To the Mysoginist Writer in Bioware

[Sofaking]

 

 

So a green bucktooth half-orc

 

 

Now look who's being racist.

LOL.

[Gromnir]

btw, observing that some folks were raised in more homogenized societies does not diminish the breadth or depth o' bester's girlfriend's racist tendencies. if she comes from such a homogenized nation or community, then that enculturation likely explains her racism, but it don't validate or excuse it.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Bester]

>me 3 offers one human female companion.

And only 1 human male companion. Now you get it.

 

>fine, then that again puts thane back into the mix. 

It's an insect NPC, would you sleep with a lizard or a horse if it had an interesting personality?

 

>Anomen

I didn't play ME3. I just asked her and she said her issue with ME3's Anomen is that he's just as generic as BG2's Anomen. That wouldn't be a problem if there were 3 human romanaceable NPCs, but there's just one and he's just a character with no personality, no vices, nothing.

[Gromnir]

>me 3 offers one human female companion.

And only 1 human male companion. Now you get it.

 

>fine, then that again puts thane back into the mix. 

It's an insect NPC, would you sleep with a lizard or a horse if it had an interesting personality?

 

>Anomen

I didn't play ME3. I just asked her and she said her issue with ME3's Anomen is that he's just as generic as BG2's Anomen. That wouldn't be a problem if there were 3 human romanaceable NPCs, but there's just one and he's just a character with no personality, no vices, nothing.

1 romancable human male companion

 

1 romancable human female companion

 

misogyny Not found.

 

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how is this not getting through?  am serious baffled.

 

gotta a problem with thane? Gromnir would not romance any o' the bio companions. use us as measure stick is poor. that being said, faceless hazmat-suit girl with bird legs and the squid headed woman whose eyes go complete black and can mind-fry us seem no less bizarre to us than does the tragic and soulful iguana assassin.  mermaids is 'posed to be attractive and they is having fish parts from waist down. am having no urge to check, but we suspect there is a whole sub-genre o' asian porn based on weird animal-human hybrids. again, Gromnir is quite happy that he don't "get it." regardless, thane is no different than alien female options male players would have available to them if they were actual interested in the bioware romances.

 

as for alenko, smart move on passing the buck, but that don't help much does it? is hardly compelling to note that the wife says alenko and anomen is same in spite o' you earlier having noted flaws in anomen that is not shared by alenko. doesn't matter though as you got bare handful o' possible male romance options... is same for female. limited for same = no mysoginy. as a bio writer, chances are you is gonna need cover the various cliché male romance types. racist girl don't like that alenko were the wrong personality? tough. is not misogyny, is simple math. short o' giving alenko mpd, chances are he weren't gonna be the right fit for a race sensitive homophobe looking for love in a bioware game. garrus mighta been a better personality fit. so mighta' the blue thing. dunno, Gromnir is wrong one to ask, but fact remains that male players were having same similar issues with their option for a human female companion. 

 

that being said, please recognize the following so we need not repeat yet again:

 

1=1

 

1 human female option = 1 human male option. same exact treatment makes claim o' misogyny difficult to take serious.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps but this is going back to being pure stupid. were funny when bester were trying to explain how unacceptable blackness is acceptable by posting his percentages. we won't be responding unless bester or his girlfriend gives us more such stuff.

Edited July 1, 2014 by Gromnir

[Sofaking]

 

that being said, please recognize the following so we need not repeat yet again:

 

1=1

 

Careful, math this complicated might confuse Bester.

[HoonDing]

I chunked that hippie Elf when he tried to steal my waifu and waifu left me for it. Worst gaem ever never replayed

[Fearabbit]

I'll give her that the numbers support her main argument, which is that there are too few romancable guys in games when compared to romancable women.

 

But yeah, your friend sounds like a racist and a horrible person in general. I mean, she things James Vega is hot? What the hell. (And your whole argument that white women prefer white men kind of rests on the assumption that all women who play this game are white.)

 

Also I hated every romance option in Mass Effect as a man playing a male Shepard. I want a hot black chick! I want a badass Turian! I want a female version of whatever that assassin dude was! :'(

(Well no, actually I don't care about romance, but the point is that women at least had a much broader spectrum to work with.)

[Prince of Wales]

Straight male developers cater to the interests and preferences of the straight male demographic?

 

I'm in shock. Shocked, I tell you. Shocked because, well...

 

How is that suggestive of hatred of women, precisely?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

0/10.

 

You should probably try a new shtick.

[AGX-17]

[Bester]

So, let's recapitulate...

