White People: What They Say in Public vs Behind Closed Doors

[Cantousent]

 

 

Kaineparker is super into labelling things.  I bet his spice cabinet is immaculate.

the kinda guy that uses a label maker device to make a label for his label maker... says "label maker"? 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

Thanks, now I have to wipe coffee stains off my keyboard.

 

I'm hoping it came out of your nose like a geyser.  :Cant's whistling and shining his halo icon:

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Kaineparker is super into labelling things.  I bet his spice cabinet is immaculate.

I am and it is.

 

the kinda guy that uses a label maker device to make a label for his label maker... says "label maker"? 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Actually it says "labeler".

 

The left-right spectrum is flawed in oodles of ways. Political realities are far more complex than that spectrum accounts for.

Didn't say it wasn't, but separating economic beliefs into left and right is workable enough.

 

This has nothing to do with your misuse or misunderstanding of the word 'cuck'.

Cuck was used as a slur. If you find your feathers ruffled so over that, substitute an insult of your choice.

 

The average modern Republican is far more like yesterday's Democrat than the other way around on most issues.

Because today's Republican's are yesterday's Democrats. I come from a sate where this is the case.

 

This is literally the exact opposite of the truth.

You have specific examples of falsehood?

 

Funny thing, at the very end there was talk about the ball being in Washington's court over Iran and that situation won't change if the West keeps supporting Israel completely. Wasn't there just a recent hubbub over certain congressman being good goyim and listening to Sheldon Adelson's puppet Bibi?

[Hurlshort]

I am completely convinced that a Republican President would make nearly the same decisions that our current President has made in almost all matters.  The main difference would be the Affordable Care Act would likely be swapped for some other program, but it too would be crippled and ineffective.  I also think that big business lobbyists control the majority of what happens.  

[Guard Dog]

I am completely convinced that a Republican President would make nearly the same decisions that our current President has made in almost all matters.  The main difference would be the Affordable Care Act would likely be swapped for some other program, but it too would be crippled and ineffective.  I also think that big business lobbyists control the majority of what happens.  

Shoot, they could have fixed the whole health insurance mess with just one law: Any company can sell policies to anyone in any state. Problems solved.

 

I don't want to derail this thread though.

Edited March 13, 2015 by Guard Dog

[Cantousent]

How would anyone know you'd done it, my canine friend?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I am completely convinced that a Republican President would make nearly the same decisions that our current President has made in almost all matters.  The main difference would be the Affordable Care Act would likely be swapped for some other program, but it too would be crippled and ineffective.  I also think that big business lobbyists control the majority of what happens.

The candidates running in both 2008 and 2012 certainly would have. I'm not convinced that the pile of **** that is the ACA would have been replaced with something very different to be honest. The best way to control politics is to allow a narrow range of acceptable positions but allow for very lively debate within that spectrum.

 

As to corporate interests running things, they are the ones paying the bills of politicians. It would be naive to think they weren't getting something out of that.

 

Shoot, they could have fixed the whole health insurance mess with just one law: Any company can sell policies to anyone in any state. Problems solved.

 

I don't want to derail this thread though.

It's a ktchong(who is a new alt of the individual behind oby I believe) thread, they exist to be derailed. Just post the most outrageous **** you can think of.

[Longknife]

 

Since when were the '80's the '50's wtf?

Shhh, let him run with it a while.

 

 

Well it's just like wtf stop looking back and start looking at now.

 

We're talking about the baby boomer generation essentially, and that's a generation that itself realized women can work outside of the kitchen. There's some that don't think that way, but that generation is now in their 60's. They're on their way out, and the people running the show come from the '80's. The only thing the people from the '80's ever oppressed was reasonable fashion sense.

