Journalism and sexism in the games industry

[Namutree]

 

 

Here's a pretty good summary.

Not really. Even if you're pro-gamergate you could get the rape/death threats, and doxxed. It seems being a public figure in this issue at all can get you doxxed/threatened. Most of the trolls are third party and simply have nothing to do with either side.

 

 

It's a joke article, from an offshoot of The Onion.

 

Hard to tell what's a joke with media nowadays.

[kirottu]

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button? 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button?

Check your Privilege mode: the game plays itself while you watch.

[kirottu]

Ah, that makes perfect sense.

[TrashMan]

I'm tired of this "games are super-horribly sexist" BS.

Sexist is used a buzzword, nothing more. It has lost all meaning.

 

And frankly I don't care anymore. Game is sexist? Good. Let it be.

I don't care if a game has women in bikinis or guys in speedos.

After all, what about p0rn? Shall we ban p0rn completely?

Because the feminists and SJW's will always find something to complain and forget the most basic collary of capitalism: vote with your vallet.

 

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Buy and play other games. There's more than enough out there.

 

But noooo.. the very existence of some games is like an insult to them. Actually, the idea that there are people who play them is probably an insult to them.

I for one plan to keep insulting them.

[Oerwinde]

https://archive.today/TYVSW

 

 

Guys video games are going to cease to exist because we refuse to read opinionated articles about them.

 

What I got out of this: Let the crappy artsy games happen, it will end up like every other creative industry. The Gone Homes will come out, the critics will talk about how amazing and important and fantastic it is, and no one will play it because its not fun. Meanwhile Call of Duty and Assassins Creed and such will make millions because they are entertaining and thats what 99% of people play games for. Like how every year there are 5 movies nominated for best picture at the Oscars, but no one saw 4 of them, and nothing in the top 10 highest grossing movies of the year were even nominated.

[BruceVC]

I'm tired of this "games are super-horribly sexist" BS.

Sexist is used a buzzword, nothing more. It has lost all meaning.

 

And frankly I don't care anymore. Game is sexist? Good. Let it be.

I don't care if a game has women in bikinis or guys in speedos.

After all, what about p0rn? Shall we ban p0rn completely?

Because the feminists and SJW's will always find something to complain and forget the most basic collary of capitalism: vote with your vallet.

 

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Buy and play other games. There's more than enough out there.

 

But noooo.. the very existence of some games is like an insult to them. Actually, the idea that there are people who play them is probably an insult to them.

I for one plan to keep insulting them.

 

Have you ever cared that games may be sexist? I can't recall you ever being concerned about this in games, maybe you can remind me of times where you have raised this  where " game x" was objectifying women or showing them in a way that was demeaning.

 

But anyway its fine if you don't care about sexism in games. The  gaming industry, meaning publishers and many developers ,cares and that's all that matters

[JadedWolf]

 

vote with your vallet.

 

TrashMan, are you by chance from Transylvania?

[TrashMan]

 

I'm tired of this "games are super-horribly sexist" BS.

Sexist is used a buzzword, nothing more. It has lost all meaning.

 

And frankly I don't care anymore. Game is sexist? Good. Let it be.

I don't care if a game has women in bikinis or guys in speedos.

After all, what about p0rn? Shall we ban p0rn completely?

Because the feminists and SJW's will always find something to complain and forget the most basic collary of capitalism: vote with your vallet.

 

Don't like it? Don't buy it. Buy and play other games. There's more than enough out there.

 

But noooo.. the very existence of some games is like an insult to them. Actually, the idea that there are people who play them is probably an insult to them.

I for one plan to keep insulting them.

 

Have you ever cared that games may be sexist? I can't recall you ever being concerned about this in games, maybe you can remind me of times where you have raised this  where " game x" was objectifying women or showing them in a way that was demeaning.

 

But anyway its fine if you don't care about sexism in games. The  gaming industry, meaning publishers and many developers ,cares and that's all that matters

 

 

Not really.

I told you before - sexist is a loaded buzzword. As are many other words used to stir up contraversy or shock, to convince people that they SHOULD be outraged.

 

I'm not concerned about it because I'm not a social engineer trying to force the world into my thinking patters.

"Objectifying women"? HA! What does that even mean anymore? Everything is more or less objectified. Men characters as much as women characters.

Demeaning? What is demeaning depends on who you ask and "showing someone in a way I don't like" is not evil/wrong.

Do you remember those interviews with some p0rn stars who said that this social outrage is making life from them more difficult? The very SJW's who "fight for women" are demeaning women right there and then.

