Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Meshugger]

One thing in the article, the part about the SuperBunneyHop joining GameJournoPros, was this ever covered before?

[Meshugger]

http://www.twitch.tv/totalbiscuit

 

Total Biscuit vs. Jason Schreier in a debate.

[Fighter]

Here is a Dying Light criticism that actually makes sense. Not Anita's one track vision.

 

http://www.theastronauts.com/2015/02/dying-light-damsels-distress/

 

Also...

 

Edited February 4, 2015 by Fighter

[exodiark]

Dead Island is empowering for women. Chinese character is very strong. Albeit insult to Chinese culture.

 

They have Chinese cast?

[Gorgon]

That statistic just shows that it's bad across the board in related industries ?

 

Fun fact. Male nuses here insist on using the feminine suffix. Think 'steward' vs 'stewardess'. When you apply for training, that's even the official term. Talk about perpetrating gender stereotypes.

[Shallow]

But Anita isn't a female gamer, your point is invalid...

[Ineth]

That statistic just shows that it's bad across the board in related industries ?

 

But why is it inherently "bad" if men and women, on average, end up in different career paths?

 

I really don't understand the modern/progressive left-wing mindset here.

 

• classical liberals: "Each of you may choose what to do with your own life. Period. If someone doesn't like the statistical outcome, they can try to peacefully persuade you to choose differently, but coercion and top-down 'social planning' are impermissible."

   

• progressive 'liberals': "Each of you may choose what to do with your own life, but don't you dare make life choices which, when summed up over the population as a whole, result in a different statistical distribution than we social planners have wisely deemed the correct one!"

   

• socialists: "A central bureaucracy needs to choose your career path and life plan for you. For the greater good. Don't like it? You will after you return from the gulag re-education camp!"

   

• conservatives: "Murica, **** yeah!!! Sorry, what was the question again?"

 

At least the socialist ideology, while immoral, is internally consistent. The progressive not-so-liberal left manages to make theirs both immoral and internally inconsistent at the same time.

[Fighter]

"Sexist representation" (Note: This comes from Daniel Vavra and I cannot vouch fro how accurate it is):

 

[Blarghagh]

Most of it's accurate, though I question a lot of the "Asexual" choices. Shovel Knight and Octodad are both very clearly established to be male, for example.

[Barothmuk]

• classical liberals: "Each of you may choose what to do with your own life. Period. If someone doesn't like the statistical outcome, they can try to peacefully persuade you to choose differently, but coercion and top-down 'social planning' are impermissible."
• progressive 'liberals': "Each of you may choose what to do with your own life, but don't you dare make life choices which, when summed up over the population as a whole, result in a different statistical distribution than we social planners have wisely deemed the correct one!"
• socialists: "A central bureaucracy needs to choose your career path and life plan for you. For the greater good. Don't like it? You will after you return from the gulag re-education camp!"
• conservatives: "Murica, **** yeah!!! Sorry, what was the question again?"

I really don't understand the modern/progressive left-wing mindset here.

That much is clear. Edited February 4, 2015 by Barothmuk

[Gorgon]

it's not 'bad' per se. It's just curious that these divisions are almost unchanged from the 1950s where gender inequity was a real thing. 

[exodiark]

Most of it's accurate, though I question a lot of the "Asexual" choices. Shovel Knight and Octodad are both very clearly established to be male, for example.

I think he was trying to convey that those characters are not sexually appealing in general sense.

Child of Light is about a girl, yet Vavra put the game in asexual, because, well she's still a kid. South Park, while having sexual content, doesn't really have sexually appealing protagonists.

[Namutree]

 

• socialists: "A central bureaucracy needs to choose your career path and life plan for you. For the greater good. Don't like it? You will after you return from the gulag re-education camp!"

   

I think that's a little harsh. Some forms of socialism are like this, but not all. Socialism is a broad term that encompasses many different ideologies. None of which I support, but in fairness I feel it's best I object. Switch socialist with authoritarian and it'd be more accurate.

Edited February 4, 2015 by Namutree

[Barothmuk]

I think that's a little harsh. Some forms of socialism are like this,

Not really.

 

Not even the Soviet Union (as he was referencing) chose people's jobs for them.

Switch socialist with authoritarian and it'd be more accurate.

Switch "Socialist" to uninformed delusions of the right-wing and it'd be more accurate. Edited February 4, 2015 by Barothmuk

[Namutree]

 

I think that's a little harsh. Some forms of socialism are like this,

Not really.