 

  My Nazi grandfather passed away two months ago, only heard about it recently. Didn't really know him all that well as my German family is screwy as hell (I mean my uncle found out about his death a month late and via the newspaper, hasn't spoken to his brother (my father) at all and then took his time telling me about it, not to mention my father didn't bother telling him. We're not exactly a close or happy family), and to be fair of course he wasn't a Nazi to his dying breath. Nah, he served in the Nazi army but like many, regretted it later. (though knowing him, he's so spineless he'd re-enlist if the majority voice said to do it again)

 

  It got me thinking about how times are changing. He was like 93. He was very healthy and lived very long, and now he's dead. The last of the Nazi generation is currently dying off, and soon you won't be able to find a man on this earth who served during WWII. The days of racism against Jews in Germany are absolutely dead. Sure, of course you could find a loon if you wanted to, but the percent of the population that would support such opinions is so tiny it's not worth mentioning.

 

 

  And here we are again pretending like the 80's is basically the 50's. No, no it's not. The 50's happened twice as long ago as the 80's. The 50's generation is all in the process of retiring; they do not run the world anymore. To act like things are no different from the days of the 50's is nothing short of absurd.

 

 

  It's little things like that that drive me up the wall. Malala is off in the Middle East getting shot in the face so women can actually...yknow, learn things? And here we are discussing if women are oppressed because some older TV shows from bygone generations still show tidbits of sexist attitudes, and men still occassionally hold doors open for women. Good thing we're tackling the important issues head on!

 

 

 

It may be fictional but its accurate account of a women's role in the workplace and perceived place in the home  in the 1960's and earlier

 

 

Yeah and greasers with an obsession for giving people the thumbs up sign were known for jumping over sharks while water skiing in those days, too.

Edited March 13, 2015 by Longknife

[Gromnir]

"The days of racism against Jews in Germany are absolutely dead. Sure, of course you could find a loon if you wanted to, but the percent of the population that would support such opinions is so tiny it's not worth mentioning."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/opinion/jochen-bittner-whats-behind-germanys-new-anti-semitism.html

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/anti-semitism-debate-roils-german-left-1416434267

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/antisemitism-germany_n_6794928.html

 

is dated 2014 and 2015.

 

racism is not only loading folks into cattle cars and then slaughtering 'em by the millions.  yes, the worst thing the nazis did were their mass murders o' jews, gays, gypsies, etc.  even so, their enduring legacy might be that the scale and overt nature o' their atrocities makes us instantly think o' nazis when we hear o' "racists." is easy to ignore comparatively trivial racism... and just about everything is gonna be trivial in comparison.

 

edit: also note that is not only muslim germans accused o' being responsible in the rise o' anti-jewish hate.

Edited March 13, 2015 by Gromnir

[Hurlshort]

Whoa whoa, be careful how you speak of The Fonze.  
 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

"The days of racism against Jews in Germany are absolutely dead. Sure, of course you could find a loon if you wanted to, but the percent of the population that would support such opinions is so tiny it's not worth mentioning."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/opinion/jochen-bittner-whats-behind-germanys-new-anti-semitism.html

 

is dated 2014.  

 

racism is not only loading folks into cattle cars and then slaughtering 'em by the millions.  yes, the worst thing the nazis did were their mass murders o' jews, gays, gypsies, etc.  even so, their enduring legacy might be that the scale and overt nature o' their atrocities makes us instantly think o' nazis when we hear o' "racists." is easy to ignore comparatively trivial racism... and just about everything is gonna be trivial in comparison.

"The new anti-Semitism does not originate solely with the typical white-supremacist neo-Nazi; instead, the ugly truth that many in Europe don’t want to confront is that much of the anti-Jewish animus originates with European people of Muslim background."

 

Interesting but not surprising.

[Gromnir]

the author o' the nytimes article is german. he might just have some kinda motive for blaming a fringe element.  it is a historic german tactic after all.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/02/22/german-panel-on-anti-semitism-ripped-for-not-including-jews/

 

yes, fox news is teh evil.  we general ignore anything from fox, but keep in mind the accusations 'gainst fox is that they is comical conservatives and hawks, yes?  am not sure how much stock we put in the story, but if true it does reveal a continuing misunderstanding within germany regarding marginalization o' jews, even after all these decades. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited March 13, 2015 by Gromnir

[Namutree]

 

This is literally the exact opposite of the truth.

You have specific examples of falsehood?

