Support the Ban Bossy campaign

[BruceVC]

http://banbossy.com/

 

Take a look guys, I think this is another important step in achieving equality for women and for ensuring that young girls can reach there full potential through being confidant about becoming leaders

 

 

I hope many of you support this initiative

[213374U]

So "banning words" is going to help equality somehow? That sounds rather like crimethink.

 

Maybe the "initiative" is about something else entirely, but after a quick glance I couldn't tell.

[Malcador]

Nope, I will keep using the term bossy.  Not too sure on the initial assumption of this, either. 

[Amentep]

The word isn't the problem.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I have a bossy boss who likes to boss me around to feel like a boss.

[Gfted1]

I am a little bit dumberer for reading that.

 

Note to self: Stop clicking BruceVC links.

[Malcador]

Well, the materials they have in needlessly fancy PDFs are what I expected. Advise girls to speak up in class, don't be afraid to be wrong, etc. (useful for any student, you'd think..) so meh.  The "advice" for managers isn't that goofy, though making sure women sit near the center and front in meetings is a bit so.  The parents and teachers documents are about the same - though, the activities make me shake my head (I guess I have a more jaded household where crap like that would get a laugh).

 

 

 

Good for theoretical, I suppose. 

Edited March 11, 2014 by Malcador

[Nonek]

I never liked Bruce Springsteen either, I say it's about time his music was banned.

[rjshae]

So "banning words" is going to help equality somehow? That sounds rather like crimethink.

 

Maybe the "initiative" is about something else entirely, but after a quick glance I couldn't tell.

 

Yes, eliminating words can change how people think. I just don't think it's the right way to go about it.

[Keyrock]

[aluminiumtrioxid]

I'm fully behind the idea, but this execution is... suboptimal, to say the least.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I never liked Bruce Springsteen either, I say it's about time his music was banned.

Listening to Born in the USA is awkward for non-Americans.

[Keyrock]

I'm fully behind the idea, but this execution is... suboptimal, to say the least.

Agreed.  They're attacking a label.  Even if they manage to 'ban' the label it will solve nothing since it doesn't address the underlying problem.  A different label will simply get used.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Keyrock

[BruceVC]

Guys I get some you think this particular initiative is lacking, I also don't think it is that effectively marketed through the website. But don't let this detract from the message. This is about visibility and by supporting the message you increase visibility. So you may ask "what is the message". For me its about young girls believing that they can achieve anything they want, this is something we should all support?

 

Here are some articles from the website around how young girls are doing great things in the world

 

http://banbossy.com/things-we-love/

[BruceVC]

The word isn't the problem.

 

Once again its not about the word but what the word symbolizes around this campaign.

[Amentep]

The word isn't the problem.

 

Once again its not about the word but what the word symbolizes around this campaign.

 

The campaign is about the word.

 

Oh they have other stuff too, don't get me wrong (some of it a bit of a headscratcher to me), but they wouldn't target the word if it wasn't about the word.

 

But as you say, the word is a symbol (and not really a symbol of what they say - a bossy person is a bossy person and has never to my mind indicated gender) and the problem isn't the word or really what it means and in that sense I think they're terribly misguided in their approach. 

 

Like many social movements they attack the symptoms in the hope that they'll damage the root cause when they should be attacking the root cause which will render the symptoms meaningless.

 

IMO.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Amentep

[Volourn]

What a stupid asanine campaign. It's evil plain and simple. It's all about power and control. They are wannabe slavers the scumbags.

[Monte Carlo]

Bruce, you are the fluffiest, cuddliest fascist I've ever encountered.

[Hurlshort]

This is stupid.

 

 

I'd say it is more important to just ignore gender as much as possible.  I've seen just as many articles about not calling your boy tough.  

 

I'd rather just call my kids tough when they are tough, and bossy when they are bossy, regardless of whether it is my son or daughter.  When they are a leader, that's great.  There is a big difference between being a leader and being bossy.

[BruceVC]

 

The word isn't the problem.

 

Once again its not about the word but what the word symbolizes around this campaign.

 

The campaign is about the word.

 

Oh they have other stuff too, don't get me wrong (some of it a bit of a headscratcher to me), but they wouldn't target the word if it wasn't about the word.

 

But as you say, the word is a symbol (and not really a symbol of what they say - a bossy person is a bossy person and has never to my mind indicated gender) and the problem isn't the word or really what it means and in that sense I think they're terribly misguided in their approach. 

 

Like many social movements they attack the symptoms in the hope that they'll damage the root cause when they should be attacking the root cause which will render the symptoms meaningless.

 

IMO.

 

 

You make some good points, but for me banning the word is not the real point of the website. There are much more relevant points made on the website to allow young women to become future leaders. Please read this link, and read it properly if you don't mind, and you'll see there is not much reference to actually banning the word

 

http://banbossy.com/wp-content/themes/leanin/ui/microsite/ban-bossy/resources/Ban_Bossy_Leadership_Tips_for_parents.pdf?v=1&77f96d

[BruceVC]

This is stupid.

 

 

I'd say it is more important to just ignore gender as much as possible.  I've seen just as many articles about not calling your boy tough.  

 

I'd rather just call my kids tough when they are tough, and bossy when they are bossy, regardless of whether it is my son or daughter.  When they are a leader, that's great.  There is a big difference between being a leader and being bossy.

 

Please read the link above in my post, I think you have completely missed the main points of the website

[Volourn]

Don't read it. It's an evil, bossy, insulting, cruel, and Nazi wannabe website. Yeah, I went there. It's about power and control.

[Hurlshort]

 

This is stupid.

 

 

I'd say it is more important to just ignore gender as much as possible.  I've seen just as many articles about not calling your boy tough.  

 

I'd rather just call my kids tough when they are tough, and bossy when they are bossy, regardless of whether it is my son or daughter.  When they are a leader, that's great.  There is a big difference between being a leader and being bossy.

 

Please read the link above in my post, I think you have completely missed the main points of the website

 

 

I read it.  I think there are better programs out there to help encourage female leadership, like the Girl Scouts.  I know there are a sponser, but it is still a silly campaign.

Edited March 11, 2014 by Hurlshot

[Malcador]

Always wonder at how effective these "empowerment" things are. 

[rjshae]

 

So "banning words" is going to help equality somehow? That sounds rather like crimethink.

 

Maybe the "initiative" is about something else entirely, but after a quick glance I couldn't tell.

 

Yes, eliminating words can change how people think. I just don't think it's the right way to go about it.

 

5 examples of how the languages we speak can affect the way we think.