obyknven Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 New APC (from private owned Russian firm). Varan 6x6 Tactical VehicleThe capabilities of the Varan 6x6 forward-fighting vehicle reflect its state-of-the-art design. Able to accommodate up to 10 personnel, the Varan's 400 horse power V6 Cummins engine gives it the power to cross the most difficult and hostile terrains, including deserts. Armoured to a full STANAG 4 level, its V-shaped hull is designed to disseminate the impact of mine blasts immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Some perspective Russian APC concepts incl. with hybrid engines. "Kurganets-lite" for airborne/marines and light(special) brigades. Only this photo of Kurganets-25 exist. Serial manufacturing of this APC has began. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted February 27, 2013 Author Share Posted February 27, 2013 Moar APC "Boomerang" APC " Kurganets-25" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 (edited) Couldn't resist Not pictured: submarine mode Edited February 27, 2013 by ShadySands 1 Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted February 27, 2013 Share Posted February 27, 2013 Could have left the tank gun off the engine intakes, that's just silly. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Looks like something the A-Team would typically build before the final confrontation near the end of an episode. The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted February 28, 2013 Share Posted February 28, 2013 Actually the way for a small group to defeat a large modern military would be to avoid direct confrontation, concentrate on small group actions against soft targets. That way they drive up the cost of the war effort by damaging logistics and by avoiding direct confrontation they deny thier opponent any large vicotries to show for the added costs. Then just wait for the political will to continue the fight to collapse. Basicly you make yourself more trouble than you're worth. That's how I'd do it. That's how you undermine the home front. I wouldn't assume it would work unless public opinion was a factor. If it can be supressed or supplanted by nationalistic fervor casualties can be absorbed indefinitely. Of course if you can successfully make yourself more trouble than you are worth the opposing side might still lose interest. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 Pretty crazy video. http://youtu.be/3LiT7N1ok8g Americans to train Polish troops. My eyes, this is terrible, especially when they constantly try kill own soldiers by friendly fire. Disorganized mob running around and shooting around in all directions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 1, 2013 Author Share Posted March 1, 2013 http://youtu.be/33TcBXCVU6w Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 2, 2013 Author Share Posted March 2, 2013 Just examples how training must looks like.http://youtu.be/x1tmfINjY1U http://youtu.be/5HJerittwhs Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted March 2, 2013 Share Posted March 2, 2013 Actually the way for a small group to defeat a large modern military would be to avoid direct confrontation, concentrate on small group actions against soft targets. That way they drive up the cost of the war effort by damaging logistics and by avoiding direct confrontation they deny thier opponent any large vicotries to show for the added costs. Then just wait for the political will to continue the fight to collapse. Basicly you make yourself more trouble than you're worth. That's how I'd do it. That's how you undermine the home front. I wouldn't assume it would work unless public opinion was a factor. If it can be supressed or supplanted by nationalistic fervor casualties can be absorbed indefinitely. Of course if you can successfully make yourself more trouble than you are worth the opposing side might still lose interest. Even if public opinion is not an issue sooner or later the guys writing the checks want to see results. If there are none... "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 Depends on whether the war is deemed to be of vital narional interest. Say it isnt an optioal land grabbimg venture or that it isnt viewed that way. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted March 3, 2013 Share Posted March 3, 2013 It's like some sort of Eastern European arms fair. But without the bikini models. "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 US military technological mad skillz "supremacy". T-90 cost: $2.77 – 4.25 million USD in 2011, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-90 M1 Abrams cost: 6.2 million USD http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/budget/fy1999/dot-e/army/99m1a2.html http://youtu.be/kAofuApy5sc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 (edited) From Steel Beasts Pro Personal Edition armour documentation - RHAe: Ammunition penetration chart from the Steel Beasts wiki: http://www.steelbeasts.com/sbwiki/index.php/Ammunition_Data For reference, the 120mm M256 is mounted on the M1A1+, the 120mm L/44 on the Leopard 2-2A5, and the 125mm 2A46 on T-64s and on. In the pure protection department, Challenger 2 currently holds the title of most well protected. However, as the British were quite adamant they retain their capacity to fire HESH rounds from their rifled 120mm guns, the British sabot suffers in penetration power compared to comparable rounds fired from smoothbores. That said, the Challenger 2's turret does have provisions to mount the Rheinmetall 120mm gun and derivatives. Edited March 4, 2013 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Propaganda. Actually even RPG-7 can hit Abrams. For example on August 28 (2003), a M1A1 in Baghdad was hit by RPG-7. http://rense.com/general44/what.htm But for brainwashed Americans this is unbelievable, they think this tank has been penetrated by Alien weapon. http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/exopolitica/esp_exopolitics_r_1_08.htm Analysis of Vulnerability http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=ru&tl=en&js=n&prev=_t&hl=ru&ie=UTF-8&eotf=1&u=http%3A%2F%2Fbtvt.narod.ru%2Fspec%2Firaq%2Fabrams_2003_demage.htm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted March 4, 2013 Share Posted March 4, 2013 Find it easier to believe documentation utilising sources both western and former Warsaw Pact for a piece of software also used by modern militaries for gunnery training and platoon to battalion level armour and mechanised infantry tactics instruction and practice. Same vulnerabilities present in the T-72B series and forward. Rear half of the side is not covered with ERA bricks, as well as a spot on the top of the turret to make way for the infra-red searchlight for the T-80U and forward. Coax ports, driver's hatch, and the turret ring are the traditional weak points of a tank, and tanks using ERA are no exception. Attached is said