Nelson Mandela, dead at 95

[Cultist]

Good riddance. Bastard should've been hanged.

[BruceVC]

Good riddance. Bastard should've been hanged.

 

Cultist I know you'll battle with this concept but some jokes are just not appropriate.

[Cultist]

Cultist I know you'll battle with this concept but some jokes are just not appropriate.

Oh, i am not joking. He is a man who have done everything for ruination of his country. He succeeded.

[Kroney]

 

Good riddance. Bastard should've been hanged.

 

Cultist I know you'll battle with this concept but some jokes are just not appropriate.

 

 

Not that I'm saying I agree with him, because I believe Mandela's later work far outweighs the methods he used in his early life, but one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

[BruceVC]

 

Cultist I know you'll battle with this concept but some jokes are just not appropriate.

Oh, i am not joking. He is a man who have done everything for ruination of his country. He succeeded.

 

 

Maybe you can remind me what he has done that has ruined South Africa?

[BruceVC]

 

 

Good riddance. Bastard should've been hanged.

 

Cultist I know you'll battle with this concept but some jokes are just not appropriate.

 

 

Not that I'm saying I agree with him, because I believe Mandela's later work far outweighs the methods he used in his early life, but one man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

 

 

Yes you can argue that he was a terrorist in the same way that the French resistance were terrorists when they opposed the Nazi's as the Nazi's were the "rulers" of France for a time. But no-one takes that seriously as Mandela fought against an inhuman and draconian government that believed in a system that was based on racial discrimination

[Cultist]

Maybe you can remind me what he has done that has ruined South Africa?

I am not here to educate you with walls of text or graphs. I stated my opinion.

[BruceVC]

 

Maybe you can remind me what he has done that has ruined South Africa?

I am not here to educate you with walls of text or graphs. I stated my opinion.

 

 

I thought that would your response. I get it though, its difficult to make a point when you don't know the facts

[Malcador]

But the good outweighs the bad in South Africa and I am confidant we can resolve this issues as time goes on

 

 

Heh, right.

[Blarghagh]

I'm getting the feeling that his cop-out answer is more because his actual reasons are probably against the forum's terms of service to post.

[Cultist]

No, I am just not interested in wasting time proving some point on a forum.

[BruceVC]

No, I am just not interested in wasting time proving some point on a forum.

So basically you are objecting to the purpose and reason that we have forums? Because a forum exists for discussion and debate. Cultist you won't be wasting anyone's time, I'm sure many people are keen to get your insight in this matter. And if you are correct I will acknowledge it.

[Malcador]

No, I am just not interested in wasting time proving some point on a forum.

 

And mainly wasted as, really, their minds are made up (despite whatever crap BruceVC wil say).

[melkathi]

Bruce, leave it. This thread was meant to pay tribute to a great man, not to argue with internet fascists. This forum has a couple of them. Don't let them hijack the thread, just put them on ignore.

And remember, even in death, Mandela has more impact than his opponents will ever have.

[BruceVC]

 

No, I am just not interested in wasting time proving some point on a forum.

 

And mainly wasted as, really, their minds are made up (despite whatever crap BruceVC wil say).

 

 

    Oh Malc you are being such a naughty boy today, I have a good mind to tell your parents who will then send you to your room with no dessert tonight !!!

 

And for the record if someone makes a point that is valid I will accept it. I am not intransigent

 

 

Bruce, leave it. This thread was meant to pay tribute to a great man, not to argue with internet fascists. This forum has a couple of them. Don't let them hijack the thread, just put them on ignore.

And remember, even in death, Mandela has more impact than his opponents will ever have.

 

You right, I'm not going to argue anymore on this thread. Thx for the reminder

[Kroney]

Anyway, Nelson Mandela did a lot of great work to try to improve the lot of people in South Africa. It's a shame that the people who followed him haven't picked up the baton. I have only ever personally met a few South Africans, all white, and their attitudes were breath-taking. I truly hope they're a dying breed.