 

North Korea does in fact assign people jobs.

 

EDIT:  Shortened the box to only include the statement that I responded to. I should have done that in the first place, but oh well...

Edited February 4, 2015 by Namutree

[Gorgon]

 

 

• socialists: "A central bureaucracy needs to choose your career path and life plan for you. For the greater good. Don't like it? You will after you return from the gulag re-education camp!"

   

I think that's a little harsh. Some forms of socialism are like this, but not all. Socialism is a broad term that encompasses many different ideologies. None of which I support, but in fairness I feel it's best I object. Switch socialist with authoritarian and it'd be more accurate.

 

A lot of people have Socialism confused with Comunism, most notably the Comunists who were as happy to include all the left leaning governments of the world into their 'struggle' as American right wingers were to perpetrate this fallacy. It suited both their interests.

 

 After the end of the cold war there is no excuse for not knowing the difference though. 

[Barothmuk]

North Korea does in fact assign people jobs.

That's a fair enough comment I suppose.

 

As much as I dislike the NK regime and find their entire Juche ideology a crude bastardisation of anything "Socialist" that at best only pays lip service to it; I do find it annoying when leftists try to pass it off as some "right-wing" and/or "fascist" regime.

 

That said, I still disagree with the idea that any of their modern policies are based off any kind of Socialist ideology and instead are just the desperate scramblings of a tiny, isolated country under siege (see the creation of "Special Economic Zones since the 1990's).

A lot of people have Socialism confused with Comunism, most notably the Comunists who were as happy to include all the left leaning governments of the world into their 'struggle' as American right wingers were to perpetrate this fallacy.

Nope, they eventually promoted non-leftist (and explicitly anti-communist) governments into their sphere as well (e.g. Nasser and Nehru). Edited February 4, 2015 by Barothmuk

[kirottu]

 

TL:DW The "Gamers are dead" articles used a tumblr post as proof of their argument. The tumblr post was made by a person who either didn't read the research or didn't understand it. The sheer level of incompetence is mind boggling.  

Edited February 4, 2015 by kirottu

[Namutree]

 

TL:DW The "Gamers are dead" articles used a tumblr post as proof of their argument. The tumblr post was made by a person who either didn't read the research or didn't understand it. The sheer level of incompetence is mind boggling.  

Sargon of Akkad releases a video every other second.

[Gorgon]

 

North Korea does in fact assign people jobs.

That's a fair enough comment I suppose.

 

As much as I dislike the NK regime and find their entire Juche ideology a crude bastardisation of anything "Socialist" that at best only pays lip service to it; I do find it annoying when leftists try to pass it off as some "right-wing" and/or "fascist" regime.

 

That said, I still disagree with the idea that any of their modern policies are based off any kind of Socialist ideology and instead are just the desperate scramblings of a tiny, isolated country under siege (see the creation of "Special Economic Zones since the 1990's).

A lot of people have Socialism confused with Comunism, most notably the Comunists who were as happy to include all the left leaning governments of the world into their 'struggle' as American right wingers were to perpetrate this fallacy.

Nope, they eventually promoted non-leftist (and explicitly anti-communist) governments into their sphere as well (e.g. Nasser and Nehru).

 

That's not really relevant at all. Relations with other countries are guided by practicality, not ideology. I was talking about political discourse and a common misunderstanding about what the word 'Socialist' actually means, besides being a republican expletive. 

 

Anyway we're getting off topic. 

[Meshugger]

[Meshugger]

 

TL:DW The "Gamers are dead" articles used a tumblr post as proof of their argument. The tumblr post was made by a person who either didn't read the research or didn't understand it. The sheer level of incompetence is mind boggling.  

 

Isn't Dan Golding the same guy who downloaded CP from 8chan and posted them on Twitter just to prove a point? But yeah, they have no ground to stand on, they have nothing but their own precious narrative.

 

Btw, guess who was awarded with the "Humanist of the year (2014)" at Harvard: https://archive.today/N9S73

Edited February 4, 2015 by Meshugger

[Fighter]

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://techraptor.net/content/relationships-indie-gaming-interview-allistair-pinsof-part-2

 

 

My opinion of Fish is even lower.

[Meshugger]

http://techraptor.net/content/relationships-indie-gaming-interview-allistair-pinsof-part-2

 

 

My opinion of Fish is even lower.

 

May IGF burn to the ground.