The collapse of the western civilization, part 2

[Wrath of Dagon]

Well, the article isn't really about that, but I think gives some insight into the dangers of "Do what thou wilt" culture. http://www.nytimes.com/2014/12/16/science/a-meditation-on-the-art-of-not-trying.html?src=me&_r=2

 

Unable to rely on the bonds of kinship, the first urban settlements survived by developing shared values, typically through religion, that enabled people to trust one another’s virtue and to cooperate for the common good.

[Luridis]

Just be yourself.

 

The advice is as maddening as it is inescapable. It’s the default prescription for any tense situation: a blind date, a speech, a job interview, the first dinner with the potential in-laws. Relax. Act natural. Just be yourself. But when you’re nervous, how can you be yourself? How you can force yourself to relax? How can you try not to try?

 

I see that article as over-analysis. Being "nervous" is not a natural state, and you cannot force yourself to relax. If you're nervous then you're experiencing irrational fear. i.e. Fear of things you can't know and/or control: they won't like me, won't hire me, she won't be interested, etc. unless I am like X. So, there's the disconnect between who you are and who you think they want to be, hire, date, etc. Root cause = Suffering as the need for control and/or approval.

Edited December 17, 2014 by Luridis

[aluminiumtrioxid]

What a horribly shallow article. Still, I've gotta admire the impressive mental gymnastics that's necessary to see "this is the cause behind the collapse of western civilisation!" into it.

[Wrath of Dagon]

If the article is too shallow for you, though I thought it had interesting and important things to say about common culture, here's another one : http://deshcalling.blogspot.com/2013/01/spenglers-ominous-prophecy.html

[Hurlshort]

I'll believe it when the Visigoths come knocking on my door.  

[Wrath of Dagon]

IS is going to come knocking at your door.

[Hurlshort]

IS is going to come knocking at your door.

 

According to you, they already moved in next door and built a nice shiny mosque.  

[kgambit]

I'll believe it when the Visigoths come knocking on my door.  

 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

[Woldan]

IS is going to come knocking at your door.

I'll knock back.

[Luridis]

History: Societies and empires rise, and later they decline.

 

Nut: But it's being caused by the cornbread wendigos!

 

History: Attacking the cause is irrelevant if the result is inevitable.

 

Nut: Secular Pyramid Donkeys!

 

History: Malevolent Dictator Seeks Fertile Soil.

[Walsingham]

The Visigoths burned Rome, but does anyone here actually think Roman civilisation stopped at that point?

[obyknven]

The Visigoths burned Rome, but does anyone here actually think Roman civilisation stopped at that point?

K.O. detected. But you can be sure - Roman civilization really stopped in Europe. 

[Walsingham]

Quiet, you. The Russes got Byzantium's leftovers.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

IS is going to come knocking at your door.

 

According to you, they already moved in next door and built a nice shiny mosque.  

 

Yes they did. You can bury you head in the sand all you want.

[Hurlshort]

 

 

IS is going to come knocking at your door.

 

According to you, they already moved in next door and built a nice shiny mosque.  

 

Yes they did. You can bury you head in the sand all you want.

 

 

Xenophobia at its finest.  

[Wrath of Dagon]

It's all the commies' fault: http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=260

 

[Darkpriest]

well i did not read the article, BUT it is already visible in western EU, the most "tolerant" and wealthy at the same parts, that the immigrants from middle east and africa have around 4-7 kids per family while the native eu families have 0-2. There are already regions where so called minorities are actually majorities and they do want to import their cultural laws and bestow them on the others in the regions where they are majorities. There were some funny articles from 2012 about a part of Denmark. I could not find a reliable English one, and I can't translate myself. Maybe some ppl here can tell more about it?

 

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2012/11/07/042932.htm?app

 

To be honest, i think we moved a bit too far in tolerance. Tolerance should be a two way street, not a one way abusive way of getting privileges, while in the country of origins your kinsmen are despising foreigners and their culture and individual spiritual/religious beliefs.

Edited January 4, 2015 by Darkpriest

[Walsingham]

I am wary of any argument about 'foreigners' but I consider it transparent idiocy to assert that one can have a principle that negates itself.

 

Tolerance of intolerance cannot be sustainable. Interesting, even saintly, but ludicrous. Like giving away all one's possessions.

[Meshugger]

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

[BruceVC]

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western civilisations are primarily your Western countries that follow ideologies like democratic elections, respect for human rights  and Capitalism.

