My Rome: Total War 2 review

[obyknven]

"Rest of Europe" in all my posts as being the ones who were culturally and technologically ahead of Russia?

But you don't show your proofs for this statement.

 

With Britains Empire being an example of that and how other European cultures that dominated the entire rest of the world without the Russian culture getting outside it's own borders (effectively).

With Russian Empire being an example of that and how other Eurasian cultures that dominated the entire rest of the world without the British culture getting outside it's own borders (effectively).

 

 

Actually British Empire had been retarded, primarily agrarian despoty with non-educated, medieval populace -  If consider British Empire not only as Buckingham Palace, but include all British territories.

[Calax]

 

 

"Rest of Europe" in all my posts as being the ones who were culturally and technologically ahead of Russia?

But you don't show your proofs for this statement.

you did that for me skippy.

 

With Britains Empire being an example of that and how other European cultures that dominated the entire rest of the world without the Russian culture getting outside it's own borders (effectively).

With Russian Empire being an example of that and how other Eurasian cultures that dominated the entire rest of the world without the British culture getting outside it's own borders (effectively).

 

Actually British Empire had been retarded, primarily agrarian despoty with non-educated, medieval populace - If consider British Empire not only as Buckingham Palace, but include all British territories.

And yet you don't see people pining to be Russian boyars, tsars or commies. They all want to be kings, knights, and Templars. Both for good and for bad. And there's a reason that everyone has English accents to be representative of the upper classes. I mean you could argue that japan, circa 1886, had succeeded better than Russia at "keeping foreign culture out" but were so far behind that they barely understood repeating rifles and proper cannons.

 

And technically Russia was built into a regional power by idolizing the west. Peter the great set up St. Petersburg deliberately as a western city and was constructing an upper level of schools by actively recruiting German, French, Dutch, and British scientists to teach his possible intellectuals how to be properly scientific. At the same time most of the scientific and technological advances came from the west and very slowly trickled east.

 

So, beta patch three looks like it'll be fantastic. But there is an issue with it where there are armies/units that will cause you to ctd if they get into a directly controlled fight. But the radius mod makes things much better, and the 2 turns per year makes things much more rewarding because it keeps your generals and agents around for much much longer.

[JFSOCC]

Actually the British empire was a lot larger than shown on that image, anyway.

[Hurlshort]

Well, Russia did have some stuff going on in Alaska  

[Gorth]

Russian settlers and fishermen could be found all the way down to northern California. Just imagine Gorod Angelov (google translate) instead of Los Angeles

 

But that is a bit off topic. Never got into the total war games since RTS isn't my kind of action game. Not even with a "historical" flavour. Now I have a sudden craving for Europa Universalis: Rome.

[Calax]

Technically you don't need to RTS anything.... it's just that you can easily win over the AI opponent when the game says you'd lose sometimes.

[Leferd]

Plus technically it is a turn based strategy game with a real time tactical component.

[Gorth]

Exactly. As soon as I see the r*** t*** two word combo, I go "lalalalaa!" hear no evil, see no evil. A pox upon Westwood Studios for releasing this plague on the gaming world in 1992

 

If it had been completely optional without detrimental effects of never doing that part, then maybe... just maybe.

[HoonDing]

This thread keeps on giving.

[Nonek]

A leading English professor explains the subject of nationhood succinctly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1CS1cUIxBVg

[obyknven]

 

 

And yet you don't see people pining to be Russian boyars, tsars or commies. .

O'RLY

 

 

 

http://youtu.be/4DZOM8jwy_w

 

 

 

 

They all want to be kings, knights, and Templars. Both for good and for bad

No-no. Knights are too dirty.

And there's a reason that everyone has English accents to be representative of the upper classes.

Maybe only in tiny Britain.

 

 

And technically Russia was built into a regional power by idolizing the west. Peter the great set up St. Petersburg deliberately as a western city and was constructing an upper level of schools by actively recruiting German, French, Dutch, and British scientists to teach his possible intellectuals how to be properly scientific. At the same time most of the scientific and technological advances came from the west and very slowly trickled east.

Russia of Peter of Great yet causing butthurt for you?