 

 

If I see something truly demeaning of women or truly sexist, I avoid that game. I don't like pointless tantalization, nudity or "weak women characters"*, but to these crusaders ANY depiction or instance of a woman that isn't their ideal is basically an attack.

But most complaints raised are IMO just a bunch of hot gas.

 

 

What I don't want to see is a "this is how you must make a game/write a book" manifesto that tries to force-feed me any social or moralistic norms. I want total freedom of creation in the industry.

 

Those who truly respect women should stop treating them as delicate flowers who need constant defense and whos' tender sensibilities must never be offended. Women are stronger both mentally and phisically than so many give them credit for.

 

 

 

* what exactly makes a strong woman character is open to debate.

[Malcador]

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button?

Nothing like dimestore psychology to fit in well on Twitter.

[Nonek]

 

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button?

Nothing like dimestore psychology to fit in well on Twitter.

 

 

A dime? I'd ask for at least ninepence back!

 

But seriously this is the idiotic criticism that we're supposed to just accept without any reservations and not call out on its inherent stupidity? I'm sorry but this is regressive and degenerative critique, games would be reduced to slideshows if left in the hands of such people, with preaching orchestrated by his evil partner whom has now shown her true colours as an utterly amoral individual, willing to even use childrens deaths to spread her moronic platform.

 

I'm sorry but Gamergate is looking more and more like the only sensible alternative, the SJF's are seemingly imploding from the weight of their own feeblemindedness.

 

Edit: One has to wonder why this Mr McIntosh's carer allows him access to the internet?

Edited October 27, 2014 by Nonek

[BruceVC]

 

 

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button?

Nothing like dimestore psychology to fit in well on Twitter.

 

 

 " but Gamergate is looking more and more like the only sensible alternative "

 

 

Imagine a world where  that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

[Fighter]

We can do twitter psychology too. The levels of projection with these people are sky rocketing:

 

- They totally are about control. They don't want diversity. They want the media to conform to their standard and they want to control what others are allowed to have and to like. They lash out when they can't control you to behave. Hence the perpetual outrage at Bayonetta, GTA, Assassin's Creed, etc.

 

- Talk about internalised sexism. That's what he thinks of the fictional fantasies of his fellow men. Playing a sexy chick is all about keeping a woman on a leash and every man except him is such an infantile ape they literally can't contextualize fantasy.

 

 Imagine a world where  that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

 

The "voice of GG" is diverse and among others includes people here. Industry would be fine.

 

But do tell what is it that's so horrible that you think we believe?

Edited October 27, 2014 by Fighter

[Nonek]

 

 

 

 

I wonder... If these SJWs win, will they ban all the playable female characters or will they ban all the men from playing them? Or will there be some sort of "check your privilege" button?

Nothing like dimestore psychology to fit in well on Twitter.

 

 

 " but Gamergate is looking more and more like the only sensible alternative "

 

 

Imagine a world where  that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

 

 

Yes, a myriad under the control of SJF's and mentally compromised individuals like this Mr McIntosh gentleman. Whereas Gamergate asks for devs to do what they do in an unrestricted fashion, and continue improving games rather than asking for them to regress to automated slideshows.

[Malcador]

Imagine a world where  that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

What would change due to it, exactly ?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Imagine a world where that was actually true... a world where GG was the only voice that mattered around the gaming industry. Can you think of any worse future for the gaming industry ?

What would change due to it, exactly ?

Instead of being heckled by liberal arts majors and armchair activists, publishers would be heckled by direct consumers of videogames. Probably little real difference, I doubt EA gives a damn who critiscm is coming from as they'll probably just ignore it anyways. Edited October 27, 2014 by KaineParker

[kirottu]

Comparison of opening paragraphs between wikipedia articles of Hitler and GamerGate. Can you guess which one might have bit of a problem with loaded language?

 

Gamergate (sometimes referred to as the hashtag #GamerGate) is a controversy within video game culture concerning misogynistic attacks on various indie game developers, video game journalists, and other personalities involved with the video game industry. These attacks have included doxxing and death threats that led three women to decide to leave their homes when sent threats that included their addresses. Those that support GamerGate as a consumer movement claim that they are simply concerned with ethical issues in video game journalism, particularly conflicts of interest between journalists and developers, and that those performing the attacks are a minority that do not represent their goals. GamerGate supporters' apparent unwillingness or inability to control the harassers, and the group's focus on independent developers rather than the larger companies, has resulted in a widespread discrediting of its views and aims in mainstream sources. The harassment campaigns against women, combative rhetoric, and criticism of those examining video games from feminist or other minority perspectives has resulted in the movement being widely viewed as fighting a culture war against the increasing diversity of video game culture.

