Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[500MetricTonnes]

":Glad to see GamerGate has completely abandoned all pretence of being about ethics in journalism and revealed itself to be little more than reactionary whining about "feminists," "SJWs," and "progressives." But hey, thanks to them, relative nobodies like Sarkeesian, Quinn, and Wu are now getting far more exposure than they would have otherwise. Good job, GG."

 

That's because feminists are evil and hate women and men. They slutshame women. they try to get women fired soemtimes even succeeding. They try to murder women. They talk about raping women like its their duty.

\

And, we haven't even discussed their opinion of racial minorities. *shudder*

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

 

Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males.

 

"I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

[Amentep]

 

 

 

 

Funny enough I can understand why people would object to certain changes like a female Thor. Thor is an iconic character that many of us grew up on so its quite reasonable for someone to feel uncomfortable about something we identify with

 

Why not create a new female character similar to Thor instead of changing the original?

 

And before someone points it out .." no this isn't the same as a suggestion that people who want more inclusivity in games should create there own games"

There actually no lore issues with female Thor in the Marvel Universe. Mjolnir has the specific legend of "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." Semantic argument over the lack of gender neutral pronouns in the English language aside, the intent was, and always has been, that whoever was deemed worthy by the enchantment could hold the hammer and be Thor. Hence Beta Ray Bill.

 

Is Thor a title? I thought it was the guy's name.

 

Thor Odinson is the son of Odin. Named Thor.

 

The Hammer Mjolnir has an enchantment that only the people worthy of it can pick it up. And in so doing, they are granted the power of Thor. Back when the title started, Odin had punished Thor by making him human and exiling him to earth (where he had the alias of Dr. Don Blake) and if he proved himself worthy he could unlock his Thor powers. Which he did, regaining powers and memory, but the enchantment to Mjolnir remains.

 

So its a desert topping and a floorwax. I mean its a name and a title.

 

Thor Odinson is Thor whether he has his hammer or not, but anyone who has his hammer and can pick it up ("worthy") is also Thor. So Beta Ray Bill was Thor until Thor took his hammer back and Odin had a similar hammer made for Bill that gave him Thorish powers.

 

Which brings us to our mystery woman who picked up the hammer and has become Thor in the current title after Thor Odinson became unworthy and unable to pick it up again.

 

The only other person besides Thor to go by Thor while wielding Mjolnir was Eric Masterson, and it was because Thor was bound inside his body, and when Thor was split from him and banished, he just kept up the illusion that he was still Thor, only revealing he wasnt to Captain America. Beta Ray Bill was still Beta Ray Bill, Steve Rogers was still Steve Rogers. Having Thor's powers doesn't make you Thor.

 

It doesn't necessarily make you Thor - except when it does.

 

BRB had all the powers of Thor and could have easily went by Thor if he wanted to.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

https://medium.com/@codeGrit/we-might-be-witnessing-the-birth-of-an-identity-6fa28a397e94

 

Some anon stroking the feelz.

 

 

 

":Glad to see GamerGate has completely abandoned all pretence of being about ethics in journalism and revealed itself to be little more than reactionary whining about "feminists," "SJWs," and "progressives." But hey, thanks to them, relative nobodies like Sarkeesian, Quinn, and Wu are now getting far more exposure than they would have otherwise. Good job, GG."

 

That's because feminists are evil and hate women and men. They slutshame women. they try to get women fired soemtimes even succeeding. They try to murder women. They talk about raping women like its their duty.

\

And, we haven't even discussed their opinion of racial minorities. *shudder*

 

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

 

Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males.

 

"I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

No, the Patriarchy is behind fluoridation. It's part of the plan to keep women structurally oppressed by strengthening the teeth of cisgendered males.

[Meshugger]

[Blarghagh]

 

":Glad to see GamerGate has completely abandoned all pretence of being about ethics in journalism and revealed itself to be little more than reactionary whining about "feminists," "SJWs," and "progressives." But hey, thanks to them, relative nobodies like Sarkeesian, Quinn, and Wu are now getting far more exposure than they would have otherwise. Good job, GG."

 

That's because feminists are evil and hate women and men. They slutshame women. they try to get women fired soemtimes even succeeding. They try to murder women. They talk about raping women like its their duty.

\

And, we haven't even discussed their opinion of racial minorities. *shudder*

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

 

Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males.

 

"I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

 

 

You don't have a lot of posts, so I assume you don't know Volourn. Meet Volourn, a master of hyperbole, trolling and generally rubbing people the wrong way. He's not so bad once you get to know him.

[Volourn]

The best part is 'trolling' via posting the truth.

[Orogun01]

 

 

 

 

 

Funny enough I can understand why people would object to certain changes like a female Thor. Thor is an iconic character that many of us grew up on so its quite reasonable for someone to feel uncomfortable about something we identify with

 

Why not create a new female character similar to Thor instead of changing the original?

