PK htiw klaw eriF Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 It's an interview with Slavoj Zizek Bruce, not a report. If you can refute what he says do it, if not then continue on with pointless ad hominems. Coke addicted homeless man makes good points about the crisis He almost sounds like /pol/. What a time to be alive. How so? He sounds quite like another politics board, except without calling everything a spook. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands
BruceVC Posted April 22, 2016 Author Posted April 22, 2016 It's an interview with Slavoj Zizek Bruce, not a report. If you can refute what he says do it, if not then continue on with pointless ad hominems. Excellent ...sorry to seem to nag but I was worried, not sure why you see it as an attack on you? Its RT im criticizing "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
BruceVC Posted April 22, 2016 Author Posted April 22, 2016 It's an interview with Slavoj Zizek Bruce, not a report. If you can refute what he says do it, if not then continue on with pointless ad hominems. Coke addicted homeless man makes good points about the crisis He almost sounds like /pol/. What a time to be alive. How so? He sounds quite like another politics board, except without calling everything a spook. I was about to point out some serious issues with what he says but then I read What about the very rich Arab countries, very much richer than Europe, which are closer to the crisis area, such as Saudi Arabia, Qatar, United Arab Emirates? These are Sunni countries. Most of the refugees are Sunni Muslims.” I have saying the same thing, its a real irritation "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Meshugger Posted April 22, 2016 Posted April 22, 2016 It's an interview with Slavoj Zizek Bruce, not a report. If you can refute what he says do it, if not then continue on with pointless ad hominems. Coke addicted homeless man makes good points about the crisis He almost sounds like /pol/. What a time to be alive. How so? He sounds quite like another politics board, except without calling everything a spook. He's analysis & criticism is the same, just without the spook. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
obyknven Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Best friends of EU planned something. Allahu Akbar! http://youtu.be/mubUlAyGIO8
Meshugger Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Russian state-approved news or not, you're preaching to the choir. No one here likes Turkey or their policies. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
obyknven Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Russian state-approved news or not, you're preaching to the choir. No one here likes Turkey or their policies. If citizens of the West don't like Turkey (and migrants), why Western authorities support them? It's looks like "democracy" in EU/US don't work properly.
Elerond Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 (edited) UK must leave European convention on human rights, says Theresa May "“The ECHR can bind the hands of parliament, adds nothing to our prosperity, makes us less secure by preventing the deportation of dangerous foreign nationals – and does nothing to change the attitudes of governments like Russia’s when it comes to human rights,” she said. “So regardless of the EU referendum, my view is this: If we want to reform human rights laws in this country, it isn’t the EU we should leave but the ECHR and the jurisdiction of its court.”" I find it bit funny that it is UK that has problems with ECHR as ECHR is British designed institution that they drive through after WWII, to prevent countries making policies that she speaks for now. Also it is bit funny that she seems to have forgotten that membership of EU requires membership in ECHR. Edited April 25, 2016 by Elerond
obyknven Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Looks like many people of the West (influental people especially) very like Turkey or their politics IRL. Firstly Obama promise recognize the Armenian genocidehttp://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/obameter/promise/511/recognize-armenian-genocide/ "Two years ago, I criticized the Secretary of State for the firing of U.S. Ambassador to Armenia, John Evans, after he properly used the term 'genocide' to describe Turkey's slaughter of thousands of Armenians starting in 1915. … as President I will recognize the Armenian Genocide." But this promise has been deleted from Obama's citehttps://www.barackobama.com/2008/01/19/barack_obama_on_the_importance.php/ And WallStreet journal Runs Ad Denying Genocide That Killed Over 650,000 People.http://thinkprogress.org/world/2016/04/21/3771670/genocide-armenia-turkey/
Meshugger Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Russian state-approved news or not, you're preaching to the choir. No one here likes Turkey or their policies. If citizens of the West don't like Turkey (and migrants), why Western authorities support them? It's looks like "democracy" in EU/US don't work properly. Because those not represented by the people have other ideas and of course those represented don't always act out according to the wishes either. UK must leave European convention on human rights, says Theresa May "“The ECHR can bind the hands of parliament, adds nothing to our prosperity, makes us less secure by preventing the deportation of dangerous foreign nationals – and does nothing to change the attitudes of governments like Russia’s when it comes to human rights,” she said. “So regardless of the EU referendum, my view is this: If we want to reform human rights laws in this country, it isn’t the EU we should leave but the ECHR and the jurisdiction of its court.”" I find it bit funny that it is UK that has problems with ECHR as ECHR is British designed institution that they drive through after WWII, to prevent countries making policies that she speaks for now. Also it is bit funny that she seems to have forgotten that membership of EU requires membership in ECHR. In the world of politics, anything can be negotiated. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Zoraptor Posted April 25, 2016 Posted April 25, 2016 Merkel has to love Turkey, because Erdy has her by the balls over the refugee crisis- indeed, her recent visit was basically continuous low grade ritual humiliation. Any of the EU countries that pays more than lip service to things like open borders and continuous integration has to love Erdy, at present, no option. Obama has to love Turkey because they're in NATO, and in perhaps the single most strategically important position in NATO with its second largest army. Plus, he's been elected so promises to rich Armenian donors don't mean jack any more. Having said that, most people don't hate Turkey, they hate Erdogan and the AKP.
