Update #71: The Heavy Hitters: Rogues and Rangers

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Alright. You, yourself, acknowledged that in addition to Role playing, an RPG requires rules/challenges. Now, what separates an RPG's Rules/challenges from a Sports game's rules/challenges (like Madden, or NBA2k13), or an Adventure game's (like Tomb Raider, or Longest Journey) is that in an RPG, the rewards for overcoming the Challenges IS manifested in the advancement/leveling of the protagonist, instead of just an advancement of the story/game itself.

That doesn't prove anything. There is nothing in Role-Playing Game that is intrinsically tied to an advancement mechanic.

 

Your explanation is the equivalent to saying "God exists, because the Bible says so".

 

LOL Bioware's recent releases aside, what Role are you playing in NBA2K13's Career Mode? What exactly are you doing besides controlling a team or a player?

You create the player, teammates react to how you play, have to choose endorsements, have C&C talks with the GM.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I had to look up to find out what sort of game NBA 2K13 is. It sounded like any other sports game. I thought some of the bugs were funny.

 

* Individual player stat's suddenly (mid-season), stop increasing in Association Mode when running running development drills.

* The scoreboard disappearing mid-game. (Tough neighbourhood! Okay, who stole the scoreboard?  )

[Stun]

That doesn't prove anything. There is nothing in Role-Playing Game that is intrinsically tied to an advancement mechanic.

Challenges (what you admitted must be in a role playing game) IS tied to an advancement mechanic, Kaine. Intrinsically, even. Can't have a role playing game without it. But you can have an adventure game without it.

 

Your explanation is the equivalent to saying "God exists, because the Bible says so".

No. What I'm saying does not contain an iota of faith.

 

This whole conversation is more like this:

 

Me: "before water can be considered frozen, its temperature must be at least 32 degrees or lower."

You: "Prove it!"

Me: "Fine, show me Frozen water with a temperature higher than 32 degrees."

You: "I don't have to. My definition of 'Frozen water" does not require it! You're a Retard!"

 

 

 

 

LOL Bioware's recent releases aside, what Role are you playing in NBA2K13's Career Mode? What exactly are you doing besides controlling a team or a player?

You create the player, teammates react to how you play, have to choose endorsements, have C&C talks with the GM.

 

Interesting. If you successfully play that character, and win games with him, Do his stats increase? Edited February 9, 2014 by Stun

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I don't think sports sims are rpgs. Otherwise you would have games like Football Manager as a rpg which it's not. Simulation games are another genre which includes sports sims, flight sims, train sims, etc.

[Cubiq]

Back on the thread's tracks guys.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Challenges (what you admitted must be in a role playing game) IS tied to an advancement mechanic, Kaine. Intrinsically, even. Can't have a role playing game without it. But you can have an adventure game without it.

Challenges are not tied to an advancement mechanic at all. You can have challenges without advancement mechanics.

 

No. What I'm saying does not contain an iota of faith.

 

This whole conversation is more like this:

 

Me: "before water can be considered frozen, its temperature must be at least 32 degrees or lower."

You: "Prove it!"

Me: "Fine, show me Frozen water with a temperature higher than 32 degrees."

You: "I don't have to. My definition of 'Frozen water" does not require it! You're a Retard!"

Except that it isn't how it went at all.

 

Here is how it went:

 

Me: All a role-playing game needs to be a role-playing game is to be a game with role-playing.

 

You: No, it needs an advancement mechanic.

 

Me: An advancement mechanic is not required of either role-playing or game, so it isn't required for a role-paying game.

 

You: Yes it does, because Role-Playing Games have advancement mechanics.

 

Interesting. If you successfully play that character, and win games with him, Do his stats increase?

No, you can buy clothes and stuff.

Edited February 10, 2014 by KaineParker

[JFSOCC]

oh is this fight still going? *backs away from thread*

[Stun]

 

Challenges (what you admitted must be in a role playing game) IS tied to an advancement mechanic, Kaine. Intrinsically, even. Can't have a role playing game without it. But you can have an adventure game without it.

Challenges are not tied to an advancement mechanic at all. You can have challenges without advancement mechanics.

 

Not in an RPG, no.

