Journalism and Bias in the Gaming Industry

[Malcador]

I don't get it.

Sort of a pot and kettle thing with Moosa complaining about shaming people online for opinions.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

Hahaha.

 

I don't get it.

 

 

Can you feel how they are grasping at straws? It feels good, man.

Looking at what you've publicly done at your job isn't spying.

 

 

I don't get it.

Sort of a pot and kettle thing with Moosa complaining about shaming people online for opinions.

I have no idea who that is. I assume they're standard SJW? If so, it is quite funny.

[Meshugger]

Includes some slight NSFW-material

 

Edited May 7, 2015 by Meshugger

[Undecaf]

[Meshugger]

Jaa mehr maskulinsten, bitte schön.

[Meshugger]

Another ****lord weighing in:

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://youtu.be/pOxDtBv9wHs

[Hurlshort]

I got about 6 minutes in.  I think I deserve recognition for that.  Maybe a cookie.

[Malcador]

Insufficient cleavage to continue.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Insufficient cleavage to continue.

She's done other videos where that isn't an issue.

[BruceVC]

I got about 6 minutes in.  I think I deserve recognition for that.  Maybe a cookie.

 

Well what Chris says up to 7 minutes is largely accurate, that the initial reasons for the creation of GG  was based on a false accusation of collusion between  developers and gaming journalists. He correctly dismisses  the whole Quinn saga about her sleeping with 5 guys and Grayson only punting her game because she was having sex with him. These are all baseless accusations and were a reason for the foundation of GG so that should tell you something about the merits of the movement?

 

This whole thread really highlights this, the general debate here has nothing to do with ethics in the gaming industry 

Edited May 8, 2015 by BruceVC

[Fighter]

As much as you or them keep trying to dismiss the ethics issue. Most of these sites improved their disclosure policies because of Zoe Quinn which disproves that point. Because despite trying to dismiss it they knew a conflict of interest when they saw it.

 

The response to any part of it from journos has everything to do with ethics. This would never have been a thing if not for that. Gamergate was born from the identity politics articles. Zoe would have been forgotten if they didn't go on the attack. This conversation is about what they made it about.

[BruceVC]

As much as you or them keep trying to dismiss the ethics issue. Most of these sites improved their disclosure policies because of Zoe Quinn which disproves that point. Because despite trying to dismiss it they knew a conflict of interest when they saw it.

 

The response to any part of it from journos has everything to do with ethics. This would never have been a thing if not for that. Gamergate was born from the identity politics articles. Zoe would have been forgotten if they didn't go on the attack. This conversation is about what they made it about.

 

There is nothing wrong with a discussion about ethics in the gaming industry but very seldom do we actually see that type of discussion when is comes to issues raised by GG or people that support the movement 

 

As I keep saying its more about undermining or dismissing SJ initiatives or people that support SJ 

[Meshugger]

 

As much as you or them keep trying to dismiss the ethics issue. Most of these sites improved their disclosure policies because of Zoe Quinn which disproves that point. Because despite trying to dismiss it they knew a conflict of interest when they saw it.

 

The response to any part of it from journos has everything to do with ethics. This would never have been a thing if not for that. Gamergate was born from the identity politics articles. Zoe would have been forgotten if they didn't go on the attack. This conversation is about what they made it about.

 

There is nothing wrong with a discussion about ethics in the gaming industry but very seldom do we actually see that type of discussion when is comes to issues raised by GG or people that support the movement 

 

As I keep saying its more about undermining or dismissing SJ initiatives or people that support SJ 

 

 

Because it's clear and in the open and for the first time, easily accessable: http://deepfreeze.it/

[BruceVC]

 

 

As much as you or them keep trying to dismiss the ethics issue. Most of these sites improved their disclosure policies because of Zoe Quinn which disproves that point. Because despite trying to dismiss it they knew a conflict of interest when they saw it.

 

The response to any part of it from journos has everything to do with ethics. This would never have been a thing if not for that. Gamergate was born from the identity politics articles. Zoe would have been forgotten if they didn't go on the attack. This conversation is about what they made it about.

 

There is nothing wrong with a discussion about ethics in the gaming industry but very seldom do we actually see that type of discussion when is comes to issues raised by GG or people that support the movement 

 

As I keep saying its more about undermining or dismissing SJ initiatives or people that support SJ 

 

 

Because it's clear and in the open and for the first time, easily accessable: http://deepfreeze.it/

 

 

Wow, okay. There seems to be a lot of anger on that website, I'll go through some of the links and articles though

Edited May 8, 2015 by BruceVC

[Nonek]

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

[Keyrock]

Oh, King Art Games, you beautiful ****lords.

 

https://youtu.be/U8_2yBVd2KM?t=1313

 

[BruceVC]

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

 

What cash payments were made to Quinn?

 

Provide links or it didn't happen, its very unethical to make baseless and defamatory accusations Nonek...I'm surprised I have to tell you this?

[Nonek]

Ooh scolded for telling the truth by Bruce, such a moral authority.

 

Do your own investigation hypocrite this is common knowledge, and i'll not waste my time on satisfying an abuser of womens tiny mind.