 

> girl doesn't want to sleep with a black dude in a video game

> racist and a horrible person in general

> racist girl

> racist piece of ****

 

> girl doesn't want to sleep with a bisexual in a video game

> racist homophobic

> so, racist and homophobic

> massive idiot

 

> moderators do nothing, silently approving everything

 

 

Ok, have fun.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Bester

[Volourn]

Well.. if don't want to sleep with a black dude because he is black.. by the very definition that is racist.

[Azdeus]

So a green bucktooth half-orc is sexy but a BLACK GUY is just unacceptable. I mean, isn't it quite clear your fiend views black people as sub human when a literal half human is viewed as more attractive than THE BLACK GUY.

 

Maybe she's from the deep south?

[Volourn]

Why are you a bigot Azdeus?

[Gromnir]

girl considers it misogynistic that developers only give her a single human option to romance, and that the option in question is a (*shudder*) black man. yeah, that sounds racist... and stupid.

 

girl seems fixated on humans-only romances. fine. is a crpg so more power to her. some thirteen-year-old girls like elf and vampire romances. nevertheless, bio developers give our maturity-challenged girl gamer a human male to romance in me 3. heck, alenko is also white. hooray! unfortunately, because a male shepard playing a complete different iteration o' me 3 can also romance alenko, the racist girl finds the romance unpalatable. alenko is not even demonstrably bisexual in her play of me3, but mere possibility that a male shephard somewheres will romance alenko makes it unworthy o' consideration.  it also, in some as yet inexplicable way, reveals the misogynist leanings of bioware writers.

 

...

 

yeah. 

 

btw, as far as we can tell, at this point all we is talking 'bout is a hypothetical racist and homophobic teenager girl... is kinda a schrödinger's cat thought experiment. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I romanced the dark (Viconia) and white (Jaheira) girls in BG2 so many years ago. I don't discriminate.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Hiro Protagonist II

[tajerio]

To make the Tremendous Troll, mix one part BioWare with two parts romance and one part social justice issues. Add a garnish of racism at your discretion. Serve disgustingly warm and frothy.

Edited July 2, 2014 by tajerio

[BruceVC]

girl considers it misogynistic that developers only give her a single human option to romance, and that the option in question is a (*shudder*) black man. yeah, that sounds racist... and stupid.

 

girl seems fixated on humans-only romances. fine. is a crpg so more power to her. some thirteen-year-old girls like elf and vampire romances. nevertheless, bio developers give our maturity-challenged girl gamer a human male to romance in me 3. heck, alenko is also white. hooray! unfortunately, because a male shepard playing a complete different iteration o' me 3 can also romance alenko, the racist girl finds the romance unpalatable. alenko is not even demonstrably bisexual in her play of me3, but mere possibility that a male shephard somewheres will romance alenko makes it unworthy o' consideration.  it also, in some as yet inexplicable way, reveals the misogynist leanings of bioware writers.

 

...

 

yeah. 

 

btw, as far as we can tell, at this point all we is talking 'bout is a hypothetical racist and homophobic teenager girl... is kinda a schrödinger's cat thought experiment. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

I don't think Bester is trolling, I genuinely think he is trying to make a point buts its a deeply spurious point and makes no sense to me.

 

I think sometimes these  types of discussions are really used in an attempt to highlight something else, in this case its how stupid Romance is and how stupid people who like Romance sound, but who knows with Bester?

 

Anyway I want to ask something else more interesting. Is it really racist if you say "I don't date outside my racial group"?

 

For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie  and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race

 

But in South Africa I have heard several people both black and white on the radio or other mediums say things like " I don't mind other people doing it but I don't date outside my racial group". The common reason they say they won't date across the racial line is because of the cultural differences.

 

In fact in South Africa certain people won't even date outside there religious group. So would this make them racist ?

 

I have dated across the racial line but I have friends who won't, so my question is "is it racist to if you say you won't date outside your group"

[sorophx]

this thread is going places... I assume there are no women in this discussion. in this light it's kind of odd to see some o you try and measure another man's level of attractiveness from a woman's perspective. 

 

and why is liking this Vega dude make her a horrible person?

[Bester]

 

For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie  and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race

 

 

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know.

 

Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Bester

[BruceVC]

 

 

For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie  and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race

 

 

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know.

 

Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10.

 

 

No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person

 

If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you  clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend

 

Also of course you initially have to  be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor?

[Volourn]

Yeah, the argument that physical attraction is evil and wrong is silly and is so against how nature/real world works. In fact, any kind o 'chemistry' you have with someone is based on nature.

 

Whether because you like big b00bies, big mu$cules, or big brains.