documentation. Be warned, it makes for incredibly dry reading, such that even a semi-hardcore simmer like myself glosses over a lot of it, especially the maths part (major in studio art). ArmorBasics.pdf Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 4, 2013 Author Share Posted March 4, 2013 Lol, do you talkiing about this "expert"? http://www.network54.com/Forum/211833/thread/1149454550/last-1149668270/Leopard+2+(+the+best+tank+in+the+world) Paul Lakowski (the guy who wrote that paper) had no explanation on how a plain vanilla RPG7 was able to penetrate the 22cm of line of sight side turret armor of a m1a2sep that it was supposed to offer 540mm of protection against HEAT ammo. You don't understand simple truth. IRL one tank have 50% possibility kill other tank. But this means certain death for tank crew in real battle, it's have bad influence to morale. Because this specification of own and enemy weapon is "corrected" - own weapon are strengthened, enemy weapon are weakened . It's propaganda for brainwash own soldiers. Real numbers are kept secret. Other reason to do this - when you produce weapon not for real combat (Cold War era examples - Leopard-2, A-10 etc), but for stealing money from budget (Abrams, F-22, F-35). Media create myth about "best in universe" tank for hide of unpleasant truth. http://youtu.be/E5Rk_erL98E Tank hit by mine. After this tank have numerous hits by RPGs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 (edited) One in a thousand incidents like that hardly impact morale, especially in the face of countless other instances of tanks like the Abrams and the Challenger enduring hellish amounts of punishment (both use 3rd generation Chobham composite armour and DU inserts). Even in the event of penetrating hits, the Abrams enjoys outstanding crew protection due to the fact that the ammunition is stowed in a separate compartment of the turret and also boasts a sophisticated fire suppression system. While it isn't an "invincible tank" (not that anyone was claiming otherwise), its fearsome reputation is quite well-deserved. As yet, you haven't provided any citable sources more valid than those by Lakowski. That said, my favourite tank is the French AMX-56 Leclerc; its got the world's most sophisticated fire control and ballistics computer, a battle-management data link giving it unparalleled situational awareness, and the latest and greatest autoloader capable of firing 12 aimed shots a minute (a machine gun in tank gun terms). Edited March 5, 2013 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOK222 Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 "Brainwashed Americans" Dude seriously, what is your hostility? Ka-ka-ka-ka-Cocaine! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valsuelm Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 "Brainwashed Americans" Dude seriously, what is your hostility? Eh. It wasn't necessarily hostile, though I don't know his intents. There are a great many brainwashed Americans, but the per capita brainwashed rate is at least as high in almost every other nation on earth as it is in the U.S., and in many places much higher. The next global spanning war will be fought with nukes, biological weapons, and other weapons we have yet to see, some of which may be arguably worse than nukes. It will also be fought conventionally, and manpower will take a much larger role than many would think. Unlike past major wars it will have few determined lines, meaning you will be unsafe almost anywhere. The sources of some of the nukes as well as other very ugly attacks on large civilian populations will be both indeterminable in some cases and false flagged in others. It will be hell on earth. And the U.S. will be very defeatable. They are very defeatable. So is NATO. And as time goes on they will become moreso if the trends of the last few decades continue as the west is pissing away it's industrial base (a crucial factor in a war). Those that could potentially do it, won't though as it will start a war that ultimately almost no one will win. More and more though it looks like that war is coming as the 'leaders' of this world are mostly made up of bought and paid for lunatics who are constantly beating the war drums. And of course the economy is collapsing almost everywhere, currency wars are already underway, and trade wars are on the horizon. All of which historically leads to hot and heavy warfare on a scale the world hasn't seen in well over a half century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 "Mighty" NATO navy. British http://defensetech.org/2012/01/31/britain-sending-air-defense-ship-to-falklands/ http://defensetech.org/2011/11/23/uk-frigate-carried-only-four-aa-missiles-to-libya/ U.S. http://www.exile.ru/articles/detail.php?ARTICLE_ID=6779 http://exiledonline.com/the-war-nerd-this-is-how-the-carriers-will-die/all/1/ http://www.wnd.com/2000/12/2254/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 5, 2013 Author Share Posted March 5, 2013 U.S. Nuclear weapon degradation http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/new-nukes?page=1 Why B-2 bomber program are rejected http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=ru&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fddr-luftwaffe.blogspot.ru%2F2008%2F01%2Fpreschener-mig-29-schiet-b-2-spirit.html in Deutsch http://ddr-luftwaffe.blogspot.ru/2008/01/preschener-mig-29-schiet-b-2-spirit.html MIG-29 moar http://rense.com/general18/russiasells.htm http://www.fas.org/spp/aircraft/part06.htm Several analysts claim stealth aircraft such as the ATF will be vulnerable to detection by infrared search and track systems (IRST). The natural heating of an aircraft's surface makes it visible to this type of system. The faster and aircraft flies, the warmer it gets, and thus, the easier to detect through infrared means. One expert asserts "if an aircraft deviates from its surroundings by only one degree centigrade, you will be able to detect it at militarily useful ranges."(4) In fact, both the Russian MiG-29 and Su-27 carry IRST devices, which indicates that the Russians have long targeted this as a potential stealth weakness.(5)... http://www.nytimes.com/1988/07/17/magazine/will-the-stealth-bomber-work.html?pagewanted=all&src=pm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Walsingham Posted March 5, 2013 Share Posted March 5, 2013 Please do continue. Rest assured this is a wonderful use of your time, and we're enthralled. 1 "It wasn't lies. It was just... bull****"." -Elwood Blues tarna's dead; processing... complete. Disappointed by Universe. RIP Hades/Sand/etc. Here's hoping your next alt has a harp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
obyknven Posted March 6, 2013 Author Share Posted March 6, 2013 http://youtu.be/KaoYz90giTk http://youtu.be/aYEgXvJ6CGc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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