 

Western countries are superior to other countries because they offer their citizens the best quality of life and opportunities to achieve economic succcess

 

We dont want it ever to collapse because of all terrible alternatives that exist like how Russia and some places in the Middle East are governed 

 

But if you seriously wanted it to collapse you would have to bankrupt the Western banking systems to highlight how the system is fundamentally flawed..but of course this would lead to a collapse of the worlds banking system. But the result of this would be an irrevocable change of belief and loss of confidence  in Western ideology and many  people would look elsewhere for ways to govern there countries 

[obyknven]

 

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western civilisations are primarily your Western countries that follow ideologies like democratic elections, respect for human rights  and Capitalism.

 

We dont want it ever to collapse because of all terrible alternatives that exist like how Russia and some places in the Middle East are governed 

Rofl, this guy don't known about win of Capitalism in Entire World.  Alternatives lol.

[Zoraptor]

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Discuss!!

 

Fun semi fact of the day

 

It would be a very good idea

Unfortunately it seems this quote is apocryphal and it is likely Mohandas never actually said this.

[Rostere]

well i did not read the article, BUT it is already visible in western EU, the most "tolerant" and wealthy at the same parts, that the immigrants from middle east and africa have around 4-7 kids per family while the native eu families have 0-2. There are already regions where so called minorities are actually majorities and they do want to import their cultural laws and bestow them on the others in the regions where they are majorities. There were some funny articles from 2012 about a part of Denmark. I could not find a reliable English one, and I can't translate myself. Maybe some ppl here can tell more about it?

 

http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2012/11/07/042932.htm?app

 

To be honest, i think we moved a bit too far in tolerance. Tolerance should be a two way street, not a one way abusive way of getting privileges, while in the country of origins your kinsmen are despising foreigners and their culture and individual spiritual/religious beliefs.

 

The democratically elected leadership of a housing cooperative decides to put money on an Eid al-Fitr party, but will not buy a Christmas tree.

 

You can think it's stupid if you want, but really - if you don't want it, then move. It's not worse than stupid housing cooperatives paying for unserious plumbers.

[Mr. Magniloquent]

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western civilisations are primarily your Western countries that follow ideologies like democratic elections

 

Hahahahaha! Every season the plebs are forced to choose between Statist A or Statist B. If you're in a parlimentary system, you might occasionally get Statist C. Nothing more satisfying than lending legitimacy to a false choice.

 

 

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western civilisations are primarily your Western countries that follow ideologies like democratic elections, respect for human rights 

 

Hahahahaha! Every State reserves the right to rob you and either throw you in a cage or kill you should you refuse to comply. The US government even reserves itself the authority to murder anyone on the planet at any time for secret reasons based on secret interpretations of unspecified laws. The British routinely throw children in a cage for thought crimes on social media. Many examples of other violations abound. Just because women aren't forced to wear burkhas does not make "The West" respectful of human rights.

 

 

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western civilisations are primarily your Western countries that follow ideologies like democratic elections, respect for human rights  and Capitalism.

 

Bwahahahahahaha! EVERYTHING in The West is regulated and taxed. If it's not, then it's illegal and they will kill you over it should they find the need to. Who can make what, where, how, and sometimes even how many is ruled over. Even the who, what, when where, how, and even why are regulated when it comes to sale. This applies to everything from bubble gum to mammogram machines.

 

Hay guise, what exactly is western civilization? How do you define it? What would make it better? What would make it collpse?

 

Western countries are superior to other countries because they offer their citizens the best quality of life and opportunities to achieve economic succcess

 

We dont want it ever to collapse because of all terrible alternatives that exist like how Russia and some places in the Middle East are governed

 

After a certain point, it's hard to even cynically laugh. Russia & the Middle East are just slight more progressed forms of Neofeudalism. Russia actually has significantly less regulation and taxes, but corruption is open. The Middle East even more so. The main difference is that in The West corruption is codified by law, and shake-downs are done "for the good of the people".

 

 

But if you seriously wanted it to collapse you would have to bankrupt the Western banking systems to highlight how the system is fundamentally flawed..but of course this would lead to a collapse of the worlds banking system. But the result of this would be an irrevocable change of belief and loss of confidence  in Western ideology and many  people would look elsewhere for ways to govern there countries.

 

Which would not be difficult to do. Why do you think Ghaddafi is dead or Saddam Hussein? Gold. Oil for gold. That would crush the entire petrodollar system. That's why Iran is where all warpaths of the USA lead to. Any triggers of the Credit Default Swap system would cause every bank in the entire world to become insolvent overnight as well. They have hundreds of trillions in derivative liabilities, which is banking code for gambling on insurance policies for worthless collateral that you are not party to. The USA government and many of its lackey states in Europe would see the world bathed in nuclear ashes before allowing that to happen though. That's what this whole business about Syria, Russia, and Iran is about.