the wall, the deportation of 11 million people, the breaking down of the Iran deal, the end of Obamacare etc. 

 

Once the actual debates begin between the 2 final presidential candidates it will be easy for the Democrats to start undermining Trumps views

 

Hilary I feel has a real advantage as her policies are basically extensions to Obama's legacy and are much more realistic 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

For starters

 

Yes but as I mentioned the Libyan rebels were already fighting Gaddafi before the USA sent this assistance, in other words the civil war didn't need the West to sent military equipment for the rebels to fight Gaddafi

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

For starters

 

Yes but as I mentioned the Libyan rebels were already fighting Gaddafi before the USA sent this assistance, in other words the civil war didn't need the West to sent military equipment for the rebels to fight Gaddafi

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-rebels-weapons-idUSTRE73B5C220110412

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363780/Libya-US-ask-Saudi-Arabia-supply-weapons-rebels-bid-oust-Gaddafi.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8606541/France-supplying-weapons-to-Libyan-rebels.html

 

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Libya-rebels-ask-for-extra-arms-20110721

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13966976

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/libya-rebels-will-receive-25-million-from-us/?page=all

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2011/04/a_libya_hypothesis_the_rebels.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/libyan-rebels-cant-win-fox-admits-so-we-need-a-traitor-in-gaddafis-circle-2329677.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110330

 

Libyan rebels may already been fighting against Gaddafi, but their change to win Libyan military was estimated to be non-existent without help from west.

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He's going to win. Dammit he should not win but he's going to: http://freebeacon.com/blog/7-reasons-democrats-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump/

 

 

Well, you all know what I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowVkIzBixc

 

Don't worry. I am sure that bombing Texas is quite low on the God-Emperor's list.

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

For starters

 

Yes but as I mentioned the Libyan rebels were already fighting Gaddafi before the USA sent this assistance, in other words the civil war didn't need the West to sent military equipment for the rebels to fight Gaddafi

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-rebels-weapons-idUSTRE73B5C220110412

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363780/Libya-US-ask-Saudi-Arabia-supply-weapons-rebels-bid-oust-Gaddafi.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8606541/France-supplying-weapons-to-Libyan-rebels.html

 

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Libya-rebels-ask-for-extra-arms-20110721

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13966976

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/libya-rebels-will-receive-25-million-from-us/?page=all

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2011/04/a_libya_hypothesis_the_rebels.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/libyan-rebels-cant-win-fox-admits-so-we-need-a-traitor-in-gaddafis-circle-2329677.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110330

 

Libyan rebels may already been fighting against Gaddafi, but their change to win Libyan military was estimated to be non-existent without help from west.

 

Yes but my point being they would have killed Gaddafi even if the West hasn't helped him

 

You believe the West has to take responsibility because they helped the rebels but I'm saying countries and people need to accept there own actions ....Gaddafi was killed by the rebels. I still fail to see how the West is responsible 

"Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss”

John Milton 

"We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” -  George Bernard Shaw

"What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela

 

 

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

For starters

 

Yes but as I mentioned the Libyan rebels were already fighting Gaddafi before the USA sent this assistance, in other words the civil war didn't need the West to sent military equipment for the rebels to fight Gaddafi

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-rebels-weapons-idUSTRE73B5C220110412

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363780/Libya-US-ask-Saudi-Arabia-supply-weapons-rebels-bid-oust-Gaddafi.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8606541/France-supplying-weapons-to-Libyan-rebels.html

 

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Libya-rebels-ask-for-extra-arms-20110721

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13966976

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/libya-rebels-will-receive-25-million-from-us/?page=all

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2011/04/a_libya_hypothesis_the_rebels.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/libyan-rebels-cant-win-fox-admits-so-we-need-a-traitor-in-gaddafis-circle-2329677.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110330

 

Libyan rebels may already been fighting against Gaddafi, but their change to win Libyan military was estimated to be non-existent without help from west.

 

Yes but my point being they would have killed Gaddafi even if the West hasn't helped him

 

You believe the West has to take responsibility because they helped the rebels but I'm saying countries and people need to accept there own actions ....Gaddafi was killed by the rebels. I still fail to see how the West is responsible 

 

 

My point was that rebels wouldn't have been able to kill Gaddafi without help from west and people in west need admit consequences of their actions too (they supported, even demanded deposing Gaddafi and his supporters, they give arms to rebels that had ties to Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups, they used their superior military strength to destroy Libya's national army, important infrastructure, legal institutions that kept peace in the land, without these actions current situation in Libya would be different and Gaddafi probably would still be alive)

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So you read that article and you got the impression she is a felon a thousand times over?   blink.png

 

 

"However, the agency reports found some emails included passages that closely tracked or mirrored communications marked “top secret,” according to the sources, who all requested anonymity. In some cases, additional classification markings meant access was supposed to be limited to small groups of specially cleared officials.

 

Under the law and government rules, U.S. officials and contractors may not transmit any classified information – not only documents – outside secure, government-controlled channels. Such information should not be sent even through the government’s .gov email network."

