US Elections 2016

[WDeranged]

I find it quite distasteful when someone is banned from travelling to the UK because of their beliefs, Trump is a boorish loon but I can't support the idea.

[Gfted1]

I have a mental image of Yakety Sax playing at the end of every parlimentary discussion and they chase around a mockup of Donald "The Meanie" Trump.

 

Aside, today in 1924, the late great Benny Hill was born.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

The Labour leader said it would be better to engage with Trump, who has made inflammatory comments about Mexicans, gay people, women, Muslims and other groups, than exclude him from the country.

 

Corbyn you sly devil.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Looks like the Bern will stump the trump.

Clinton will win, obnoxious liberals will praise this as a victory for progressivism, the right will be emboldened to support even stupider and more destructive economic policies, and the moderate to far left will continue to be completely irrelevant all the while being blamed for everything.

More than likely, but I'm still holding out for Sanders v. Trump with Sanders grabbing the popular vote but Trump winning due to electoral tomfoolery.

[Chilloutman]

As non-american I must say that Bernie is joke. Trump too, but at least he is funny

[Meshugger]

 

Banning Trump from the UK would certainly show him that he is wrong on immigration.

 

By targeting singular person that has accused to done something that should prevent him to come in UK instead of putting in general ban for all Americans for example?

 

EDIT: Is this you saying that you don't support any form of bans for any people when it comes to matters of immigration? Or are you just saying that it is choice between no bans or banning whole groups of people?

 

 

I was trying to use sarcasm to point out the irony of the situation.

 

In other news: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2016-01-21/trump-fear-stalks-davos-as-elite-pray-for-spring-reality-check

 

The World economic forum in Davos seems to fear Trump. Oh, those poor global elites.

[Gfted1]

Speaking of economics, and having too much free time on my hands today, I decided to do a little napkin math:

 

So there are 650 MP's in the House of Commons

Each makes approximately £86,000 / year

650 x 86000 = £55,900,000 / year

£55,900,000 / 365 days per year = £153,150 / day

 

So it costs the good citizens of the UK £153000 per day for their elected officials to hurl petty schoolyard insults. That could buy a lot of upper lip stiffener! I hope the reach the conclusion that he is a Poopyhead and Boogereater before they spend too much.

[Meshugger]

 

Notice which two major candidates who are not on the list. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Mayor Carcetti and Jim Webb?

[Guard Dog]

Those Wall Street donors would have gotten a better return on the money they gave Bush if they had just lit it on fire. 

[Meshugger]

A good article, a great article. http://theweek.com/articles/599577/how-obscure-adviser-pat-buchanan-predicted-wild-trump-campaign-1996

 

 

 

Sooner or later, as the globalist elites seek to drag the country into conflicts and global commitments, preside over the economic pastoralization of the United States, manage the delegitimization of our own culture, and the dispossession of our people, and disregard or diminish our national interests and national sovereignty, a nationalist reaction is almost inevitable and will probably assume populist form when it arrives. The sooner it comes, the better…

[BruceVC]

 

A good article, a great article. http://theweek.com/articles/599577/how-obscure-adviser-pat-buchanan-predicted-wild-trump-campaign-1996

 

 

 

Sooner or later, as the globalist elites seek to drag the country into conflicts and global commitments, preside over the economic pastoralization of the United States, manage the delegitimization of our own culture, and the dispossession of our people, and disregard or diminish our national interests and national sovereignty, a nationalist reaction is almost inevitable and will probably assume populist form when it arrives. The sooner it comes, the better…

 

Is the point of this article supporting Trump or is it against him?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

It's remarking on the success Trump has had running with nationalist rhetoric with some riffs lifted from leftist economic rhetoric and how an advisor to Pat Buchanan recommend doing so about twenty years ago. You can say something similar about Sanders, given his focus on better conditions for workers and it shows with him polling better among folk the Democrats normally don't get.

[BruceVC]

It's remarking on the success Trump has had running with nationalist rhetoric with some riffs lifted from leftist economic rhetoric and how an advisor to Pat Buchanan recommend doing so about twenty years ago. You can say something similar about Sanders, given his focus on better conditions for workers and it shows with him polling better among folk the Democrats normally don't get.

Thanks for clarifying KP....sometimes I don't get some of the political commentary or views I read 

[Oerwinde]

I'm curious if Bernie is getting any sort of boost from refusing to engage in negative politics. Thats believed to be what drove Trudeau to victory in Canada. Rather than launch his own attack campaign he took all the Conservative attacks, and turned them around into positive things, and people responded to it.