[Cultist]

 

So basically you are objecting to the purpose and reason that we have forums? Because a forum exists for discussion and debate. Cultist you won't be wasting anyone's time, I'm sure many people are keen to get your insight in this matter. And if you are correct I will acknowledge it.

Don't be silly and twist my words. Because forums exist for discussion and debate I am not obliged to participate in each and every discussion. I'll be wasting my time. On a not entertaining discussion. I already stated my opinion but going into details will 1) Get me banned, and, more importantly, 2) is boring for me.

[BruceVC]

Anyway, Nelson Mandela did a lot of great work to try to improve the lot of people in South Africa. It's a shame that the people who followed him haven't picked up the baton. I have only ever personally met a few South Africans, all white, and their attitudes were breath-taking. I truly hope they're a dying breed.

 

Well I hope I can change that perspective that not all white south Africans are that bad

[Kroney]

 

Anyway, Nelson Mandela did a lot of great work to try to improve the lot of people in South Africa. It's a shame that the people who followed him haven't picked up the baton. I have only ever personally met a few South Africans, all white, and their attitudes were breath-taking. I truly hope they're a dying breed.

 

Well I hope I can change that perspective that not all white south Africans are that bad

 

 

I'm sure they weren't representative though, I should warn you, there's a song.

[BruceVC]

 

 

Anyway, Nelson Mandela did a lot of great work to try to improve the lot of people in South Africa. It's a shame that the people who followed him haven't picked up the baton. I have only ever personally met a few South Africans, all white, and their attitudes were breath-taking. I truly hope they're a dying breed.

 

Well I hope I can change that perspective that not all white south Africans are that bad

 

 

I'm sure they weren't representative though, I should warn you, there's a song.

 

 

A song?

 

There are basically two types of South Africans who chose to immigrate. One group when apartheid ended believed that a black government could never run a country and didn't want to be part of rebuilding of the country. The other group immigrated because they felt unsafe in the new South Africa and wanted to live in a country where there was better security because we do have a relatively high crime rate. I guarantee you that you met the former group, they would have complained a lot and been very racist and derogatory.

[Guard Dog]

If you guys ever get a chance please read the book "Playing the Enemy" by John Carlin. It is based around the 1995 Rugby World Cup but it is really a book about Mandela and how he found sports to be a way to build bridges between two different societies. The movie Invictus touched on it a little bit but the book is much better and goes into much greater detail.

 

I know many books have been written about him but I found that one to be the best for the folks with a casual interest in him and the end of apartheid.

[Malcador]

One good thing about national-teams, they bring people together - will be seeing all this mindless flag waving here come Sochi

[Kroney]

 

A song?

 

There are basically two types of South Africans who chose to immigrate. One group when apartheid ended believed that a black government could never run a country and didn't want to be part of rebuilding of the country. The other group immigrated because they felt unsafe in the new South Africa and wanted to live in a country where there was better security because we do have a relatively high crime rate. I guarantee you that you met the former group, they would have complained a lot and been very racist and derogatory.

 

 

Yeah, I won't repeat what they said. They seemed shocked their views weren't shared.

[Walsingham]

 

 

So basically you are objecting to the purpose and reason that we have forums? Because a forum exists for discussion and debate. Cultist you won't be wasting anyone's time, I'm sure many people are keen to get your insight in this matter. And if you are correct I will acknowledge it.

Don't be silly and twist my words. Because forums exist for discussion and debate I am not obliged to participate in each and every discussion. I'll be wasting my time. On a not entertaining discussion. I already stated my opinion but going into details will 1) Get me banned, and, more importantly, 2) is boring for me.

 

 

I love how people who never saw the farcical abysmal mess that was apartheid South Africa seem to think it was great and 'living' proof that black people are somehow better off under white control. 

 

Utter balls.

[HoonDing]

RIP