Meshugger Posted April 26, 2016 Posted April 26, 2016 ^The bitter truth is slowly seeping in. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
Darkpriest Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 well, there are some valid points, but i do think that it is too much religion based, than tradition based point of view. Tradition =/= religon
Meshugger Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 well, there are some valid points, but i do think that it is too much religion based, than tradition based point of view. Tradition =/= religon True, but they tend to overlap quite a lot, which can lead to people getting to the same conclusions despite starting from different assumptions. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted April 27, 2016 Author Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Guys I am constantly surprised by this anti-Turkey rhetoric, the West considers Turkey of important strategic value and it is So when I have heard these "doom and gloom " assessments about how NATO views Turkey they are generally wrong. For example When the Russian jet was shot down by Turkey this was " definitely the end of the Turkey contribution towards anti-ISIS coalition " " Turkey is funding ISIS..why is the West so stoooopid " , also an exaggeration around how much support Turkey actually gives ISIS Everything the EU and NATO has done for Turkey is because Turkey is an important player in the region..this is an irrefutable fact. For example The new refugee swap program when migrants are sent back to Turkey The fact Turkey is one of the major places refugees can get into the EU ...so whether the EU funds Turkey or supports them politically its in the best interest of the EU to ensure that Turkey stays a friend to the West so that Turkey can address some of the hard and morally questionable work required to keep as many immigrants out of the EU as humanly possible Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Edited April 28, 2016 by BruceVC "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Darkpriest Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 https://www.yahoo.com/news/austria-considers-rejecting-most-migrants-amid-far-surge-003357542.html
majestic Posted April 27, 2016 Posted April 27, 2016 (edited) Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Yes Bruce, we get it. Turkey is a NATO member so the Muslim-Putin can do as he pleases while we sort of have to oppose the real Putin because it is tradition. Not to mention that we wouldn't need to let ourselves be blackmailed by Turkey if Germany hadn't messed up Greece so much that they just can't control their borders at all, and not for a lack of wanting. So anyway once the deal with Turkey is fully underway we'll just have a massive influx of legal Turkish unskilled immigrants instead of a massive influx of unskilled refugees from Syria and Afghanistan (and those at least could be legally deported once they are denied asylum). Sounds about right. Surely that is much better than the current situation. Edited April 27, 2016 by majestic No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
BruceVC Posted April 28, 2016 Author Posted April 28, 2016 Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Yes Bruce, we get it. Turkey is a NATO member so the Muslim-Putin can do as he pleases while we sort of have to oppose the real Putin because it is tradition. Not to mention that we wouldn't need to let ourselves be blackmailed by Turkey if Germany hadn't messed up Greece so much that they just can't control their borders at all, and not for a lack of wanting. So anyway once the deal with Turkey is fully underway we'll just have a massive influx of legal Turkish unskilled immigrants instead of a massive influx of unskilled refugees from Syria and Afghanistan (and those at least could be legally deported once they are denied asylum). Sounds about right. Surely that is much better than the current situation. Okay well thats one way of looking at this, in a very negative way But surly " unskilled Turkish immigrants " is something the EU is use to...isn't that better than immigrants coming from countries like Iraq, Syria, Sudan etc. The EU is use to Turkish immigrants? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Meshugger Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Yes Bruce, we get it. Turkey is a NATO member so the Muslim-Putin can do as he pleases while we sort of have to oppose the real Putin because it is tradition. Not to mention that we wouldn't need to let ourselves be blackmailed by Turkey if Germany hadn't messed up Greece so much that they just can't control their borders at all, and not for a lack of wanting. So anyway once the deal with Turkey is fully underway we'll just have a massive influx of legal Turkish unskilled immigrants instead of a massive influx of unskilled refugees from Syria and Afghanistan (and those at least could be legally deported once they are denied asylum). Sounds about right. Surely that is much better than the current situation. Okay well thats one way of looking at this, in a very negative way But surly " unskilled Turkish immigrants " is something the EU is use to...isn't that better than immigrants coming