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[Nepenthe]

 

It's funny, most people argue that they are buying a physical item analogue, and thus claim that their rights to use it shouldn't be limited in any way up until the moment they lose the discs and then start saying that because it's digital, they should replace it for free.

 

I like it, its very difficult to dispute "lawyer logic "

 

More like a nasty habit from having to dig holes into other people's logical or "logical", if you will, statements for a living.

 

I think more people should just own up that whatever they are doing is, at the very least, amoral instead of creating these complex constructions for justifying it. But I know it's a useless hope, from the way people can't accept that liking games is a subjective situation as well, and spend a lot of time making these same constructs in a futile attempt to prove that their opinion is objective reality.

 

No deception like self deception, I guess.

 

That said, personally I think I've DL'd to replace lost discs, even if in my case it tends to refer to something from floppy disc days that I couldn't replace via steam/origin/app store if I wanted. Most of the games I've bought on cds I could get from one of those places for the price of a cup of coffee in central Helsinki.

 

I try not to run around screaming about drm robbing me of my rights, though.

[mute688]

It's funny, most people argue that they are buying a physical item analogue, and thus claim that their rights to use it shouldn't be limited in any way up until the moment they lose the discs and then start saying that because it's digital, they should replace it for free.

It's also funny that most publishers argue that they are selling a service, not goods....right up until the moment you want them to act as a service provider.  Then they treat your purchase as if it was goods, not a service.

[Nepenthe]

Good point.

[LadyCrimson]

If humans always behaved logically, we'd be Vulcan instead.

[Mamoulian War]

And then maybe we would not always put profit over humanity

[Zoraptor]

 

My attitude is that if publishers are insistent that they're selling a licence rather than a product then that means that format shifting is aOK.

 

And now we have the intellectual justification for Pirating, I was wondering when someone would make a similar argument. But you are still still stealing and breaking the law, but if you sleep fine at night thats good news

 

Ah, but I didn't break the law. I downloaded a copy of something I already had the right to use for single person licensed use. I didn't make copies of it beyond that, never on sold it while retaining a copy myself and did not allow others to make copies; I never even installed it on multiple computers that I own myself. All I did was treat it exactly as what the publisher says it is, a licence to use rather than a physical good. And spend about five days downloading the thing on dial up.

 

That's the goose/ gander thing. "It's also funny that most publishers argue that they are selling a service, not goods....right up until the moment you want them to act as a service provider.  Then they treat your purchase as if it was goods, not a service" pretty much sums it up to a T. If it's a licence then it's a licence, both parties get the benefits of it being a licence as well as the negatives. You cannot have your cake and eat it too- though if you've got good lobbyists and a few pet politicians- or corporate lawyers- you can certainly try.

 

Good lord my ellipses are starting to get ridiculous.

Edited April 24, 2013 by Zoraptor

[Malcador]

And now we have the intellectual justification for Pirating, I was wondering when someone would make a similar argument. But you are still still stealing and breaking the law, but if you sleep fine at night thats good news

 

I am opposed to Pirating on any level under any circumstances, I think there is a false and trenchant sense of entitlement from many people that Pirate and I've heard every excuse for this form of theft, I once had a guy say " I Pirate because the Developers made a  bad game and by Pirating its going to teach them a lesson to make a better game "

 

The main reason people Pirate is because they can and there is no legal consequences. They choose to do it  and not pay for something that someone else has worked years  to create

Well took one of you lot long enough to mention entitlement, and I really believe that guy you quoted actually existed. In the area of cracking a game you bought whether you just don't like the DRM, too lazy to keep your disc in the drive or have lost it, what exactly is your problem with that ? You're definitely not ripping off the developer or publisher of money.

 

But the best pirating reason I've heard was for it as an extended demo, I guess all the statements in the infos work

Edited April 24, 2013 by Malcador

[BruceVC]

 

 

My attitude is that if publishers are insistent that they're selling a licence rather than a product then that means that format shifting is aOK.

 

And now we have the intellectual justification for Pirating, I was wondering when someone would make a similar argument. But you are still still stealing and breaking the law, but if you sleep fine at night thats good news

 

Ah, but I didn't break the law. I downloaded a copy of something I already had the right to use for single person licensed use. I didn't make copies of it beyond that, never on sold it while retaining a copy myself and did not allow others to make copies; I never even installed it on multiple computers that I own myself. All I did was treat it exactly as what the publisher says it is, a licence to use rather than a physical good. And spend about five days downloading the thing on dial up.

 

That's the goose/ gander thing. "It's also funny that most publishers argue that they are selling a service, not goods....right up until the moment you want them to act as a service provider.  Then they treat your purchase as if it was goods, not a service" pretty much sums it up to a T. If it's a licence then it's a licence, both parties get the benefits of it being a licence as well as the negatives. You cannot have your cake and eat it too- though if you've got good lobbyists and a few pet politicians- or corporate lawyers- you can certainly try.

 

Good lord my ellipses are starting to get ridiculous.

