Anni Dewani Murder

[BruceVC]

So this has been a really interesting story and development. I know most of you probably haven't even heard of Anni Dewani but if you like stories of crime and justice I would suggest you read the timeline link below to get familiar with the story so far

 

http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-bristol-13226067

 

 

In summary in 2010 a UK  honeymoon couple on holiday in South Africa became a victim of our terrible crime rate, well that's how it initially appeared. The Dewani couple were visiting a black township near Cape Town when the car they were using was hijacked. And the beautiful wife of the man was  murdered while he was left alive in the car

 

This obviously created bad publicity for South Africa for a number of reasons, one of them being the utterly cruel and callous nature of the crime. " Imagine your wife getting killed in front of you while you are on your honeymoon. What type of people would perpetuate such a deed"

 

The husband, Shrien Dewani, returned to the UK distraught and upset and the South African police started investigating. Within a few weeks several suspects were arrested and an interesting aspect to the murder emerged. Evidence and testimony by the killers revealed that in fact they were hired by Shrien Dewani to kill his own wife and he wanted to make the murder of his wife to appear like it was another example of violent crime in South Africa

 

South Africa immediately applied for extradition of Shrien to answer many questions. For the last 3 years he has been using every trick in the book to avoid extradition. He claims he is deeply depressed, the jails in South Africa aren't safe and he won't get a fair trail in South Africa

 

But despite his best efforts he finally arrived in South Africa  this week to face the charges against him

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2599621/Shrien-Dewani-arrives-court-South-Africa-extradited-private-jet-face-charges-new-bride-murdered-honeymoon.html

 

For me this is real justice. He thought he could come to a country that had an ineffective justice system or an ineffectual police force and plan a reprehensible and egregious murder. He obviously has absolute disdain for the idea that "he somehow may have been caught by the ignorant South African authorities"

 

But what bothers me the most is what type of person can live with himself after planning a honeymoon with his wife but then arranging  her murder and letting her get killed in front of him. He then drove around with the killers and his dead wife for about 30 minutes until he was dropped off.

 

The scales of justice may appear to move slowly, but in most cases they do eventually move

 

 

 

 

[Monte Carlo]

* shrugs *

 

Anyone watching the Pistorius trial would see that SA has an efficient, first-world judicial set-up.

 

I can't comment on the quality of policing, lawyers or pre-legal casework, but simply watching what's going on in court gives you the impression that proceedings are fair and of a high standard.

[BruceVC]

* shrugs *

 

Anyone watching the Pistorius trial would see that SA has an efficient, first-world judicial set-up.

 

I can't comment on the quality of policing, lawyers or pre-legal casework, but simply watching what's going on in court gives you the impression that proceedings are fair and of a high standard.

 

The problem we face is the inconsistency with our legal system, in some cases the police and the judicial system are effective and in other cases the ball really gets dropped. We get criminals from international syndicates who choose to make there home in South Africa thinking they will get an easy ride. But that's not always the case.

 

On another point, am I the only person who is tired of the Pistorius trial. I suppose I can understand the interest within South Africa but all the international news channels, except Al-Jazeera , seem to show large parts of the trial. I am surprised people consider this worthy international news ?

[JadedWolf]

Okay, not trying to be insensitive here, but that actually reminds me of a Law and Order episode. I believe the episode was called Gaijin. A Japanese couple goes on  vacation to New York. The wife gets shot, and the husband is very vocally blaming New York for being an unsafe and violent city. In the end it turns out the husband himself paid for a hired killer to shoot her. And he specifically went to New York so he could make it believable that it was random violence. Which makes me wonder, did this guy see that episode?

 

In any case, glad that he was found out and hope he spends the rest of his life behind bars. Sadly, that's probably not likely if sentences over there are anything like over here.

[BruceVC]

Okay, not trying to be insensitive here, but that actually reminds me of a Law and Order episode. I believe the episode was called Gaijin. A Japanese couple goes on  vacation to New York. The wife gets shot, and the husband is very vocally blaming New York for being an unsafe and violent city. In the end it turns out the husband himself paid for a hired killer to shoot her. And he specifically went to New York so he could make it believable that it was random violence. Which makes me wonder, did this guy see that episode?