From 15 century Moscovian principality become one of most progressive state in the world. Russian Regular army appeared in 1550, in England regular army appeared only in 1685, Artillery as separate military branch appeared in Moscovy in 1550, firstly in world, in Europe similar field artillery appeared only in times of Gustavus Adolphus after 1611, calibre standarts and serial production of canons appeared in 1480 in Moscovy, similar thing appeared in Europe only after two centuries etc.

Best European scienists just wanted  leave own retarded states  and emigrate into high tech Russia.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Nartov

In 1718-1719 Nartov travelled to England and France and demonstrated his lathes. In his letters to Peter I, Nartov wrote that nowhere in Europe could he find lathe masters comparable to Russian ones. On his way back to Russia, he taught lathe-working to the Prussian King Friedrich Wilhelm I.

 Just for your education

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_Russian_Innovation

http://indrus.in/articles/2012/03/16/12_top_russian_inventions_that_changed_the_world_15164.html

Actually this list too short, but i fear even this short version can causing extreme bottom pain for proud European supermacist's.

[Calax]

 

 

 

 

And technically Russia was built into a regional power by idolizing the west. Peter the great set up St. Petersburg deliberately as a western city and was constructing an upper level of schools by actively recruiting German, French, Dutch, and British scientists to teach his possible intellectuals how to be properly scientific. At the same time most of the scientific and technological advances came from the west and very slowly trickled east.

Russia of Peter of Great yet causing butthurt for you?
From 15 century Moscovian principality become one of most progressive state in the world. Russian Regular army appeared in 1550, in England regular army appeared only in 1685, Artillery as separate military branch appeared in Moscovy in 1550, firstly in world, in Europe similar field artillery appeared only in times of Gustavus Adolphus after 1611, calibre standarts and serial production of canons appeared in 1480 in Moscovy, similar thing appeared in Europe only after two centuries etc.
Best European scienists just wanted  leave own retarded states  and emigrate into high tech Russia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrey_Nartov 

No actually, Peter proves my point spectacularly. He had to leave his own nation, and go to western Europe to find innovation and technology. He didn't exactly have anything to work with in Russia. And he's the one who laid down St. Petersburg in the WESTERN EUROPEAN style because he wanted to be like Western Europe and progress rather than sit in a corner and do nothing. And you know what? Nobody in Russia were as good at integrating Cannon into their armies as the Japanese were during the era. In 1660 Japan was arguably the best and most advanced nation militarily, but because A) they were on the other side of the world and B) the Shogunate just shut down any progress culturally and developmentally,they quickly fell by the way side due to their isolationist tenancies

 

And in 200 AD China was FAR more advanced than Rome in terms of military tactics and administration, but because they would end up isolating themselves and not quite understanding the world around them they fell behind by the time the Qing dynasty rolled around, which led to Mao's rise.

[obyknven]

 

No actually, Peter proves my point spectacularly. He had to leave his own nation, and go to western Europe to find innovation and technology. He didn't exactly have anything to work with in Russia. And he's the one who laid down St. Petersburg in the WESTERN EUROPEAN style because he wanted to be like Western Europe and progress rather than sit in a corner and do nothing. 

Again your wet Eurocentric fantasies.

Look at this - this is Petersburg of Peter 1

 

 

 

 

 

compare to another  typical Russian port

 

 

 

 

and now European cities from this time

 

 

 

Obviously Petersburg of Peter 1 have own Russian style of architecture instead of Western European.

 

Let's talk better about European "progressive" culture:

 

How Britt's sell ow wifes as slaves on market even in XIX century.

 

 

Or about European Witch Hunt's, when millions of European women's are burned due ignorance of society. Also explain why "progressive" European's create such "progressive" social institute as inquisition and why protestants during Reformation religious wars exterminate significant part of Europeans.

Explain also why Europeans (Germans, Britt's and others)  constantly flee into Russia from own homeland's at least from XV - XVI centuries?  

 

[JFSOCC]

I know my thread got hijacked by Oby, but it amuses me.

There's stuff I could argue, but I really don't see the point.

[Calax]

 

No actually, Peter proves my point spectacularly. He had to leave his own nation, and go to western Europe to find innovation and technology. He didn't exactly have anything to work with in Russia. And he's the one who laid down St. Petersburg in the WESTERN EUROPEAN style because he wanted to be like Western Europe and progress rather than sit in a corner and do nothing. 

Again your wet Eurocentric fantasies.