 

And before someone points it out .." no this isn't the same as a suggestion that people who want more inclusivity in games should create there own games"

There actually no lore issues with female Thor in the Marvel Universe. Mjolnir has the specific legend of "Whosoever holds this hammer, if he be worthy, shall possess the power of Thor." Semantic argument over the lack of gender neutral pronouns in the English language aside, the intent was, and always has been, that whoever was deemed worthy by the enchantment could hold the hammer and be Thor. Hence Beta Ray Bill.

 

Is Thor a title? I thought it was the guy's name.

 

Thor Odinson is the son of Odin. Named Thor.

 

The Hammer Mjolnir has an enchantment that only the people worthy of it can pick it up. And in so doing, they are granted the power of Thor. Back when the title started, Odin had punished Thor by making him human and exiling him to earth (where he had the alias of Dr. Don Blake) and if he proved himself worthy he could unlock his Thor powers. Which he did, regaining powers and memory, but the enchantment to Mjolnir remains.

 

So its a desert topping and a floorwax. I mean its a name and a title.

 

Thor Odinson is Thor whether he has his hammer or not, but anyone who has his hammer and can pick it up ("worthy") is also Thor. So Beta Ray Bill was Thor until Thor took his hammer back and Odin had a similar hammer made for Bill that gave him Thorish powers.

 

Which brings us to our mystery woman who picked up the hammer and has become Thor in the current title after Thor Odinson became unworthy and unable to pick it up again.

 

The only other person besides Thor to go by Thor while wielding Mjolnir was Eric Masterson, and it was because Thor was bound inside his body, and when Thor was split from him and banished, he just kept up the illusion that he was still Thor, only revealing he wasnt to Captain America. Beta Ray Bill was still Beta Ray Bill, Steve Rogers was still Steve Rogers. Having Thor's powers doesn't make you Thor.

 

It doesn't necessarily make you Thor - except when it does.

 

BRB had all the powers of Thor and could have easily went by Thor if he wanted to.

 

The realist in me thinks that it was because Thor is a known brand which if gender bent would cause outcry (as it did) and bring attention to the comic. Marvel has been relying on shock tactics for a while know regarding changes with their character, just like with the "Superior" Spider Man.

 

Yet the conspiracy lunatic in me thinks that it is an attempt by the Jewish media to undermine the symbol of white nordic masculinity while they turn women more violent and men into wusses by putting Thor on the hands of SJWs. The passing of Thor hammer is a sign of the end of men...or I could be overreacting but my conspiracy sense is tingling.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

The realist makes more sense. Marvel's modus operandi for the past 5 years is to boost sales temporarily by hype until the next EVERYTHING CHANGES event when it gets relaunched. Gender swapping Thor, making Falcon Cap, and turning Iron Man into Steve Jobs is all part of that. No conspiracy, just business tactics to milk customers.

[Keyrock]

They can do whatever they want with Thor just as long as they don't take my Hiddleston away.  Thor could be a double amputee, hermaphrodite from Tanzania, for all I care.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

They can do whatever they want with Thor just as long as they don't take my Hiddleston away.  Thor could be a double amputee, hermaphrodite from Tanzania, for all I care.

Loki's been retconned into a kid, so expect to see him replaced by a cheap child actor.

[Orogun01]

 

They can do whatever they want with Thor just as long as they don't take my Hiddleston away.  Thor could be a double amputee, hermaphrodite from Tanzania, for all I care.

Loki's been retconned into a kid, so expect to see him replaced by a cheap child actor.

 

Actually, he's on his teens but [spoiler alert] his old self also exists and he will eventually be turned into him(or was, its been a while since I gave a damn about comics).

 

How is this journalism btw?

[ManifestedISO]

A comics discussion, finally something meaningful. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

They can do whatever they want with Thor just as long as they don't take my Hiddleston away.  Thor could be a double amputee, hermaphrodite from Tanzania, for all I care.

Loki's been retconned into a kid, so expect to see him replaced by a cheap child actor.

 

Actually, he's on his teens but [spoiler alert] his old self also exists and he will eventually be turned into him(or was, its been a while since I gave a damn about comics).

 

How is this journalism btw?

 

It's been a slow month. We've found plenty of cases of unethical behavior and the FTC should be dropping the glorious hammer down on affiliate links soon.

[Lexx]

O hi I haven't posted in this new thread yet that already reached 11 pages again.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

O hi I haven't posted in this new thread yet that already reached 11 pages again.

I'll pass you a blunt.

[BruceVC]

The best part is 'trolling' via posting the truth.

 

Thats also true, it is possible to tell the truth but to be seen as trolling....and in fact it can be a form of trolling when you tell the truth

 

I sometimes get accused of trolling when all I'm doing is giving a different perspective and people don't like to hear it 

[BruceVC]

 

":Glad to see GamerGate has completely abandoned all pretence of being about ethics in journalism and revealed itself to be little more than reactionary whining about "feminists," "SJWs," and "progressives." But hey, thanks to them, relative nobodies like Sarkeesian, Quinn, and Wu are now getting far more exposure than they would have otherwise. Good job, GG."