 

 

 

I see what you are saying, I apologize. You weren't Pirating and I can't see an issue with what you did

[BruceVC]

 

And now we have the intellectual justification for Pirating, I was wondering when someone would make a similar argument. But you are still still stealing and breaking the law, but if you sleep fine at night thats good news

 

I am opposed to Pirating on any level under any circumstances, I think there is a false and trenchant sense of entitlement from many people that Pirate and I've heard every excuse for this form of theft, I once had a guy say " I Pirate because the Developers made a  bad game and by Pirating its going to teach them a lesson to make a better game "

 

The main reason people Pirate is because they can and there is no legal consequences. They choose to do it  and not pay for something that someone else has worked years  to create

Well took one of you lot long enough to mention entitlement, and I really believe that guy you quoted actually existed. In the area of cracking a game you bought whether you just don't like the DRM, too lazy to keep your disc in the drive or have lost it, what exactly is your problem with that ? You're definitely not ripping off the developer or publisher of money.

 

But the best pirating reason I've heard was for it as an extended demo, I guess all the statements in the infos work

 

 

If you have purchased the game legally then I suppose you don't have to use the actual serial number supplied. I am not sure why anyone wouldn't want to but there may reasons like DRM as you mentioned.

I can promise you that person is real, his forum name  was Taisenki and he was a member of my old forum, Mortal Online. But he did have a very warped view of the world

Edited April 24, 2013 by BruceVC

[Nonek]

I'm often surprised by just how much the publishers get away with, I see nothing in always online, clients or excessive drm requirements that benefits me as a player, and so mostly I shun or sandbox them. If they want my business they'll have to try and get it through making their offers enticing, rather than punishing me for piracy that I have never and would never commit.

[Morgoth]

http://kotaku.com/the-next-xbox-will-be-revealed-on-may-21-479691780

 

Xbox reveal on May 21th.

[babaganoosh13]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/228300/

 

Apparently if you don't pre-order Remember Me, you lose out on some fighting moves. WTF Capcom!?!?!?

[Keyrock]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/228300/

 

Apparently if you don't pre-order Remember Me, you lose out on some fighting moves. WTF Capcom!?!?!?

I had forgotten about Remember Me.

 

[Mamoulian War]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/228300/

 

Apparently if you don't pre-order Remember Me, you lose out on some fighting moves. WTF Capcom!?!?!?

 

Why I am not surprised anymore...

 

 

Next... If you do not preorder you will have no bossfights...

[Fighter]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/228300/

 

Apparently if you don't pre-order Remember Me, you lose out on some fighting moves. WTF Capcom!?!?!?

 

The line has officially been crossed for me. I don't preorder, I buy cheaper CD keys online. So this means I'm not interested until I see the complete pack in the bargain bin.

[alanschu]

If you feel strongly enough, I'd encourage you to just skip out on the game altogether.

[Humanoid]

 

Next... If you do not preorder you will have no bossfights...

 

Odds are that's not a bad thing given recent trends.

[Nordicus]

Eeh, the main character didn't have the mega-thighs to perform Spinning Bird Kick anyway

Edited April 25, 2013 by Nordicus

[Serrano]

 

EA Partners Rumoured To Be Breaking Up

 

[Nepenthe]

 

 

Next... If you do not preorder you will have no bossfights...

 

Odds are that's not a bad thing given recent trends.

 

I was about to say the same... I'm sure a lot of people would've paid extra to miss the boss fights in DXHR... Of course, now they've come out with the WiiU version, which does pretty much that (new boss fights, more in the missing link style - with missing link also rolled into the main game). In fact. as far as platform exclusives go, I've never had anything piss me off as much as this one does...

[Raithe]

 

I was about to say the same... I'm sure a lot of people would've paid extra to miss the boss fights in DXHR... Of course, now they've come out with the WiiU version, which does pretty much that (new boss fights, more in the missing link style - with missing link also rolled into the main game). In fact. as far as platform exclusives go, I've never had anything piss me off as much as this one does...

 

 

 

Yeah, I have to admit, this one is really annoying to me as well. You'd hope that in a few months they roll an update for the pc version.. but.. I kind of doubt that.

[Mamoulian War]

Games without bossfights are same as sex without orgasm...

[Malcador]

 

Gameplay of that survival city builder game announced a while back. Looks interesting, although I wonder at what challenges you'll have to deal with - raiders, disasters, etc.

[Raithe]

Games without bossfights are same as sex without orgasm...

 

I wouldn't put it in quite that vein.

After all, there are times when you can have a really great story in a game that you're enjoying, and then you end up with some annoying as get out, grindy, nonsensical and fairly meaningless bossfight that isn't about skill, technique or character.. but about mashing a few keys repetitively to avoid the boss attacks,  while you slowly whittle down their 200k+ hit points using only specific moves because the bastard is invulnerable except in specific instances...

If orgasm was like that, people really would stop having sex..

[babaganoosh13]

I think for the next game, Capcom will also disable the Y button, unless you pre-order.

 

The game after that, the up key/on the left analog stick. You want to move up? You gotta pre-order.

Edited April 25, 2013 by babaganoosh13