from countries like Iraq, Syria, Sudan etc. The EU is use to Turkish immigrants? He meant that the the same "refugees" that will be shipped off to Turkey will come back with Turkish passports instead. Only Germany has any significant Turkish minority, who arrived with the Gastarbeiterprogramm in the 60's and 70's, but stayed instead of the planned departure. They are now effectively living in a parallel society in Germany and are more interested in the latest news from Ankara than Berlin. If anything, they are the prime example of how a society becomes more fractured due to an alien culture refusing to be assimilated. We are now talking about a third generation of turks living in a country the care little about. In other countries a few turks may have a kebab-stand here and there. 1 "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
BruceVC Posted April 28, 2016 Author Posted April 28, 2016 Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Yes Bruce, we get it. Turkey is a NATO member so the Muslim-Putin can do as he pleases while we sort of have to oppose the real Putin because it is tradition. Not to mention that we wouldn't need to let ourselves be blackmailed by Turkey if Germany hadn't messed up Greece so much that they just can't control their borders at all, and not for a lack of wanting. So anyway once the deal with Turkey is fully underway we'll just have a massive influx of legal Turkish unskilled immigrants instead of a massive influx of unskilled refugees from Syria and Afghanistan (and those at least could be legally deported once they are denied asylum). Sounds about right. Surely that is much better than the current situation. Okay well thats one way of looking at this, in a very negative way But surly " unskilled Turkish immigrants " is something the EU is use to...isn't that better than immigrants coming from countries like Iraq, Syria, Sudan etc. The EU is use to Turkish immigrants? He meant that the the same "refugees" that will be shipped off to Turkey will come back with Turkish passports instead. But thats not how the EU\Turkey deal is suppose to work or is structured People sent back to Turkey end up at the back of the line to now wait to get into the EU and only real Turkish citizens end up being sent to the EU Can you produce any credible links to support your criticism because if what you saying is true it would indeed make the whole agreement moot "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela
Meshugger Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Yes Erdogan has clamped down on basic human rights, many of his views are concerning but his positions around domestic policy are not enough to now make " Turkey an enemy of the West " Yes Bruce, we get it. Turkey is a NATO member so the Muslim-Putin can do as he pleases while we sort of have to oppose the real Putin because it is tradition. Not to mention that we wouldn't need to let ourselves be blackmailed by Turkey if Germany hadn't messed up Greece so much that they just can't control their borders at all, and not for a lack of wanting. So anyway once the deal with Turkey is fully underway we'll just have a massive influx of legal Turkish unskilled immigrants instead of a massive influx of unskilled refugees from Syria and Afghanistan (and those at least could be legally deported once they are denied asylum). Sounds about right. Surely that is much better than the current situation. Okay well thats one way of looking at this, in a very negative way But surly " unskilled Turkish immigrants " is something the EU is use to...isn't that better than immigrants coming from countries like Iraq, Syria, Sudan etc. The EU is use to Turkish immigrants? He meant that the the same "refugees" that will be shipped off to Turkey will come back with Turkish passports instead. But thats not how the EU\Turkey deal is suppose to work or is structured People sent back to Turkey end up at the back of the line to now wait to get into the EU and only real Turkish citizens end up being sent to the EU Can you produce any credible links to support your criticism because if what you saying is true it would indeed make the whole agreement moot The deal bears zero merit as it grants Visa-free travel for Turkish citizens and it depends on Turkey enforcing the rules to begin with, of which it has no incentive to do since there's zero punishment from Merkel and her ilk if they decide to do otherwise. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy
obyknven Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 In other countries a few turks may have a kebab-stand here and there.
obyknven Posted April 28, 2016 Posted April 28, 2016 Main problem of migration into EU - mostly weirdos and losers (or non-educated peasants) decide to leave own homelands and go into Europ for life of subslave toiletcleaner. In result we have funny situation when Turks in Stambul looks like this Meanwhile Turks in Europ have such explossive appearance. It's systemic problem and situation in future can become only worse. EU become sh*** place not because of Middle-Easterners or Africans, but because of World Revolution refusing in 1917, 1968 own rotting.
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