Magnificate Posted January 15, 2015 Posted January 15, 2015 I've seen some dialogues in the most recent Twitch stream and saw enotikons being used. Why? What're they supposed to denote?
MasterPrudent Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 If you're talking about the lines that connect some letters like so: then they are typographic ligatures and they're there to make the writing look old tymey and cool. You can read more about them here: http://opentype.info/blog/2012/11/20/whats-a-ligature/ They can be turned off in the options menu if you'd rather play without them. 3
Magnificate Posted January 16, 2015 Author Posted January 16, 2015 (edited) So, it's just about looking cool? That explains why I couldn't hear a difference between " s⁀t " and normal " st " and why those enotikons appeared in both the descriptive text and actual dialogue. I assumed that since one of the designers is focused on culture, then ⁀ meant something. Edited January 16, 2015 by Magnificate
h3st Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Yep. The st and ct ligatures aren't much used in modern typography (I've got a newspaper that does it in its weekend extras), but fi, ffi, fl are pretty common, and fj and ij in certain languages or fonts. If you take a look at this article promoting LaTeΧ, you'll see it compares MS Word's inadequate handling of ligatures: to how Latex does it: and it includes images of other, optional ligatures, like ct and st: The thing with ligatures is in the way printing used to be done, with metal blocks, a ligature would be a single block rather than two separate character blocks: So it both looks good, and lets you use fewer metal blocks when printing common character combinations, i.e. if you didn't have any fi ligatures you'd have to have more f and i blocks to compensate, or possibly do something else, more complicated, to get all the letters onto the page. Next up in the history of printing: Why do we use the terms "lower case" and "UPPER CASE"? Were the upper-case letters stored in a case above the lower case ones? 10 Fnord.
BrainMuncher Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Next up in the history of printing: Why do we use the terms "lower case" and "UPPER CASE"? Were the upper-case letters stored in a case above the lower case ones? I would have guessed that upper and lower case existed before printing, is that not true?
Bester Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 So it both looks good, Doesn't. Thank god there's a way to turn them off. IE Mod for Pillars of Eternity: link
Osvir Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 First impression: "What the hell is that!? Why is it in there? There it is again! What is that!? Odd!"(reads this thread)Well... that's... actually p. cool never seen it/known it before.I thought it was a bug xD
Sonntam Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Yeah, that bothered me too. Especially with all those accents over names, I just have trouble imagining how all that sounds.
BlueLion Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 I like it. Suits the medieval periodisation.
rjshae Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Make that mediævil... "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats."
h3st Posted January 16, 2015 Posted January 16, 2015 Next up in the history of printing: Why do we use the terms "lower case" and "UPPER CASE"? Were the upper-case letters stored in a case above the lower case ones?I would have guessed that upper and lower case existed before printing, is that not true? Sort of! While miniscules were invented before printing, I doubt the terms based on the word "case" saw much use before Gutenberg. So it both looks good,Doesn't. Thank god there's a way to turn them off. De gustibus non disputandum est. B-) 1 Fnord.
Karkarov Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Yeah some ligatures like the fi are cool and look nice. The ct, not so much. If they didn't go all out with them I would be okay with it but ligatures are not a medieval thing, don't really fit thematically if you ask me, and look bad in a digital format. I will be turning them off k thanx bai.
Lephys Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 Next up in the history of printing: Why do we use the terms "lower case" and "UPPER CASE"? Were the upper-case letters stored in a case above the lower case ones? I think that might actually have been the... case. 6_u 5 Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u
Rostere Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I think they add a neat touch 1 "Well, overkill is my middle name. And my last name. And all of my other names as well!"
h3st Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 ligatures are not a medieval thing, don't really fit thematically Well no, they didn't have printing presses yet. They did have books and manuscripts, and if you think stuff like a ct ligature adds unnecessary flourishes and break immersion, I can only assume you would prefer for the text interface to more resemble this: which we can all see is very spartan and has no decorative frills. :^) 6 Fnord.
illathid Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 ligatures are not a medieval thing, don't really fit thematically if you ask me Well PoE isn't really a medieval setting, it's a renaissance setting. So I don't see the problem. 1 "Wizards do not need to be The Dudes Who Can AoE Nuke You and Gish and Take as Many Hits as a Fighter and Make all Skills Irrelevant Because Magic." -Josh Sawyer
Elerond Posted January 17, 2015 Posted January 17, 2015 I don't mind ligatures in PoE, but I found decision to use them bit hilarious considering that in world of PoE printing press has not yet be invented (if it ever will) and this was one of the description points that Obsidian gave us during kickstarter. 6
Ieo Posted January 18, 2015 Posted January 18, 2015 Just came by to say this is the best thread title ever. Compelled me to click, that's for sure. The KS Collector's Edition does not include the Collector's Book. Which game hook brought you to Project Eternity and interests you the most? PE will not have co-op/multiplayer, console, or tablet support (sources): [0] [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] Write your own romance mods because there won't be any in PE. "But what is an evil? Is it like water or like a hedgehog or night or lumpy?" -(Digger) "Most o' you wanderers are but a quarter moon away from lunacy at the best o' times." -Alvanhendar (Baldur's Gate 1)
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