 

When he states that today's democrats have shifted to the right. Neither party has shifted to the right; both parties have been shifting left. At least when it comes to economic issues.

 

 

 

Corporatist Capitalism is right and is incompatible with leftist ideologies, which are almost exclusively anti-capitalist. Democrats are corporatist to the core.

 

Won't even touch the Authoritarian-Libertarian axis, but with wanting to restrict guns democrats fail there too.

 

Corporatism is not a form of capitalism and neither is it "right" as it doesn't conform to our founding principles.

[Barothmuk]

Ugh, nvm.

 

Remembered Namutree considers Republicans banning abortion to be "leftist".

Edited March 13, 2015 by Barothmuk

[Cantousent]

Aw, it doesn't matter if Namutree disagrees with you or not.  If you think you have something to add to the conversation, you should weigh in, Baro.  Seriously, mud wrestling in the pits of WoT is best game in town.  Just don't get gritty sand in your G-string and you'll be fine.  After all, any response will just be... words.  :Cant's friendly grin icon:

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

When he states that today's democrats have shifted to the right. Neither party has shifted to the right; both parties have been shifting left. At least when it comes to economic issues.

You're not seriously suggesting either party has shifted towards public ownership of the means of production are you?

 

Corporatism is not a form of capitalism and neither is it "right" as it doesn't conform to our founding principles.

Both right economic theories and Capitalism existed before the founding principles of the USA. As Corporatism is a system where trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, it is capitalism.

 

Just don't get gritty sand in your G-string and you'll be fine.

By Hoxha's bunkers, that's the best part!

[licketysplit]

Has anyone asked what minorities say about white people? I'm sure it's just as flattering,

[Barothmuk]

 

When he states that today's democrats have shifted to the right. Neither party has shifted to the right; both parties have been shifting left. At least when it comes to economic issues.

You're not seriously suggesting either party has shifted towards public ownership of the means of production are you?

 

Reagan was totally a neo-Stalinist.

[Gromnir]

Has anyone asked what minorities say about white people? I'm sure it's just as flattering,

we find white folks to be fascinating creatures.  their diversity makes generalizations and labels of extreme limited efficacy.  while their pasty complexions is frequent less than becoming, we will observe many is quite handsome.  the female o' the species gives birth to live young and gestation lasts approximately 9 months.  white children are almost completely helpless for the first few years of their life. the species is mildly dimorphic; white males tend to be larger and more hirsute than the females. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Namutree]

Ugh, nvm.

 

Remembered Namutree considers Republicans banning abortion to be "leftist".

Never said that. I considered it socialistic as it suggests collective ownership of people's bodies, but I wouldn't label it "leftist" as the US has no tradition on the matter, nor do any of the philosophies we are founded on ever address the issue.

 

 

 

When he states that today's democrats have shifted to the right. Neither party has shifted to the right; both parties have been shifting left. At least when it comes to economic issues.

You're not seriously suggesting either party has shifted towards public ownership of the means of production are you?

Being "right" is simply adhering to the traditional system and the philosophy(s) behind it. Being "left" is as simple as opposing the traditional system and philosophy(s) behind it. It doesn't matter whether they're moving toward public ownership of the means of production; what matters is that they're moving towards something different than our founding system/ideals.

 

Right: Old ideas good; New ideas bad.

Left: New ideas good; Old ideas bad.

 

At least that's how I see it.

[Longknife]

"The days of racism against Jews in Germany are absolutely dead. Sure, of course you could find a loon if you wanted to, but the percent of the population that would support such opinions is so tiny it's not worth mentioning."

 

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/opinion/jochen-bittner-whats-behind-germanys-new-anti-semitism.html

 

http://www.wsj.com/articles/anti-semitism-debate-roils-german-left-1416434267

 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/03/04/antisemitism-germany_n_6794928.html

 

is dated 2014 and 2015.

 

racism is not only loading folks into cattle cars and then slaughtering 'em by the millions.  yes, the worst thing the nazis did were their mass murders o' jews, gays, gypsies, etc.  even so, their enduring legacy might be that the scale and overt nature o' their atrocities makes us instantly think o' nazis when we hear o' "racists." is easy to ignore comparatively trivial racism... and just about everything is gonna be trivial in comparison.

