Zoraptor Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 I actually tend to agree, though I have no idea what to give as a shorthand label to the current situation. But, someone on the economic left is far more likely to label the current situation as being laissez faire much as someone on the economic right is likely to label it as socialism or similar. Both are wrong, but that would be their honestly held opinion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Interesting, is the most recent thing a dissertation written about him from the 80's?He stopped telling the truth since he started running for office, which is to be expected as you've observed. He's never changed his own label or said he changed his philosophy in any way so far as I know. I tend to take him at his word, being a radical from young age, having studied Marx and idolized Eugene V Debs he would know what socialism actually is, so if he says he's a socialist, he is a socialist. As far as Social Democrat, from what I read there are two types, ones who believe in regulated and redistributive capitalism and ones who see that stage as a way point to true socialism. I can believe Sanders is the second type, but not the first. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Interesting, is the most recent thing a dissertation written about him from the 80's?He stopped telling the truth since he started running for office, which is to be expected as you've observed. He's never changed his own label or said he changed his philosophy in any way so far as I know. I tend to take him at his word, being a radical from young age, having studied Marx and idolized Eugene V Debs he would know what socialism actually is, so if he says he's a socialist, he is a socialist. As far as Social Democrat, from what I read there are two types, ones who believe in regulated and redistributive capitalism and ones who see that stage as a way point to true socialism. I can believe Sanders is the second type, but not the first. So here's a question for you. Assuming that Sanders makes it into office, do you actually think he can turn the entire economy of the United States to a socialist one in the 4/8 years he gets? 1 Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Interesting, is the most recent thing a dissertation written about him from the 80's?He stopped telling the truth since he started running for office, which is to be expected as you've observed. He's never changed his own label or said he changed his philosophy in any way so far as I know. I tend to take him at his word, being a radical from young age, having studied Marx and idolized Eugene V Debs he would know what socialism actually is, so if he says he's a socialist, he is a socialist. As far as Social Democrat, from what I read there are two types, ones who believe in regulated and redistributive capitalism and ones who see that stage as a way point to true socialism. I can believe Sanders is the second type, but not the first. So here's a question for you. Assuming that Sanders makes it into office, do you actually think he can turn the entire economy of the United States to a socialist one in the 4/8 years he gets? Considering he will be facing a solid Republican House and maybe Senate I'd say nope. As long as the government is divided freedom and liberty are relatively safe. It's when one party control everything that we need to sweat. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Interesting, is the most recent thing a dissertation written about him from the 80's? He stopped telling the truth since he started running for office, which is to be expected as you've observed. He's never changed his own label or said he changed his philosophy in any way so far as I know. I tend to take him at his word, being a radical from young age, having studied Marx and idolized Eugene V Debs he would know what socialism actually is, so if he says he's a socialist, he is a socialist. As far as Social Democrat, from what I read there are two types, ones who believe in regulated and redistributive capitalism and ones who see that stage as a way point to true socialism. I can believe Sanders is the second type, but not the first. So here's a question for you. Assuming that Sanders makes it into office, do you actually think he can turn the entire economy of the United States to a socialist one in the 4/8 years he gets? Considering he will be facing a solid Republican House and maybe Senate I'd say nope. As long as the government is divided freedom and liberty are relatively safe. It's when one party control everything that we need to sweat. That's rather idealistic, considering that bipartisan laws that tend to pass are stuff like the Patriot/Freedom Act, CISA, and TPP. 3 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Interesting, is the most recent thing a dissertation written about him from the 80's?He stopped telling the truth since he started running for office, which is to be expected as you've observed. He's never changed his own label or said he changed his philosophy in any way so far as I know. I tend to take him at his word, being a radical from young age, having studied Marx and idolized Eugene V Debs he would know what socialism actually is, so if he says he's a socialist, he is a socialist. As far as Social Democrat, from what I read there are two types, ones who believe in regulated and redistributive capitalism and ones who see that stage as a way point to true socialism. I can believe Sanders is the second type, but not the first.So here's a question for you. Assuming that Sanders makes it into office, do you actually think he can turn the entire economy of the United States to a socialist one in the 4/8 years he gets?Considering he will be facing a solid Republican House and maybe Senate I'd say nope. As long as the government is divided freedom and liberty are relatively safe. It's when one party control everything that we need to sweat. That's rather idealistic, considering that bipartisan laws that tend to pass are stuff like the Patriot/Freedom Act, CISA, and TPP. Good point "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 (edited) Yeah but the "socialist" programs Bernie wants are clearly not bipartisan. Really it is fairly surprising what is partisan politics. You would think that it would be fairly obvious that the 100+ people hanging out in Gitmo need to be put on trial at some point. It's the basic premise Habeas Corpus. It was something the President said he would do in his first year in office, and yet it continues to get blocked by the opposing party. 7+ years of that ridiculousness. Edited November 26, 2015 by Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Yeah but the "socialist" programs Bernie wants are clearly not bipartisan. Being consistently against the three policies mentioned is enough for me to be willing to vote for him. Alas, Clinton will grab the nomination and her position shifts on a daily basis. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well if you are in the middle class, I don't understand why you would vote for anyone but Bernie Williams. If I ran a corporation, sure, I'd vote for Clinton. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well if you are in the middle class, I don't understand why you would vote for anyone but Bernie Williams. If I ran a corporation, sure, I'd vote for Clinton. Bernie Williams? Is this a clone of Robin Williams and Bernie Sanders? "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ineth Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Being consistently against the three policies mentioned is enough for me to be willing to vote for him. Yes, a President Sanders would be an insurance against more evil of the "Freedom Act and TPP" kind. This is one of the two things in his favor. The second is the fact that his presidency might sever the historic entanglement of the Democratic Party with Wall Street. This unholy relationship has already been outwardly downplayed ever since the Occupy protests, but a Sanders presidency might end if for real. "Some ideas are so stupid that only an intellectual could believe them." -- attributed to George Orwell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calax Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well if you are in the middle class, I don't understand why you would vote for anyone but Bernie Williams. If I ran a corporation, sure, I'd vote for Clinton. Technically I'm lower class due to my income status, but I'd vote for Hillary because I think she'd get more done on a range of topics. A President Sanders seems like he'd get one or two items on his agenda done, but doggedly block anything that ran mildly contrary to his ideals. Meaning the gridlock that we've been dealing with as part of the democratic system just lodges itself harder in Washington. Victor of the 5 year fan fic competition! Kevin Butler will awesome your face off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leferd Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well if you are in the middle class, I don't understand why you would vote for anyone but Bernie Williams. If I ran a corporation, sure, I'd vote for Clinton. Bernie Williams approves this message. 4 "Things are funny...are comedic, because they mix the real with the absurd." - Buzz Aldrin."P-O-T-A-T-O-E" - Dan Quayle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Well if you are in the middle class, I don't understand why you would vote for anyone but Bernie Williams. If I ran a corporation, sure, I'd vote for Clinton. Bernie Williams? Is this a clone of Robin Williams and Bernie Sanders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Leferd beat me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Guys did you hear Hilary has a vagina "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 26, 2015 Share Posted November 26, 2015 Guys did you hear Hilary has a vagina Yes, I believe it's the only consistent position she's held. 4 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted November 27, 2015 Share Posted November 27, 2015 Is Hilary related to Bernie Wiliams? (She was, after all, named after world famous Hamiltron apiarist Edmund Hillary, who reinforced his fame by climbing Everest a few years after her birth) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Yeah but the "socialist" programs Bernie wants are clearly not bipartisan. Really it is fairly surprising what is partisan politics. You would think that it would be fairly obvious that the 100+ people hanging out in Gitmo need to be put on trial at some point. It's the basic premise Habeas Corpus. It was something the President said he would do in his first year in office, and yet it continues to get blocked by the opposing party. 7+ years of that ridiculousness. Habeas Corpus doesn't apply to enemy combatants, especially illegal ones. You may be aware that German prisoners of war were held for the duration of the war without any trial. The opposing party did not block trials for the Gitmo detainees. Obola started out by tearing down the legal structure which was set up by Bush and Congress for such trials, then his gang of incompetent loonies couldn't come up with anything that would be legal. "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Uh, illegal ones? You understand that the vast majority of people held in Gitmo were captured in Afghanistan. Actually only 3 were even captured by US forces. Habeas Corpus can apply to anyone we want it to apply to. The point is to put them on trial for their crimes, not to be held indefinitely without any due process. Considering the Afghanistan war started in 2001, it is fairly ridiculous they haven't been put on trial. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 (edited) Uh, illegal ones? You understand that the vast majority of people held in Gitmo were captured in Afghanistan. Actually only 3 were even captured by US forces.lol, do you think I'm talking about illegal aliens? They're illegal because they were not fighting for a recognized state, but instead for terrorist organizations. Habeas Corpus can apply to anyone we want it to apply to.That's not how laws work, it doesn't matter what you want. The point is to put them on trial for their crimes, not to be held indefinitely without any due process. Considering the Afghanistan war started in 2001, it is fairly ridiculous they haven't been put on trial.They're not held for punishment, they're held because they're likely to take up arms against US if released, just like any prisoner of war. Edited November 28, 2015 by Wrath of Dagon "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 So...you just want to hold these people indefinitely without a trial? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Trials are unamerican. 2 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wrath of Dagon Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 So...you just want to hold these people indefinitely without a trial? Beats them going back to kill some more Americans, doesn't it? "Moral indignation is a standard strategy for endowing the idiot with dignity." Marshall McLuhan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Namutree Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 So...you just want to hold these people indefinitely without a trial? Not saying I agree or disagree with your sentiment. I just liked the kitty. 1 "Good thing I don't heal my characters or they'd be really hurt." Is not something I should ever be thinking. I use blue text when I'm being sarcastic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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