 

Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ]; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP); National Socialist German Workers Party). He was chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 and dictator of Nazi Germany (as Führer und Reichskanzler) from 1934 to 1945. Hitler was at the centre of Nazi Germany, World War II in Europe, and the Holocaust.

Edited October 27, 2014 by kirottu

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Comparison of opening paragraphs between wikipedia articles of Hitler and GamerGate. Can you guess which one might have bit of a problem with loaded language?

 

 

Gamergate (sometimes referred to as the hashtag #GamerGate) is a controversy within video game culture concerning misogynistic attacks on various indie game developers, video game journalists, and other personalities involved with the video game industry. These attacks have included doxxing and death threats that led three women to decide to leave their homes when sent threats that included their addresses. Those that support GamerGate as a consumer movement claim that they are simply concerned with ethical issues in video game journalism, particularly conflicts of interest between journalists and developers, and that those performing the attacks are a minority that do not represent their goals. GamerGate supporters' apparent unwillingness or inability to control the harassers, and the group's focus on independent developers rather than the larger companies, has resulted in a widespread discrediting of its views and aims in mainstream sources. The harassment campaigns against women, combative rhetoric, and criticism of those examining video games from feminist or other minority perspectives has resulted in the movement being widely viewed as fighting a culture war against the increasing diversity of video game culture.

Adolf Hitler (German: [ˈadɔlf ˈhɪtlɐ]; 20 April 1889 – 30 April 1945) was an Austrian-born German politician and the leader of the Nazi Party (German: Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei (NSDAP); National Socialist German Workers Party). He was chancellor of Germany from 1933 to 1945 and dictator of Nazi Germany (as Führer und Reichskanzler) from 1934 to 1945. Hitler was at the centre of Nazi Germany, World War II in Europe, and the Holocaust.

Gamergate is worse than Hitler according to Ian Miles Cheong, but I have the feeling everything will be worse than Hitler in his eyes.

 

I did think about posting this after seeing it on KiA, but was too busy playing videogames and sending that e-mail to IBM.

[TrashMan]

Here, this fanservice is excellent example of mysogony and sexism:

 

 

 

 

 

[Barothmuk]

Instead of being heckled by liberal arts majors and armchair activists, publishers would be heckled by direct consumers of videogames.

Shock but these groups are not mutually exclusive.

 

It's quite amusing when the "Gamer Gate" side shouts rhetoric about representing some mythological "true gamer" who scorns the tyranny of social-justice-warriors and feminism.

 

But you know "ethics in game journalism" or whatever.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Barothmuk

[Blarghagh]

I'm not sure where he said any of that. The only thing his claim comes down to is that those guys won't carry more weight than any other consumer.

[Longknife]

 

Instead of being heckled by liberal arts majors and armchair activists, publishers would be heckled by direct consumers of videogames.

Shock but these groups are not mutually exclusive.

 

It's quite amusing that the "Gamer Gate" side believes itself to be representing some mythological "true gamer" who scorns the tyranny of social-justice and feminism.

 

But you know "ethics in game journalism" or whatever.

 

 

 

 

Now who said GamerGate represents "true gamers?" Can you quote that?

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a gamer who enjoys the same games SJWs enjoy and want to see made. If the majority of the market wishes to see such games, then it will be so.

 

  There is something incredibly entitled though about wishing to go against the natural order of the free market and influence things to try and make one niche group of games gain popularity and influence, as well as the amount of devs interested in making such games. This is exactly what's being attempted by the feminists in this conflict, and let's of course not forget that the feminist-gamer conflict is nothing compared to the journalist-reader conflict, where journalists basically just want to be able to take bribes and boss us around and write whatever they want and still get paid.

 

The free market functions much like Darwin's rules of natural selection. It's natural and occurs whether you like it or not, and nothing can be done about it. Trying to go against the "will" of natural selection or the free market is absolute nonsense, and this is exactly what's going on here. Mark my words, this is a clear and easy victory for GamerGate, it's just slightly hard to tell by the staggeringly high volume of propaganda they're slinging about.

 

Still, all this amounts to is....it's as if the media were to claim Argentina won the World cup and almost every news outlet on earth seems to be congratulating Argentina, but we all watched the game and we all saw Germany win it. They can confuse and lie all they like, but even if they succeeded in tricking everyone into believing Argentina won, Germany still physically holds the prize. They cannot change the truth.