 

edit: also note that is not only muslim germans accused o' being responsible in the rise o' anti-jewish hate.

 

 

Going to have to strongly disagree with the accuracy of those articles. I'm not sure if it's the articles themselves or your interpretation of them, but the idea that there's still anti-semitism amongst Germans is absurd. Racism stems from ignorance (of course) and sort of needing a scapegoat to blame things on, and of course stuff gets blamed on the minority that's most noticeable. For example if you were to ask me is there racism against muslims or turks within Germany, I'd say "of course there is," to the exact same degree you'll find racism against mexicans in the US. That's because they're the minority of the country, and just like I hear Americans complain about having to put up with hearing spanish, I'll hear Germans rant about the idea of offering turkish classes in school. But racism against jews....? There's simply no reason for it (there's never reason for it, but what I mean is there tends to be a pattern with how racism occurs and that pattern isn't here). They're not even noticeable, they're not as numerous as Russians or Turks nor do they go about speaking Hebrew instead of German, nor is there some natural culture clash between Germans and Jews to create such conflict. (example, Turks can be much quicker to start a fight, and this is something a German may complain about. Interestingly I hear the fight-happy Turks are only in Germany and this has nothing to do with Turkish culture in Turkey)

 

But I've lived here 8 years. I've encountered one guy spewing hate about jews that was German, and he was homeless, an alcoholic, drunk off his ass, and at that moment he was going down a list of things he could say for shock value with comments against Jews (or rather hand motions, in his case) being just one of many.

 

  How many muslim friends have I met that openly admit they hate jews? Quite a few. Even knew a guy from Lebanon that we had to tell him he can get in serious trouble for doing the Hitler salute because he was so open and drastic in his dislike of Israel. Funnily enough we met an Israeli girl not long after and he was very respectful and kind to her, so in his (and other muslim's aswell) defense, he had sense enough to not hold prejudice against any jewish people he personally met.

 

Read the articles again and check the comment section. You'll find plenty of people in the comment section calling it absurd aswell, or saying the only anti-Semites in Germany are not the Germans themselves. The only people who'd voice such racism are Muslim immigrants; not saying that to try and throw those guys under the bus or something, it's just the honest truth. The only time I ever get news about anti-semitism or Nazis is when the Nazi political party visits a town to do a demonstration or whatever and it ends the same every time: they bring 30 people, they get faced with a counter-protest of 30,000 or something ridiculous. My experience here differs so drastically from those articles that yes, I would be so bold as to question the legitimacy of their claims.

[Blarghagh]

That's weird, I don't even live there, I've just spent maybe 3 weeks total in my life there, and I managed to encounter neo-Nazis in both Berlin and Küln.

 

EDIT: To be fair, in Berlin it was in the zoo and I can't be sure they weren't tourist hooligans bored and stirring up trouble, so I'm not sure they were German. They got thrown out, too. But in Küln they were literally passing out leaflets with neo-Nazi propoganda, so I'm positive on that one.

[Hurlshort]

Longknife's argument against anti-semitism existing in Germany seems to boil down to the fact that there aren't that many Jewish people in Germany.  

[aluminiumtrioxid]

Longknife's argument against anti-semitism existing in Germany seems to boil down to the fact that there aren't that many Jewish people in Germany.  

 

In all fairness, I'd also argue that there isn't any meaningful anti-black sentiment in my country because we have a very low (<1%, if I had to guess) percentage of black population.

 

Would this reasoning be faulty?

[Malcador]

Has anyone asked what minorities say about white people? I'm sure it's just as flattering,

 

People hate others, way things go - though I suppose it's no defense for either side.  Not very exciting terms to racially abuse white skinned people though - some Indian dude cussed out a cyclist with "You white bitch!!"  then went off on me when I laughed at how weak that was.

[Gfted1]

My wife sometimes lovingly calls me a "wop". Then I call her a "mick" and we laugh and laugh and go make out.