 

That's because feminists are evil and hate women and men. They slutshame women. they try to get women fired soemtimes even succeeding. They try to murder women. They talk about raping women like its their duty.

\

And, we haven't even discussed their opinion of racial minorities. *shudder*

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women. It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement that encourages women to leave their husbands, kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism and become lesbians."

 

Spoken by that shining example of humanity, Pat Roberston. Reactionary hysteria is always hilarious, whatever form it takes. I'm personally waiting for the moment when someone claims that water fluoridation is some insidious SJW plot to sterilise straight white males.

 

"I can no longer sit back and allow SJW infiltration, SJW indoctrination, SJW subversion and the international SJW conspiracy to sap and impurify all of our precious bodily fluids!"

 

 

So GG has been established for more or less 6 months, it seems like  a good time to do a summary of where the movement is, what it has accomplished and what the future holds for GG

 

i know many of you guys do spend time following this movement and updating us on developments so lets analyze the state of GG and of course this is subjective..no one is going to hold you to it 

 

• What is current state of GG?
• What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for 
• What are the future objectives of GG?

[ManifestedISO]

The realist makes more sense. Marvel's modus operandi for the past 5 years is to boost sales temporarily by hype until the next EVERYTHING CHANGES event when it gets relaunched. Gender swapping Thor, making Falcon Cap, and turning Iron Man into Steve Jobs is all part of that. No conspiracy, just business tactics to milk customers.

 

Milk me all they want. Pinch me hard. I love Total Douche Tony. Goddess of Thunder can crumple adamantium and vibranium. Matt Murdock can see, now. Where's the harm in that.

[HoonDing]

Is Spider-Man married again?

[Namutree]

 

• What is current state of GG?

 

Some of the internet personalities surrounding it like Internet Aristocrat have left for various reasons. This has left gamergate with a little less energy, but it's still going pretty strong. It just feels it bit weaker than it used to be IMO.

 

 

 

• What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for 

 

A few gaming websites have improved their ethics policies. A couple of small game projects have been funded. Some charities have been funded. The fighting between GG and the media has created a trolls paradise; while GG can't be entirely blamed for this, it is at least partially responsible. 

 

Indirectly, GG has caused the left a lot of problems in the US. It's caused a rift between the libertarian-left and the authoritarian-left that mirrors the rift on the right. This makes a republican victory in 2016 a bit more likely if the republicans run a libertarian-right candidate. 

 

 

• What are the future objectives of GG?

To take down Gawker (I single Gawker out because I feel it's the site GG hates the most. Other sites could get by with ethics revisions, but Gawker won't be forgiven.). 

[BruceVC]

 

 

• What is current state of GG?

 

Some of the internet personalities surrounding it like Internet Aristocrat have left for various reasons. This has left gamergate with a little less energy, but it's still going pretty strong. It just feels it bit weaker than it used to be IMO.

 

 

 

• What changes is GG directly or indirectly responsible for 

 

A few gaming websites have improved their ethics policies. A couple of small game projects have been funded. Some charities have been funded. The fighting between GG and the media has created a trolls paradise; while GG can't be entirely blamed for this, it is at least partially responsible. 

 

Indirectly, GG has caused the left a lot of problems in the US. It's caused a rift between the libertarian-left and the authoritarian-left that mirrors the rift on the right. This makes a republican victory in 2016 a bit more likely if the republicans run a libertarian-right candidate. 

 

 

• What are the future objectives of GG?

To take down Gawker (I single Gawker out because I feel it's the site GG hates the most. Other sites could get by with ethics revisions, but Gawker won't be forgiven.). 

 

 

That is very interesting feedback, thanks for sharing

 

I am particularly interested in the political dichotomy GG may have contributed towards. You mention "  It's caused a rift between the libertarian-left and the authoritarian-left that mirrors the rift on the right"

 

Can you explain this further? 

[Meshugger]

What Namutree is probably referring to is to the rift that Ron Paul caused for the Republican party. Suddenly, there was a huge group of conservatives that were socially liberal and very anti-authoritarian which caused a great rift in the party, as the ideological foundation was no longer solid. This is not the first time either, check wikipedia on Barry Goldwater back in the 60's.

 

Similarly, the same thing has happened with GG and the journalists(the SJW ones) since the majority of these people consider themselves left on the political spectrum. One side wants more creative freedom, the other side wants to control it in the name of....the 'ism' of the day.

 

Speaking of which, time to spread some words of wisdom by Barry:

 

[HoonDing]

I hear he was even worse at poker than Goldfinger.

[Meshugger]

Defending liberty requires rectitude and honesty. Something which is never good when playing poker....or playing harassment victim with a successful patreon account.

[Orogun01]

Defending liberty requires rectitude and honesty. Something which is never good when playing poker....or playing harassment victim with a successful patreon account.

Speaking of which, I found out that story about Washington and the cherry tree was a lie. He probably blamed it on a slave or something.