First, they came for the emos, but I said nothing...

[Gfted1]

Hmm, I dont see anywhere where he called you a name. Unlike yourself and post 15. Stones and glass houses...

[Morgoth]

Cool, so such offensive speech as exhibited by the numbers man is now allowed and even defended here on these forums?

 

Note taken. This certainly will contribute a lot to the quality of debate and atmosphere here in the future.

[Guard Dog]

What is it with those Canadians always fervently defending their American masters?

 

But Afghanistan? I thought that in 2003/04 the mission was already "accomplished". Why are you guys still there? And would you vindicate invading Iran and/or Syria if Israel asks your government? You don't think this would go too far?

 

No I don't think Iran or Syria should be invaded. The only reason I could see invading Iran would be if a nuclear weapon they created were to suddenly go off in a US city. Even if it were delivered by a terrorist group, all bets are off then. But short of that, no. I was opposed to invading Iraq in 2003, I was opposed to intervening in Lybia. But. GWB never asked me what I thought so...

 

By the way, don't pick on Canadians, they'll be running things before too long: http://outfront.blog...ext-superpower/

 

Doing pretty good eh?

Edited March 14, 2012 by Guard Dog

[Tale]

Please, everyone, just stick to discussing the topic and not each other. If you can't manage that, it would be best to leave the thread altogether.

[Morgoth]

Yeah, those 34 million something happychaps are gonna make a little Anschluss someday. Maybe Alaska as a start?

[Morgoth]

Please, everyone, just stick to discussing the topic and not each other. If you can't manage that, it would be best to leave the thread altogether.

You really wanna us discuss about Emos?

[Tale]

Emos, Eskimos, Europe, or Europa. Just not each other.

[Malcador]

Cool, so such offensive speech as exhibited by the numbers man is now allowed and even defended here on these forums?

 

Note taken. This certainly will contribute a lot to the quality of debate and atmosphere here in the future.

 

Now THIS is rich.

 

As for Canada as a superpower, feh, the government here (Tories at least, they like being war hard) may have delusions about Canada's clout on the world stage but I think I will end there.

[213374U]

It's the same stupid game again. But the US is a young nation that is like a little disorientated child. Without her parents (Europe) showing her the way, they're now doing....stupid things.

 

Also, wars were fought prior the industrial revolution and the race for African colonies. Yes, there are plenty good reasons you went to war in the past, mostly due to the lack of technology that did not give people the living standards they enjoy today.

 

Arguably, the US is simply applying a modern version of the tried-and-true Roman policies of client rulers -by outright buying them out whenever they can- and a selective use of force wherever it's unavoidable or just convenient to maintain their preeminency in global matters. And they have proved even better at it than any of the old Euro empires ever were, save for the British -these favored a more hands-on approach, though- so it's preposterous to accuse them of stupidity.

 

And please, show me these "past wars" started for "good reasons". Chances they can all be broken down to a combination of stupidity, greed or envy. Anything else is just window dressing by historians.

 

 

PS: You also have been reported for name calling.

Aww... Edited March 14, 2012 by Tale
Nip it.

[Guard Dog]

[Drowsy Emperor]

Arguably, the US is simply applying a modern version of the tried-and-true Roman policies of client rulers -by outright buying them out whenever they can- and a selective use of force wherever it's unavoidable or just convenient to maintain their preeminency in global matters. And they have proved even better at it than any of the old Euro empires ever were, save for the British -these favored a more hands-on approach, though- so it's preposterous to accuse them of stupidity.

 

Quite right. Its because they erased from their political perception any and all ideologies that were such a draw for Europeans (even for the very flexible British) and distilled all interaction down to pure pragmatism, completely freed from moral, or other constraints. Ideology exists of course, but none of the real decision makers are going to be swayed by it.

Very much like the Romans.

Edited March 14, 2012 by Drowsy Emperor

[Volourn]

"other than Iraq I can't think of one"

 

Removings scumbags like Hussein from power is always a good reason. Yeah, yeah, it was far from the only reason but soemtimes the **** needs to be removed the ol fashion hard way.

[Hurlshort]

You forgot the s in scumbag. Gross.

[Gfted1]

Nah, its his typo where the first letter of the subsequent word is connected to the end of the last word.

[Volourn]

Gross indeed.

 

I'd change but these forums only allow you to edit within the first few minutes of posting. L0L

 

Now, it's stuck like that for all eternity. <>

[Meshugger]

"other than Iraq I can't think of one"

 

Removings scumbags like Hussein from power is always a good reason. Yeah, yeah, it was far from the only reason but soemtimes the **** needs to be removed the ol fashion hard way.

 

When is someone a scumbag and not? Is there a checklist? Is there moral authority that passes judgement on this, or should it be mere wielder of the highest might?

[Orogun01]

Even so I cannot believe that there is no censor for that.

[Volourn]

"When is someone a scumbag and not? Is there a checklist? Is there moral authority that passes judgement on this, or should it be mere wielder of the highest might? "

 

Who arbitrates what borders to use to determine countries?

 

Who arbitrates the difference between murder, manslaughter, and self defense killings?

 

Who aribtrates between anything?

[Hildegard]

http://www.telegraph...emo-youths.html

 

Not sure I'd call them emos. But I only have a GCE in 'Yoof'.

 

Nice to see that the fundies have their priorities straight on rebuilding their nation.

 

If they're attacking and killing emos in Iraq who's to say they won't be doing it tomorrow in our neighborhoods and towns? I vote to invade.

[obyknven]

If they're attacking and killing emos in Iraq who's to say they won't be doing it tomorrow in our neighborhoods and towns? I vote to invade.

If you're invade to Iraq who's to say you won't be doing it tomorrow in our neighborhoods and towns? I vote to nuke

[Meshugger]

"When is someone a scumbag and not? Is there a checklist? Is there moral authority that passes judgement on this, or should it be mere wielder of the highest might? "

 

Who arbitrates what borders to use to determine countries?

 

Who arbitrates the difference between murder, manslaughter, and self defense killings?

 

Who aribtrates between anything?

 

Please answer my questions first.

[Walsingham]

I love the way that the OP was about organised militias murdering peole for looking a bit gay, but within one page it was back to the usual suspects flailing away about how America is evil.

 

You people (and you know who you are) are unhealthily obsessed. There's no way it's rational. I'm amazed no-one's written it up as a pathology.