   Here, with GamerGate, they're trying to change the truth that the gaming media is corrupt and that the market as a collective is sick of "sexist" concepts like how Bayonetta looks. But regardless of what they say and regardless of how many non-gamers they convince of this, gamers are STILL boycotting those websites, advertisers are still abandoning ship and Bayonetta is still selling quite well. It doesn't matter how many journalists, school teachers or doctors they convince they are right, it matters what the gamers - the consumers - actually collectively think and what their collective opinion amounts to. The SJW and journalist side of things...They'll scream and scream and scream about how they're right until they lack the funds to broadcast their lies anymore, whereas developers for games like Bayonetta will find their pockets quite full. That's simply reality. That's not propaganda, that's not a bias spin on the story, that's reality. They're going to lose this battle for the simple fact the free market is rigged against them; we are their lifeline in that we put food on their table by being their consumers, and we lost all interest in doing so. Meanwhile they lack any means with which to retaliate and do the same to us. It's an army with a full stomache at all times vs. a starving one. It was over before it started, no matter how loud and convincing the starving army may seem.

[Barothmuk]

I'm not sure where he said any of that. The only thing his claim comes down to is that those guys won't carry more weight than any other consumer.

"Instead of being heckled by liberal arts majors and armchair activists, publishers would be heckled by direct consumers of videogames."

 

The poster may back-peddle from this point but the content points directly to idea that the armchair SJWs are somehow not "direct consumers of videogames".

 

There's absolutely nothing wrong with a gamer who enjoys the same games SJWs enjoy and want to see made. If the majority of the market wishes to see such games, then it will be so.

 

There is something incredibly entitled though about wishing to go against the natural order of the free market.

Lol.

 

Ah yes, the glorious freedom of the free-market wherein content and ideas can be freely exchanged but don't you dare critique existing products, organize with others and in any way try to influence the mystical sagely wisdom of the market.

 

You guys are so transparent.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Barothmuk

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I'm not sure where he said any of that. The only thing his claim comes down to is that those guys won't carry more weight than any other consumer.

You're right, roach infiltrator from the future. That was the point of the post, anything else taken from it is reading too much into it.

[Longknife]

Lol.

Ah yes, the glorious freedom of the free-market wherein content and ideas can be freely exchanged but don't you dare critique existing products, organize with others and in any way try to influence the mystical sagely wisdom of the market.

 

You guys are so transparent.

 

 

 

 

I'm going to write a book called "Anti-GamerGate: The Strawman Argument" because I'm beginning to believe I could become a millionaire by betting the next word out of an Anti-GG's mouth will be a Strawman.

 

   No one ever said they're not allowed to critique. They can critique all they wish, but what they get paid for critiquing will depend highly on how valuable people find their critique. The fact of the matter is that an overwhelming majority are not in favor of their critiques or find them valuable. Gamers (as a collective) care about gameplay first, storyline second and other little mechanics like controls, graphics and music third. What sites like Polygon offer is critiques that are a distant....well it's difficult to even call it a forth, because morality isn't exactly in high demand for good gameplay.

 

   Take for example that Christian website that has a gameplay rating and a morality rating. Nobody has a problem with them because they clearly seperate the two to say "yes this game is good, but if you're a conservative christian who hates scandidly clad women, don't buy this." What's cool is that theoretically, an Athiest could find use out of their website because an Athiest could ignore the morality ratings entirely and focus on how they rated the gameplay.

     Polygon on the other hand mixes the two and wishes to downscore and upscore games with a decent relation to their subjective moral views. As such, they would essentially be guiding and dictating the moral compass of gamers because they refuse to let us know how much the "morality" of a game played into it's finalized score. We cannot read a review on Bayonetta and say "it got a 7.9 but 2 points were taken off for morality issues, so since I don't care about it this game is near perfect." No, they purposefully keep us in the dark to try and dissuade us from playing games they don't agree with ideologically.

 

 

   All that's asked is transparency, and again a natural occurance of the free market is that the groups that make the critiques most people argee with will win out. Clearly, people don't agree with Polygon so much. But nobody's saying they're not allowed to criticize or voice their views, they're just not allowed to preach theirs as the word of God or mislead us into essentially adopting their ideologies ourselves.

 

 

 

Essentially what's going on is the idealist SJWs are crying that they don't have the adherence and reverence for their opinions that they desire. "Tough ****" is the response.

Edited October 27, 2014 by Longknife