 

At least 22 emails had info from documents marked "top secret" or above. Over a thousand emails with some level of classification sent over the public internet. Each instance of mishandling classified info is a felony.

 

 

 

He's going to win. Dammit he should not win but he's going to: http://freebeacon.com/blog/7-reasons-democrats-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump/

 

 

Well, you all know what I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowVkIzBixc

 

Don't worry. I am sure that bombing Texas is quite low on the God-Emperor's list.

 

I think GD lives in Tennessee. Definitely not in Texas.

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I agree that in your example about the neighbor it  would mean the neighbor has to take a degree of responsibility 

 

But I don't think that happened in Libya, the people of Libya consist of tribes and they have always been armed and had  access to weapons. If you can find a link that suggests the West armed the Libyan rebels in the beginning that would be interesting but the West only provided air power. At the end the Libyan rebels fought hand to hand battles with the remaining military forces in Tripoli who were loyal to Gaddafi....they found Gaddafi and then executed him but there were no Western ground troops and the West couldn't exactly dictate to the Libyan rebels. So I don't see how the West can  be blamed for  a decision another military group made?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2011/mar/29/arms-libya-rebels

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/05/28/emails-show-clintons-interest-in-arming-libyan-rebels-despite-prohibitions.html

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/feb/1/hillary-clinton-libya-war-push-armed-benghazi-rebe/?page=all

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/06/world/africa/weapons-sent-to-libyan-rebels-with-us-approval-fell-into-islamist-hands.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-usa-order-idUSTRE72T6H220110331

 

For starters

 

Yes but as I mentioned the Libyan rebels were already fighting Gaddafi before the USA sent this assistance, in other words the civil war didn't need the West to sent military equipment for the rebels to fight Gaddafi

 

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-rebels-weapons-idUSTRE73B5C220110412

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1363780/Libya-US-ask-Saudi-Arabia-supply-weapons-rebels-bid-oust-Gaddafi.html

 

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8606541/France-supplying-weapons-to-Libyan-rebels.html

 

http://www.news24.com/Africa/News/Libya-rebels-ask-for-extra-arms-20110721

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-13966976

 

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2011/apr/19/libya-rebels-will-receive-25-million-from-us/?page=all

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/worldtonight/2011/04/a_libya_hypothesis_the_rebels.html

 

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/libyan-rebels-cant-win-fox-admits-so-we-need-a-traitor-in-gaddafis-circle-2329677.html

 

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-libya-idUSTRE7270JP20110330

 

Libyan rebels may already been fighting against Gaddafi, but their change to win Libyan military was estimated to be non-existent without help from west.

 

Yes but my point being they would have killed Gaddafi even if the West hasn't helped him

 

You believe the West has to take responsibility because they helped the rebels but I'm saying countries and people need to accept there own actions ....Gaddafi was killed by the rebels. I still fail to see how the West is responsible 

 

 

My point was that rebels wouldn't have been able to kill Gaddafi without help from west and people in west need admit consequences of their actions too (they supported, even demanded deposing Gaddafi and his supporters, they give arms to rebels that had ties to Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups, they used their superior military strength to destroy Libya's national army, important infrastructure, legal institutions that kept peace in the land, without these actions current situation in Libya would be different and Gaddafi probably would still be alive)

 

But the only way you could reasonably blame the West for wanting to depose Gaddafi is if you believe the Arab Spring was a creation of the West....do you believe that? 

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He's going to win. Dammit he should not win but he's going to: http://freebeacon.com/blog/7-reasons-democrats-should-be-terrified-of-donald-trump/

 

 

Well, you all know what I think: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HowVkIzBixc

He plays well to the disenfranchised party base. He hits all their buzzwords and topics and seems like he'd be WoD's personal favorite for "never ever EVER give anything away!". It's no surprise that he's winning the party where voter base considers getting 99% of what they want an utter failure. The thing is he'll either wind up against Hillary who's moderate enough she could probably catch several of the voters who feel Trump is to insane to vote for, while also getting the consistent democratic majority (in recent years/last decade) of the youth vote in a situation where many would turn up simply NOT to see Trump attain presidency. Or he'd be up against Bernie, who's activated the disenfranchised liberal base and would probably be able to get the entire party behind him because (as of right now) the democrats are significantly better organized than their opponents.

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Kevin Butler will awesome your face off.

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"However, the agency reports found some emails included passages that closely tracked or mirrored communications marked “top secret,” according to the sources, who all requested anonymity. In some cases, additional classification markings meant access was supposed to be limited to small groups of specially cleared officials.

 

Under the law and government rules, U.S. officials and contractors may not transmit any classified information – not only documents – outside secure, government-controlled channels. Such information should not be sent even through the government’s .gov email network."

 

At least 22 emails had info from documents marked "top secret" or above. Over a thousand emails with some level of classification sent over the public internet. Each instance of mishandling classified info is a felony.

 

 

WOD that article mentions the general rulings are  confidential and so is the final reports

 

Why would you have an opinion on something where there is no substantive evidence?

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