[ShadySands]

I'm curious if Bernie is getting any sort of boost from refusing to engage in negative politics. Thats believed to be what drove Trudeau to victory in Canada. Rather than launch his own attack campaign he took all the Conservative attacks, and turned them around into positive things, and people responded to it.

 

It's interesting because I was talking with a few friends about this earlier and most of them, who are also of the same mindset as I am, like that he doesn't go negative and more or less keeps it above board but there were a few others who thought he was weak or not serious because he doesn't go on the attack. Granted those friends don't support him at all and generally vote for the other major party. Those who thought it was a positive didn't think that it was enough to seriously sway their votes but those who thought it was a negative thought of it as a serious flaw. I can't say if it follows a larger pattern or not but among the ~8 of us that's how it shook out

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I think it's a strategy to paint himself as an outsider who wants to help the working class while establishment politicians are more interested in political theatre. He's drawing a lot of people so clearly something that he's doing works.

[BruceVC]

 

I'm curious if Bernie is getting any sort of boost from refusing to engage in negative politics. Thats believed to be what drove Trudeau to victory in Canada. Rather than launch his own attack campaign he took all the Conservative attacks, and turned them around into positive things, and people responded to it.

 

It's interesting because I was talking with a few friends about this earlier and most of them, who are also of the same mindset as I am, like that he doesn't go negative and more or less keeps it above board but there were a few others who thought he was weak or not serious because he doesn't go on the attack. Granted those friends don't support him at all and generally vote for the other major party. Those who thought it was a positive didn't think that it was enough to seriously sway their votes but those who thought it was a negative thought of it as a serious flaw. I can't say if it follows a larger pattern or not but among the ~8 of us that's how it shook out

 

 

 

I think it's a strategy to paint himself as an outsider who wants to help the working class while establishment politicians are more interested in political theatre. He's drawing a lot of people so clearly something that he's doing works.

I have to admit I am very concerned with Sanders popularity...he does threaten a Clinton presidency 

[Guard Dog]

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

[Chilloutman]

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

She is like american Merkel xD

[Volourn]

"I'm curious if Bernie is getting any sort of boost from refusing to engage in negative politics. Thats believed to be what drove Trudeau to victory in Canada. Rather than launch his own attack campaign he took all the Conservative attacks, and turned them around into positive things, and people responded to it."

 

Kiddin' right? Trudeau and his lackies were all about fearmongering. LMAO

[BruceVC]

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

 

Its not  so much Clinton I like but she wants to continue the fundamental policies of Obama which are about ensuring a more equitable society and a stronger more significant middle class. Also she isn't planning anything radical that may impact the USA economy, like Sanders and his dislike of big business and the financial sector

 

And that doesn't mean she plans to target people like you ....your commitment  to the overall economy and people like you are the foundation of what the USA is built on and despite right wing rhetoric this will never change  

 

Bruce I just can NOT fathom this infatuation you have with Hillary Clinton. A more toxic and unlikeable human being I simply could not imagine. If there was a single other viable candidate running for the Democratic bid (and there is a good reason why there isn't) she would be in distant second right now.

She is like american Merkel xD

 

No

 

I respect Merkel more 

[Volourn]

Hilary Clinton is evil. If you cna't see that you are delusional.

[BruceVC]

Hilary Clinton is evil. If you cna't see that you are delusional.

Evil is a man made construct., I dont believe is such things

[Wrath of Dagon]

A good article, a great article. http://theweek.com/articles/599577/how-obscure-adviser-pat-buchanan-predicted-wild-trump-campaign-1996

 

 

 

 

Sooner or later, as the globalist elites seek to drag the country into conflicts and global commitments, preside over the economic pastoralization of the United States, manage the delegitimization of our own culture, and the dispossession of our people, and disregard or diminish our national interests and national sovereignty, a nationalist reaction is almost inevitable and will probably assume populist form when it arrives. The sooner it comes, the better…

 

The article is spot on, all over the West people have finally realized the elites have betrayed them. The conservative movement is now really corporatists, only worrying about the well being of fat cat corporations. Edit: Back when Buchanan ran, the issues were really different. We saw liberals as the big problem, after the disaster that was Jimmy Carter. Reagan got things going overnight, so conservatism was riding high. We didn't see the seeds of destruction that were already there, like the 1986 amnesty (even though Buchanan did). Also Buchanan was kind of scary, always defending old nazis and admiring hitler's foreign policy. Besides the closest equivalent to Trump back then was Ross Perot, who actually did quite well. I think Buchanan actually run later as the candidate of Perot's Reform party, and Trump wanted to run in 2000 in the same party, but there was some kind of issue with Buchanan. So this has been brewing for a while. Edited January 23, 2016 by Wrath of Dagon