 

In any case, glad that he was found out and hope he spends the rest of his life behind bars. Sadly, that's probably not likely if sentences over there are anything like over here.

 

No you right, the planning of the murder seems almost clichéd. If he is found guilty, and all the evidence indicates that, he will probably end up in a mental asylum for criminals. But you never know he may make a miraculous recovery around his mental state and end up in a normal prison. But either way incarceration in South Africa isn't a picnic.

[Walsingham]

I simply refuse to track cases like this because I find them distasteful, and I don't think there's much I could possibly add to what is going on in a public court.

 

If he had her killed then all we've learned is that sociopaths exist. Which we already know.

 

If he didn't have her killed then all we know is that South African townships have a serious crime problem. Which we already know.

 

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However, since we're having a kickabout on the topic:

 

- I can easily believe that some halfwit who hijacks tourists would claim he'd been hired by the husband to kill his wife. Under the impression that he can use cooperation as leverage.

- £1500 is very little money even by international murdering standards

 

BUT

 

- Why the hell would you shoot the wife and not the husband? - Because he is paying you

- Why the hell would you drive around with a body in the car and not drop it off somewhere else? - Because the whole point is that she shouldn't just disappear or suspicion falls on the husband, or worse it attracts some heavy duty invetsigation which is entirely unwelcome

- The husband's gaming of the system seems consistent to me with a borderline sociopath

[Lexx]

Damn, she was hot.

 

 

So what exactly would the husband now have gained from killing his wife? Or was it done "just because"?

[Meshugger]

How does one get a hold of contract killers in a foreign country? Is it that easy in SA?

[BruceVC]

Damn, she was hot.

 

 

So what exactly would the husband now have gained from killing his wife? Or was it done "just because"?

 

Yeah she was hot, very hot.

 

But you have asked a good question..."why did he do it" ?

 

So there are some theories, the one that makes the most sense is he needed a way out of the marriage but he also needed her considerable wealth. But of course this is speculation. We may never know the truth

[BruceVC]

How does one get a hold of contract killers in a foreign country? Is it that easy in SA?

 

To be fair these weren't professional killers, just people who were prepared to kill someone for  £1500. And yes you would find people prepared to do it in SA for that price, not many but some but they won't be very efficient or thoughtful about the job. As you can see from this murder

[Valsuelm]

Most of you guys are assuming he's guilty.... bad move. If he's innocent, the level of hell he's going through....

[Meshugger]

 

How does one get a hold of contract killers in a foreign country? Is it that easy in SA?

 

To be fair these weren't professional killers, just people who were prepared to kill someone for  £1500. And yes you would find people prepared to do it in SA for that price, not many but some but they won't be very efficient or thoughtful about the job. As you can see from this murder

 

 

So you can walk around in a city in SA and find these kinds of people? yikes! 

[Volourn]

How  do they 'know' he did it? Did the killers tell the authorities he hired them? If that's the 'evidence', wow, tlak abiout grasping at straws. Taking the words of murderers is dumb.

 

That said, if he did do it, what a scumbag.

[Tale]

I'm going with innocent until proven guilty.

 

But it's a fascinating story nonetheless. And reprehensible if true. There are people out there who put my belief that all incarceration should serve rehabilitation to the test.

[213374U]

- £1500 is very little money even by international murdering standards

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- The husband's gaming of the system seems consistent to me with a borderline sociopath

 

A cheap sociopath. As the old adage goes, "you get what you pay for".

[Malcador]

Seems like one poorly thought out plan. I am not surprised he went for discount murder, though.

[Walsingham]

Well, like I said, people do get murdered in SA. It's just that one would expect them to shoot the husband, rape then murder the wife, and not forget to steal her jewellery.

 

Hold on...

 

I don't suppose the guy could have said something about killing his wife as a joke, and then the organiser actually carries it out. They ride around for a while arguing, the husband eventually agrees to go along with it because what does he have to lose other than maybe getting shot himself. Realises he's onto a winner, and legs it.

[Wrath of Dagon]

I remember there was a similar case in US may be a decade ago, may be more. Except in that case I think the husband did it himself, then claimed they were attacked by criminals.