[Gromnir]

it is not racist to acknowledge that you prefer a certain aggregate o' physical features in a prospective romantic partner. some may consider that shallow, but is not racist. perhaps you prefer gabrielle union to halle berry? if bester's hypothetical girl had made the observation that the one nwn male romance option for women were ugly, we would chuckled but that woulda' been the end o' it. all the nwn companions looked a bit comical to us. their aesthetic were the result o' a single portrait and a blocky 3d avatar, so they all looked silly. on the other hand, to dismiss the nwn option because he were black is racism. is a kinda and stoopid variety, but is clear racist. 

 

"In fact in South Africa certain people won't even date outside there religious group. So would this make them racist ?"

 

am thinking the proper term is "bigot" not racist. values is acquired and is not a matter o' birth. dismiss the possibility o' dating a crpg gamer or a santerian priest is not making a judgement 'pon a person simple for aspects they got no control over. it is different than racism or misogyny. nevertheless, we believe that mindless discrimination 'gainst persons simple because o' their religious beliefs is bigoted and bad. Gromnir is a bit less touchy 'bout discrimination based on acquired values. discriminate 'gainst willful ignorant individual is ok by us. discriminate 'gainst a person who can't distinguish their/there/they're is also striking us as fair. so if somebody wanna discriminate 'gainst an individual who has not taken Jesus or Odin or Ganesha into their heart, perhaps they got just as much o' a basis to do so as does Gromnir to discriminate against people who didn't get at least 1350 on their sat (old score). that makes us an elitist snob and we is ok with that.

 

keep in mind that English is weird and "discrimination" is having complex nuances o' meaning. discrimination that is bad is requiring us to treat unfairly 'cause o' categorical labeling. we discriminate 'gainst you personally based on personal qualities and not 'cause o' broad categories and it ain't evil and prejudicial discrimination.

 

regardless all this is beside the point-- not make hypo-girl less racist if you happen to know some religious bigots in south africa. and whether hypo girl is racist or shallow or whatever not make gaider any more misogynistic.

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited July 2, 2014 by Gromnir

[Vaeliorin]

Also, did you know that the black guy from ME2 can't be your boyfriend in ME3 because he's got tired of waiting and started cheating with someone else, then found himself another woman and got a kid with her? I mean don't we get enough of this **** in real life? xD

Did you know that the other romantic interest DIES? Just read it and can't stop laughing. Gaider really hates on women.

Can I point how especially amusing I find this given that David Gaider did zero writing for Mass Effect?

 

 

so if somebody wanna discriminate 'gainst an individual who has not taken Jesus or Odin or Ganesha into their heart, perhaps they got just as much o' a basis to do so as does Gromnir to discriminate against people who didn't get at least 1350 on their sat (old score).

Is it wrong that I'm happy I pass?

[Bester]

 

 

 

For me if a person says that because they claim they don't find people of different races attractive that would be a lie  and racist IMO. Beauty is beauty and this is not defined by race

 

 

Do you date only because of how hot the girl is? That is kind of shallow, you know.

 

Also, to answer your previous question, I don't know what gave you the idea that I didn't like romances, cause I actually do dig them if they are well written. I guess there's a fat lonely woman inside of me somewhere. Not that any of the Bio romances are well written. I'm actually trying out a few of the romance mods for BG2 right now and "Fade" is actually okay, 6/10.

 

 

No offense but your "friend" comes across as raving homophobic racist. Even if that's not her intention. She is a paradigm of the worst type of Romance person

 

If she really is your friend what you have done is belittle her and make her look absolutely stupid, you  clearly don't respect her to post something like that. That's not how a friend treats a friend

 

Also of course you initially have to  be attracted to someone to date them? Surly in the beginning of a relationship that's a factor?

 

 

No. I actually showed her this thread and she said some people on this forum are incredibly dumb because she's had black friends when she lived abroad and she's always made fun of people with prejudices.

 

Also, she's a really kind person. She just doesn't get turned on by black people and bisexual men and there's nobody to blame, she lives a happy life. Yet in here she was called all kinds of insults, so look who's prejudiced.

 

I think it's because a lot of people in here are locked into a certain way of thinking and lack openness of mind. I don't blame them, you can't ask a dog to count to 10 just like you can't ask these people to understand things that are beyond their cultural environment which they have never left in their whole life. They think their environment is alpha and omega and that theirs is the only right way to think, while in real life there's many other sorts of realities.

 

I lived in many countries and speak many languages, so I guess I'm more privileged than they are. We're just on completely different levels here. Le sigh.

Edited July 2, 2014 by Bester