 

 

 

 

Here is how it went:

 

Me: All a role-playing game needs to be a role-playing game is to be a game with role-playing.

 

You: No, it Also needs an advancement mechanic.

 

Me: An advancement mechanic is not required of either role-playing or game, so it isn't required for a role-paying game.

 

You: Yes it does, because Role-Playing Games have both advancement mechanics and Role playing.

Fixed. You were actually pretty close though.

 

 

Interesting. If you successfully play that character, and win games with him, Do his stats increase?

No, you can buy clothes and stuff.

 

You sure? So stat increases only happen in Association mode?

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Not in an RPG, no.

 

Here is how it went:

 

Me: All a role-playing game needs to be a role-playing game is to be a game with role-playing.

 

You: No, it Also needs an advancement mechanic.

 

Me: An advancement mechanic is not required of either role-playing or game, so it isn't required for a role-paying game.

 

You: Yes it does, because Role-Playing Games have both advancement mechanics and Role playing.

Fixed. You were actually pretty close though.

 

I'm coming from this using the definitions of Role-playing and Game, you're coming from a correlation=causation direction.

 

It's obvious that neither of us will concede, so this back and forth is a waste of time.

 

You sure? So stat increases only happen in Association mode?

It has been a while, so no.

 

Regardless, it meets the criteria of allowing Role-Playing, thus being a Role-Playing Game.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Well you do have pnp rpg's like Doctor Who where there's no levels and no xp and you roleplay the characters. It's even called a roleplaying game. There is no story and it's up to the DM and the players. Unfortunately, they seem to get turned into action or adventure video games other than rpgs.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Well you do have pnp rpg's like Doctor Who where there's no levels and no xp and you roleplay the characters. It's even called a roleplaying game. There is no story and it's up to the DM and the players. Unfortunately, they seem to get turned into action or adventure video games other than rpgs.

Could you link to a rulebook? I've been wanting to try a good Who PNP for quite a while.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Cubicle 7 has done one recently.

http://www.cubicle7.co.uk/our-games/doctor-who-aitas/

[Ffordesoon]

Here, I will give you the definition of an RPG: if the developer says it's an RPG, it's an RPG.

 

Now can we stop with this garbage?

[Silent Winter]

I get what both of you are saying - can I try one?
RPG - a game with roleplaying.

CRPG - a computer rpg - a game-type that has, historically, included some form of advancement mechanic, usually levels or 'skill-points' to upgrade your character(s).

 

Irrespective of the technical definitions, I think we're all expecting both with PoE and would be quite miffed if we didn't get both.

 

If someone wants to make a different rpg with no levelling/advancement mechanic, I'll give it a look.

[rjshae]

Isn't a levelling mechanic just a simulation of a character gaining in knowledge over time? What's the big fuss? Another futile argument on the nature of role-playing games.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Thanks for contributing to the futile argument.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Cubicle 7 has done one recently.

http://www.cubicle7.co.uk/our-games/doctor-who-aitas/

Hmm, will have to order that when I have the money and the time.

[Knight117]

Will the Ranger Companions have any effect on storylines? Or will it just be a cookie-cutter assistant to the Ranger?

[Lephys]

Will the Ranger Companions have any effect on storylines? Or will it just be a cookie-cutter assistant to the Ranger?

I hope so. At the very least, I'm hoping for some different reactions/options from the presence of a Ranger pet in the party versus the absence of one. Different stuff for different animals (or different animal companion development choices, etc.) would be cool, but just having some modicum of effects from an animal companion in given situations, as compared to none at all, would be pretty great.

[Scottfree6000]

So! I can expect mob rulers update tomorrow?    

[GoranTg]

Here is your close ranged archer:

 

[Metabot]

THAT is pretty damn awesome.

[Pyrrhic]

I really want to see Druids, I love nature casters. 

[Fashion Mage]

I really want to see Priests. >.>

There's so much vagueness surrounding them. Are they heavily armored clerics, squishy white mages, or can they just be built either way (hoping for the latter)? and just how exactly do their abilities work lorewise?

Edited February 11, 2014 by Fashion Mage

[rdmcnz]

Thanks GoranTg for that archery video - stunning and inspirational stuff!!

Mindblowing in fact - Wow!!!