[kgambit]

 

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

 

What cash payments were made to Quinn?

 

Provide links or it didn't happen, its very unethical to make baseless and defamatory accusations Nonek...I'm surprised I have to tell you this?

 

 

 

 

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/04/kotaku-writer-paid-800-to-dev-he-was-sleeping-with-without-disclosure/

 

Grayson confirmed that the payment took place

Edited May 8, 2015 by kgambit

[BruceVC]

 

 

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

 

What cash payments were made to Quinn?

 

Provide links or it didn't happen, its very unethical to make baseless and defamatory accusations Nonek...I'm surprised I have to tell you this?

 

 

 

 

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/04/kotaku-writer-paid-800-to-dev-he-was-sleeping-with-without-disclosure/

 

Grayson confirmed that the payment took place

 

 

Was this not a personal matter? Is this related in anyway to the game Depression Quest that Quinn created? In the article it says 

 

"Grayson did confirm the payment, but also noted that it had nothing to do with Kotaku and was a separate matter relating to the brief time when he and Quinn were together " 

 

How is paying someone money that you dated proof of unethical behavior? This is surly a private that has been explained and is  not related to Grayson's time as a gaming journalist so I don't see how this relevant ?

[BruceVC]

Ooh scolded for telling the truth by Bruce, such a moral authority.

 

Do your own investigation hypocrite this is common knowledge, and i'll not waste my time on satisfying an abuser of womens tiny mind.

 

Yeah I would expect this from you, much easier just to say things and not have to back them up 

[kgambit]

 

 

 

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

 

What cash payments were made to Quinn?

 

Provide links or it didn't happen, its very unethical to make baseless and defamatory accusations Nonek...I'm surprised I have to tell you this?

 

 

 

 

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/04/kotaku-writer-paid-800-to-dev-he-was-sleeping-with-without-disclosure/

 

Grayson confirmed that the payment took place

 

 

Was this not a personal matter? Is this related in anyway to the game Depression Quest that Quinn created? In the article it says 

 

"Grayson did confirm the payment, but also noted that it had nothing to do with Kotaku and was a separate matter relating to the brief time when he and Quinn were together " 

 

How is paying someone money that you dated proof of unethical behavior? This is surly a private that has been explained and is  not related to Grayson's time as a gaming journalist so I don't see how this relevant ?

 

 

You asked for proof the payments were made.  I provided that.   How you choose to interpret that information and the circumstances around it is entirely up to you.   

Edited May 8, 2015 by kgambit

[Nonek]

 

Ooh scolded for telling the truth by Bruce, such a moral authority.

 

Do your own investigation hypocrite this is common knowledge, and i'll not waste my time on satisfying an abuser of womens tiny mind.

 

Yeah I would expect this from you, much easier just to say things and not have to back them up 

 

 

Like your unproven assertion that Mr Grayson is innocent of any unethical behaviour? Please Bruce you can believe your own lies, as i'm sure they let you sleep at night, but don't expect any others to do so.

 

A game journalist has a code of ethics to follow, he should not have a personal relationship of any kind with a game developer, never mind sleeping with one or paying for what follows. This is basic ethics, that can be confirmed by any ethics professor or anybody possessing a journalism degree. This should be simple to comprehend for a child or even you.

 

Edit: I'm not surprised that I have to tell you this.

Edited May 8, 2015 by Nonek

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

 

Sleeping with a developer and making undisclosed cash payments to them is a clear conflict of interest for any game journalist, this is not to be argued by anybody with a grasp of ethics, and lying that it is not just makes the liar look like an indoctrinated loon. Of course you could then shift the goalposts when faced by this irrefutable truth, and say that a multi billion dollar industry does not warrant a media that is fit for purpose and ethical, but that is the statement of a halfwit. It's almost like the pathetic attempts to deny the gamers are dead articles were not a hateful attack on those whom play games recreationally, one really needs a vivid imagination to make this statement after reading their hateful and regressive content.

 

What cash payments were made to Quinn?

 

Provide links or it didn't happen, its very unethical to make baseless and defamatory accusations Nonek...I'm surprised I have to tell you this?

 

 

 

 

http://blogjob.com/oneangrygamer/2015/04/kotaku-writer-paid-800-to-dev-he-was-sleeping-with-without-disclosure/

 

Grayson confirmed that the payment took place

 

 

Was this not a personal matter? Is this related in anyway to the game Depression Quest that Quinn created? In the article it says 

 

"Grayson did confirm the payment, but also noted that it had nothing to do with Kotaku and was a separate matter relating to the brief time when he and Quinn were together " 

 

How is paying someone money that you dated proof of unethical behavior? This is surly a private that has been explained and is  not related to Grayson's time as a gaming journalist so I don't see how this relevant ?

 

 

You asked for proof the payments were made.  I provided that.   How you choose to interpret that information and the circumstances around it is entirely up to you.   

 

 

Yes so Grayson and Quinn dated for a short time. For me some payment made from Grayson to Quinn is not irrefutable proof of unethical conduct