Look at this - this is Petersburg of Peter 1

Obviously Petersburg of Peter 1 have own Russian style of architecture instead of Western European.

 

 I'm sure you know what this is.

And there's my point in a nutshell.

 

And it doesn't help that Russia didn't even have a navy or shipbuilding capacity until Peter went and stole from the rest of Europe.

Let's talk better about European "progressive" culture:

 

How Britt's sell ow wifes as slaves on market even in XIX century.

Or about European Witch Hunt's, when millions of European women's are burned due ignorance of society. Also explain why "progressive" European's create such "progressive" social institute as inquisition and why protestants during Reformation religious wars exterminate significant part of Europeans.

Explain also why Europeans (Germans, Britt's and others)  constantly flee into Russia from own homeland's at least from XV - XVI centuries?  

Nice try son. But you think these things were limited to Britannia solely? At least the Kings of Europe didn't consider themselves the Savior worthy of worship, unlike the Tsars (at one point, Alexander II said that he had to negociate with Napoleon on a river to keep the sin from the "Antichrist" washing away). And then there were the Gulags, and continued serfdom (meaning that the Brits may be selling their wives in your fantasy Europe which has bombastic drums every time a single russian shows up, but the Russian civilians couldn't leave their land without recieving permission from the owner of the land).

[ShadySands]

Calax, I don't know why you bother

[Calax]

I'm a history major

[Guest Slinky]

That doesn't mean you can teach history to brick walls

[JFSOCC]

Calax, what's your area of expertise?

[Leferd]

This is pretty neat! In four parts and funded by The Creative Assembly.

 

[alanschu]

Yeah I enjoyed that series!

[Leferd]

Patch 4 beta is now live. Biggest one yet. Info here:

 

http://wiki.totalwar.com/w/Total_War_ROME_II:_Patch_4

[Calax]

Calax, what's your area of expertise?

Due to the fact that my school is pouring money into science and tech and only hitting liberal arts/humanities enough to cover the gen ed requirements?

 

I kinda shotgun the entire history department to get my degree. I've taken upper division courses in everything from the Civil Rights battles in the US to Roman Porn "poetry" involving sending forth "white force into [her] golden locks". And a history of science course that's mostly just a comparison between the East and West parts of Europe (which is where I got a lot of what I've posted here) because the guy who teaches it is a published professor in the field of Russian history.

[obyknven]

  
And it doesn't help that Russia didn't even have a navy or shipbuilding capacity until Peter went and stole from the rest of Europe.

 

How to you imagine that?  How can be possible stole  tausands of shipbuilders, sailors, navigators, gunners and many other people  for creating navy from nothing?

 

And why our historical major known nothing about Moskovy civil fleets  in Barents and Caspian seas? Or why you don't known about similarity between older Russian ships

and ships of Peter 1?

 

Anyway Peter 1 create own unique technology of shipbuilding. He also designed majority of ships for own fleet and inventi  improved false kill construction (this improwment appeared in Europe only after 140 years   ). It's not similar to "stolen".

 

Nice try son. But you think these things were limited to Britannia solely? At least the Kings of Europe didn't consider themselves the Savior worthy of worship, unlike the Tsars (at one point, Alexander II said that he had to negociate with Napoleon on a river to keep the sin from the "Antichrist" washing away).

1915, Osovets, "dead men attack". European soldiers flee because fear of Satan.

http://www.erjournal.ru/journals_n/1324195868.pdf

Progressive Europeans so progressive

 

 

 

 And then there were the Gulags, and continued serfdom (meaning that the Brits may be selling their wives in your fantasy Europe which has bombastic drums every time a single russian shows up, but the Russian civilians couldn't leave their land without recieving permission from the owner of the land).

Henry VIII of England - executed 84 000 people

Elizabeth I of England - executed above 90 000 people

Oliver Cromwell - exterminate 80 % of Irish populace

Reformation - only on last stage during Thirty Years' War

2 071 000 soldiers and above 6 000 000 civilians are killed,

populace of France reduced by 1 000 000,

populace of Chzech reduced from 2 000 000 to 700 000,

populace of Germany reduced from 17 000 000 to 10 000 000,

 

Meanwhile in Russia most evil Tsar Ivan the Terrible executed 3 000 people.

[Calax]

I can't hear you over the sound of Novgorod burning at Ivan's order.